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Conference 7.286::digital

Title:The Digital way of working
Moderator:QUARK::LIONELON
Created:Fri Feb 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5321
Total number of notes:139771

4452.0. "Making something simple hard." by HAGGLE::dorian (Tim Dorian) Thu Feb 29 1996 10:19

My first note in the digital conference and of course it's to complain.

Last week my group decided that it was time for me to get pager. One of those
skytel jobs that would work all over the country. It wasn't intuitive on
how to acquire one of these things so I called a friend of mine who works out
in the field. He told me to call 1800-sky-user which I did. They in turn told
me to call the digital pager office 223-2337.

I called the pager office and of course got voice mail. After two days passed 
and no call back to me, I decided to call them again. This time a gentleman 
answered. "By the way, they never answer the phone as pager program or whatever,
just the persons name". I had to say "is this the pager office?" and they 
replied yes. I guess maybe they're embarrassed or something. Anyway, He tells 
me that I have to order my pager through VTX. I told him that I only have a 
unix account and if there was any other interface. He said no.

OK, so I use a friends VMS account and get into VTX. This brought back a lot of
bad memories, but I'll hold off on the sarcasm. I process my order which 
gets forwarded off to my cc manager, he approves, and my beeper arrives a week 
later.

The pager I ordered was alphanumeric. It came with some software that runs
under microsoft windows that through a modem can send me messages. I install
the software and it works great. I then say to myself "there must be a
WEB page out there from skytel that does this." Sure enough Altavista pulls
through and finds me this home page.

http://www.skytel.com/Paging/

Just what I'm looking for. This home page goes on to say that if you wish
to have pages submitted through this web page, I must first authorize it by
calling 1800-sky-user. THE SERVICE IS FREE AND COMES WITH ALL ALPHANUMERIC
PAGERS. The checking is done to so that the pager owner is aware that this 
service is enabled.

So I call 1800-sky-user and they tell me that they would love to enable me
but all changes even if they're FREE must go through the pager office,
223-2337. My heart sank, here we go again. I have to get approval to add
on a service that we're already paying for.

So I call 223-2337 and they answer the phone "without announcing they're the
Digital Pager office again." And they proceed to tell me that I must go in to
VTX again and do a change service on my pager and get my cc manager to send 
them off an approval. I say "don't you think this a lot to do to active
a service we're already paying for?" They're response, "this is how it's
done."

OK, So I go into VTX PAGER. I select change pager service. It goes on to ask
me my badge number, hire date MM/YY, and the last four digits of my ss#. Then
I'm thrown into another window. Here I enter in my badge number again and
my skytel pin number. After hitting PF1 ENTER it comes back and tells me that
I'm not a registered user. So OK, I call the pager office back again. They
go on to tell me that although I have my pager and it works, that I am not
registered user in THEIR system. So I say OK, register me. They say, "that
will take few days." Then they go on to say that after I do get registered
I need to go back into VTX, do the change form, Get my cc managers approval
and then they'll start to process the request. This ALL FOR SOMETHING THAT
I'M ALREADY PAYING FOR. I just want to turn on this feature so can get what
the rest of world has.

SO before I hang up with this guy I say "so how do I know when I'm in your
system? Do I just just keep trying everyday until it works?" He responds,
"Well I can notify you by mail if you want." My response, "yeah, that would
be nice."

Then I ask him who is the manager behind all of this. He hesitates and throws
out his name. I tried calling him but his voice mail says he out on vacation 
today. 

Did this program get designed form the Massachusetts Department of Motor
Vehicles? I feel like that's who I'm dealing with.

Tim Dorian
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4452.1MAASUP::LAVELLEThu Feb 29 1996 11:4310
    Just to throw gas on the fire, I wouldn't be to sure that you'll get
    country wide coverage.  A friend of mine has a Skytel pager, here in
    Greenbelt, MD., whose coverage doesn't extend 50 miles from here.
    
    Sounds like Cellular One coverage.  Put an antenna on in Washington DC,
    one in Des Moines, IA. and one in L.A. and you have country wide
    coverage.  My pager (not Skytel) has OPTIONS for statewide, regional,
    and country.  Mo Money...
    
    .02
4452.2Software!?!?NQOS01::nqsrv442.nqo.dec.com::SteveSGoin' for growth!Thu Feb 29 1996 12:1714
Sounds like you had a lot of fun!!!

