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Conference 7.286::digital

Title:The Digital way of working
Moderator:QUARK::LIONELON
Created:Fri Feb 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
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4233.0. "Enterprise Management Summit: IBM out-manages a small group of rivals" by MAIL1::RMILLER () Tue Oct 31 1995 17:41

    From Communications Week Interactive - News
    
    (http://techweb.cmp.com/techweb/cw/current/netnews.htm#top)
    
    Enterprise Management Summit: IBM
    out-manages a small group of rivals
    
    By BETH DAVIS
    
    The absence of two leading players from a key industry
    competition among integrated systems and network management
    platform vendors has become a sore point for network managers.
    Attendees of the Enterprise Management Summit shoot-out in
    side by side. But Hewlett-Packard Co. and Sun Microsystems
    Inc. opted out of the event.
    
    HP and Sun bowed out of the shoot-out at the last minute,
    claiming the event was too time-consuming or that they couldn't
    spare the necessary resources to participate. But few managers
    were buying HP's or Sun's claims. 
    
    IBM bested the other three vendors that did participate--Bull HN
    Information Systems Inc., Cabletron Systems Inc. and Digital
    Equipment Corp.--winning the event for the second year in a row.
    
    All four vendors failed to tackle all the problems the live network
    threw at them during the competition, though.
    Attendees, however, said they weren't looking for best and worst;
    instead, they wanted to see the products perform in real-time.
    
    This year's second annual shoot-out focused heavily on systems
    management. According to the judges, all four vendors showed
    weaknesses in that area. All missed at least three of the 10
    scenarios. Digital had the worst luck; it wasn't even able to get its
    platform up and running.
    
    
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4233.1Don't believe the first article you read...TUXEDO::STRUTTColin StruttWed Nov 01 1995 08:2710
    Perhaps someone could post the article on the same topic that was
    published in this week's Network World?
    
    The Network World article seems to go into a little more detail and
    explain the circumstances behind the problems that the Communications
    Week writer mentioned, and indicate that, perhaps, the tests were not
    conducted in a fair and impartial environment.
    
    Perhaps, also, someone who was *at* Summit, from our Management group
    might shed some more light on the circumstances?
4233.2tennis.ivo.dec.com::KAMKam WWSE 714/261.4133 DTN/535.4133 IVOWed Nov 01 1995 16:1332
    re .0
    That article is out-of-content.  The hardcopy has about 8 more
    paragraphs AND the following table, see below.  According to the last
    sentence "Digital had the worst luck; it wasn't even able to get its
    platform up and running."
    
    Well then where did the data for the following table come from?
    
    Table on pg. 80
    The Winners Are...
    EMS shoot-out participants were tested in the following areas.  Below
    are the winners and runner-ups.
                                        Winner		Runner-up
    Overall               		IBM		Cabletron
    
    Asset Management			IBM		Cabletron
    
    Reactive/fault management		IBM    		Digital
    
    Ease-of-use;                        Cabletron       Bull
    Integration of components
    
    Software distribution/              IBM             Digital
    configuration management
    
    Preventive/proactive                IBM             Cabletron
    management
                                        
    Application management              Digital         Cabletron
    
    
    Who from Digital participated and what are your comments?
4233.3don't shoot the messengerMAIL1::RMILLERThu Nov 02 1995 09:599
    The article may be out of content but this is all that was given in the 
    abridged version of the article in Information Week Interactive on WWW.
    
    (you can check for yourself using http given in .0)
    
    Just thought I would bring to light what some of our customers might be
    reading - out of content or otherwise.
    
    
4233.5It was poor summarization.NEWVAX::MZARUDZKII AXPed it, and it is thinking...Thu Nov 02 1995 12:1913
    
     I tend to read these things with an open mind. So when I caught the
    article and saw the "...Digital..could not get it running..." I said
    to bad. I kept reading and then came up to the overall summary box.
    Here Digital was rated as runner-up in most catagories.
    
    Now, go figure. For a product that didn't run to be rated runner up?
    Or a very poorly written article?
    
    You have to read the article, see it with your own eyes. The conclusion
    is *positive*.
    
    -Mike Z.
4233.6Digital's perspective of the Enterprise Management Summit '95GLRMAI::GRUPPOSOTue Nov 14 1995 09:25192
Attached is a note on the Enterprise Management Summit.  This memo provides
    a good synopsis of Digital's participation.  
    
    Regards, Diana Grupposo
    	     Summit '95 Project Manager
    
From:	DELNI::F_ALLEN "FAYE C. ALLEN NOS MARKETING GROUP MGR. DTN 226-5476  13-Nov-1995 1938" 13-NOV-1995 19:50:46.63
To:	@POLYTERRITORY.DIS,@NSM.DIS,@MKTG.DIS
CC:	@SBGSTAFF.DIS
Subj:	Results of Enterprise Management Summit '95 Shootout


TO:    POLYCENTER Worldwide Team
       NSM Group
       NIS Marketing Group 

CC:    SBG Staff
        
FROM:  Faye Allen, CSBU Marketing

SUBJ:  Results of Enterprise Management Summit 95 Shootout


The Enterprise Management Summit gathers leading enterprise management
industry users, vendors and experts to explore real-world solutions to
today's most pressing managment issues. It provides a place for
attendees to see enterprise management technology in action, with
real, integrated solutions that are available now. This year's Summit
95 conference/exhibition occurred October 23-25 at the Infomart in
Dallas, Texas. 