BTW, two points.  My FIRST Skytel pager DID have problems in some areas (like 
my client office where I spend >1/2 my time). After I got that replaced, I've 
had VERY few (but not none) problems.

Secondly...WHAT SW CAN I GET, AND HOW, FOR WINDOWS TO SEND ME A PAGE!!! (I 
bet your going to tell me to call the laging office and use VTX :-)  I would 
love to have my voicemessaging system (on a PC) tell me when I have a 
message, instead of leaving an overly long message with pagin instructions.

IMHO, Skytel does a good job if you travel much.

SteveS
4452.3Here's the nameHAGGLE::dorianTim DorianThu Feb 29 1996 12:279
>Secondly...WHAT SW CAN I GET, AND HOW, FOR WINDOWS TO SEND ME A PAGE!!! (I 
>bet your going to tell me to call the paging office and use VTX :-)   

No I'm not that mean. The name of the software is SkyWord Access For Windows.
I've been using it on Windows95 and it works like a champ. It's from Mtel
Technologies. 800-sky-user might be able to help. Or maybe an altavista search
for Mtel technologies? 

Tim
4452.4"Hellllooo McFly...Helllooo...MPOS01::BJAMESI feel the need, the need for SPEEDThu Feb 29 1996 12:4925
    "Lordy Lordy Lordy....the things we go through...."
    
    Someone, anyone tell me why we have an office of paging?  Is this now
    one of our new core competiencies?  Now I know what you're going to say
    next.  That we have to have a control point because before everyone was
    just "out there" cutting their own deals on pagers.  And I agree,
    controling costs is an important attribute of setting up any
    outsourcing arrangement.  But geez whilikers folks, how many hours do
    we spend wandering around our internal systems and web sites fiddle
    futzin' around on this stuff when we should be servicing our clients,
    building computers, selling solutions, you know that bidness stuff?
    
    Why is it soooo hard to do business with ourselves?  Can't we get that
    streamlined and then take it externally and apply what we learned to
    simplify our business practices with our customers?  Hmmmm...might be
    onto something here.  
    
    If I had this experience, I'd be launching a copy of this notes file
    right up to Mr. Ferrales or whoever owns this mess and say, "Excuse me
    I need some help with this process so I can just get on with my tasks 
    at hand."  You know, nice and professional and all but let's just get
    on with it, 'cause this is not the time to be running out of bullets in
    the trench.
    
    Mav
4452.5HERON::KAISERThu Feb 29 1996 12:596
> Someone, anyone tell me why we have an office of paging?

Because someone noticed we had an office of swapping, and what with the new
virtual workforce, it seemed natural at the time.

___Pete
4452.6There 'ya go it's a simple answerMPOS01::BJAMESI feel the need, the need for SPEEDThu Feb 29 1996 13:033
    re: .5
    
    Touche' mon amis
4452.7SkyTel stinks!PCBUOA::LPIERCEThe Truth is Out ThereThu Feb 29 1996 13:359
    
    I didn't have any trouble ordering my pager, and I got it in 2 days. 
    But, I can't get the darn thing to work!  I have had 2 pagers and none of
    them work, infact my whole group got them and out of 10 pagers, 3
    worked.
    
    We gave up, until Digital gets a better service then SkyTel
    
    lkp
4452.8It's fixed!!!HAGGLE::dorianTim DorianThu Feb 29 1996 14:3810
Well this notes file entry paid off! I just gat a call from skytel. They
have enabled my pager and I successfully sent myself a page over their
web browser. http://www.skytel.com/Paging/

Thanks to whoever took the initiative to fix this! I hope we can put the same
effort in to fixing the process for everyone else.

Regards,

Tim
4452.9MKOTS3::LANGLOISWhch brdge to burn,whch to crossThu Feb 29 1996 14:506
    SkyTel pagers DO work country-wide but ONLY in/near metropolitan areas.
    If you're in the boonies (folks in my group cover Maine/New Hampshire/
    Vermont) reception is spotty at best. I also notice I'll get my 
    'out-of-range' readout when I'm in certain parts of certain buildings.
    
    							Thom...
4452.10the fine print...OREGUN::GREGORYThu Feb 29 1996 16:3310

On the other hand, only ALPHANUMERIC pagers function with the web based service
from SKYtel, and not plain NUMERIC pagers... bummer.