The Summit has three distinct parts: the Shootout, the exhibition and
the conference. In the Shootout part of the Summit, conference
attendees experience enterprise management in action as vendors
compete with each other in a real-time environment on stage in front
of a live audience to solve a series of network and system management
scenarios designed to represent key customer needs. In the exhibit
part of the Summit, conference attendees can get in-depth product
demonstrations and discussions with technical product experts. This
year, Digital had a 20x30 booth in the Exhibit area. The Summit also
includes a conference where industry analysts, vendor experts, etc.
take part in discussion panels on current network and system
management topics. Digital presented four sessions and participated in
two panels. 

Four vendors -- Cabletron, Digital, Groupe Bull, and IBM - competed in
this year's Shootout portion of the Summit. Two of the market leaders,
HP and Sun, pulled out of the competition very late, causing a lot of
disappointment among the attendees and the other competitors. 

Digital took FIRST place in the Application Management scenario and
RUNNER-UP in two areas - Reactive/Fault Management and Software
Distribution/Change Management. 

Here are the results of the Shootout:

	Category                 Winner         Runner-up
	--------                 -----          --------
	Asset (discovery & 
	inventory) Mgmt.	 IBM            Cabletron
	Reactive/Fault Mgmt.     IBM            Digital
	Ease-of-use;
	   integration of
	   components            Cabletron      Bull
	Software Distribution/
	   Configuration Mgmt.   IBM            Digital
	Preventive/Proactive
	   Management            IBM            Cabletron
	Application management   Digital        Cabletron

	OVERALL			 IBM		Cabletron


The Summit Project Team entered the competition confident that we
would do well.  Jeffrey Snover, Larry Wellington, and Diana Grupposo
were the on-stage team representing Digital.  Digital was the only
company presenting an all-NT solutions.  We experienced problems with
our management station while setting up for our Shootout time slot. 
Specifically, a number of the POLYCENTER Manager on NetView daemons
would not start. Since the POLYCENTER Manager on NetView had run
without fail in our test lab in Massachusetts, at the staging in
Coloarad, at the dry runs in Dallas, and in our booth in Dallas,
everyone was very surprised when POLYCENTER Manager on NetView did not
start. Under these very difficult circumstances, Jeffrey, Larry, and
Diana perserved with the Shootout presentation by focusing on those
scenarios that the running management software could address. 

Jeffrey, Larry, and Diana received many compliments from Shootout
judges, EMS staff, attendees, competitors and Digital employees on
their professional execution of a difficult situation. Indeed, they
were awarded special T-shirts with a champagne toast in our booth for
their efforts. 

As of this date the team does not know what went wrong.  We are in the
process of analyzing the Summit '95 project and the management
station.  Our goals are to learn from this years effort and to make
our management products even better. 

Immediately after the competition the team met to discuss the
situation and Digital's response.  We agreed on three statements that
reflect the reality of the situation: 

1)  We came to Dallas with every expectation that we would do well since the
    system worked in our labs, at the staging in Colorado, at the trial runs 
    in Dallas, and in our booth at the show.
2)  We would NOT guess at what we suspected could be the problem because we did
    not want to put innocent components under suspicion.
3)  We were the only company that did not enter the competition with a clean
    slate -- Digital had to follow another company and had only minutes to 
    reset the environment.

We still wanted to give Summit attendees a chance to see POLYCENTER
Manager on NetView for WNT in action, so we replaced Gail Ferreira's
presentation at the Product Directions Forum with a demonstration of
POLYCENTER NetView for WNT. The demonstration was presented by Susan
Kaufman and Jeff Snover, and went smoothly. 

We also met with Rick Sturm, Summit director, to discuss our concerns
regarding the competition.  Rick agreed with our concerns and said
there would be changes to the competition next year.  We informed Rick
that we would followup with a letter formalizing our concerns.  The
letter sent to Rick is attached. 

Although there were about a dozen editors at the event, only four
articles have been written to date (Communications Week 30-October,
Network World 30-October, PC Week 05-November, Communications Week
06-November).  The articles have focused on the fact that HP and Sun
were "no-shows" who "disappointed" the attendees, and the fact that
the shootout was "controversial" in that it proved that "for 50
minutes, IBM was better at marketing its product than the other
contestants." One article mentions that "Digital was the only vendor
that had to compete immediately after another" and "There was not
enough time in between contestants for the environment to be
reset...".  Also, "The contest...was marred by the absence of the
market leaders and a controversial malfunction, which added
uncertainty surrounding what the event actually proved." 




November 8, 1995





Mr. Richard Sturm, Principal
Enterprise Management Institute, Inc.
123 Townsend Street, Suite 645
San Francisco CA 94107

Dear Mr. Sturm:

Digital Equipment Corporation was pleased to support the Enterprise Management
Summit 95 Shootout.  The opportunity for customers to see solutions to the
problems they face every day is unmatched in other forums.

We must express our disappointed with one aspect of the competition, however. 
Digital only had 10 minutes to set up for our demonstration in the Shootout. 
This time was wholly inadequate under any circumstances.  In addition, Digital
was the only competitor with such a short setup time.  We feel this
significantly affected our performance.

Our Shootout team entered the competition confident that we would do well.  The
software ran successfully in our test lab in Massachusetts, during the staging
in Colorado, during the dry runs in Dallas, and in our booth at the show.  We
had every reason to believe it would run successfully during the Shootout, and
we were very surprised that it would not start.  We were disappointed to lose
the opportunity to demonstrate the power of our products to the Enterprise
Management Summit attendees.

All of the companies except Digital performed real-time autodiscovery with a
clean slate.  Digital was the only company that followed another company.  The
Digital team was required to reset the environment on stage in front of an
audience in a very short period of time.

In order to consider competing in next year's Shootout, Digital will require
your assurance that irregular conditions such as this will not exist and that
the playing field will be equal for all participants.

We understand that you plan to change the Shootout.  Please contact us any time
if you wish to discuss ideas for next year.

Very truly yours,



Faye Allen
Director of Marketing
Network Integration Software