I suppose the display (I don't really know) tells who sent the page, by
inserting the e-mail address of the sender. But than again, it is the sender
that inputs the address - and they couldn't lie, could they?

 -dg
4452.11MobileMedia, tooMKOTS3::TINIUSIt's always something.Thu Feb 29 1996 17:074
MobileMedia Communications also offers a Web Page Page (har har)
at http://www.mobilemedia.com/wwwpage/wwwpage.htm

-stephen
4452.12I finally worked directly with SkyTelWHYNOW::NEWMANInstalled Base Marketing - DTN 223-5795Fri Mar 01 1996 07:5116
    I too have a pager from SkyTel via the "Digital Pager Program Office". 
    I have also found it very difficult to get in touch with someone at
    this office.  I have found that the service works well (I am located in
    PKO).  I recently wanted to change my service to the new 2-way pager
    service that SkyTel offers.  I was able to get the order in via VTX but
    then never heard anything.  I finally gave up on the pager program
    office and was able to get directly in contact with the SkyTel
    representative assigned to Digital.  She was very helpful. 
    Unfortunately, after much effort, it was determined that this level of
    service does not work in the Maynard area.  Apparently the transmitters
    in the 2-way pagers are not strong enough to reach the SkyTel towers in
    the area.  I had to switch back to the standard alphanumeric 1-way
    pager.
    
    I do not want to post the SkyTel representatives name/number here but
    if you are still having problems give me a call.
4452.13SkyTel software is free for the asking to subscribersHSOSS1::HARDMANDigital. WE can make it happen!Fri Mar 01 1996 23:2012
    Re. Back a few... The SkyTel paging software is available free to
    SkyTel subscribers. I called 1-800-SKY-USER to get my copy. I have it
    on my laptop and also have a copy installed at home so that my wife can
    send me messages while I'm on the road.
    
    The only complaint I've got is that it doesn't support dailing in from
    multiple locations (ie, Dial 9 to get and outside line, or Dial 8 or
    just dial the number). You have to manually select "Modem
    configuration" and edit the dial string, depending on the requirements.
    
    Harry
    
4452.14A good experienceSWAM1::GOLDMAN_MAI'm getting verklempt!Wed Mar 13 1996 16:3720
    Not to be a wet blanket and actually complement something inside
    Digital, but...
    
    When I moved to AZ from CA last summer, I was (a) 7 months pregnant and
    (b) in the midst of my busiest work season.  I could not be out of
    touch for very long.  I already knew about the VTX thing, from
    registering my old pager when we switched from local to national pager
    management.  I went in to the VTX application, and couldn't get my
    change order to go through.  I called the pager office number, and
    received a return phone call next a.m. (remember the 3 hr. time
    difference, and that doesn't sound so terrible...).  I explained my
    problem.  They said they weren't aware that the system wasn't working
    properly and would check into it.  Called me back same day and told me
    to try again.  I did, it worked.  I got my new SkyTel pager in less
    than a week, and it worked, bang, first time.  End of story.
    
    The only time I've gotten an out of range message was in an airplane.
    
    M.
    
4452.15Tips for SKYTEL usersSTOWOA::JAKUSTue Mar 19 1996 09:4319
    Tips for Skytel pager users
    
    All Skytel ALPHA nationwides should be shipping with the PC software
    and set up for internet paging. The format of your internet address
    is your pin no. @skymail.com or [email protected]
    
    This service is free on activation an DOES NOT require any transaction
    in the Pager system if it isn't functioning. I recommend calling
    Kim Morse at 800-757-4453 and she will help with all issues. She is
    our Digital rep. ( note she is in CA so you may have to leave a message
    but Kim is excellent). She can also get you a copy of the software
    for your PC and there is no charge for that.
    
    Be aware though that the Email function has a limit of 2000 characters
    per month at no charge and .02 a character after that. Avoid sending
    verbose messages as it does add up. 
    
    
    
4452.16SX4GTO::OLSONDBTC Palo AltoThu Mar 21 1996 18:197
    I don't have a nationwide skytel pager, but the california-wide paging
    service I received through VTX PAGER (finally) from airtouch is also
    directly reachable from email- no special software required, anyone who
    wants to send me an alphanumneric message can send it to
    [email protected].  Works a champ.
    
    DougO