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Conference 7.286::digital

Title:The Digital way of working
Moderator:QUARK::LIONELON
Created:Fri Feb 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5321
Total number of notes:139771

4226.0. "MKO TO MRO ????" by MKOTS3::MITCHELL () Mon Oct 30 1995 09:09

    Does anyone have any insight into the Fidelity purchase of MKO2 and the
    possibility of also purchasing MKO1 if the town of Merrimack refuses
    Fidelity building permits to make an addition to MKO2.  This is to take
    place sometime next week.
    
    The rumor or fact is that Digital gave an option to Fidelity that if
    the town of Merrimack refuses the Fidelity proposal than Digital would then
    sell Fidelity MKO1 also.
    
                          thanks  peter
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4226.1netrix.lkg.dec.com::thomasThe Code WarriorMon Oct 30 1995 10:551
sounds closer to fact than rumor.
4226.2What goes around?MNATUR::LISTONMon Oct 30 1995 12:386
    RE: .0

    Yeah, and they'll probably work out a swap (for a loss) whereby Digital
    gets the MRO4 facility back from Fidelity.

4226.3IROCZ::MORRISONBob M. LKG1-3/A11 226-7570Tue Oct 31 1995 17:587
  Why might Merrimack refuse to allow Fidelity to put an addition on MKO2?
I recall that the MKO site used to have a huge amount of land? Did Digital
sell off some land (before the Fidelity purchase) to the extent that there is
not enough land to accommodate an addition? Or is the issue something other
than land?
  The MKO2 closure seems to not have inconvenienced a lot of people. My sense
is that closing MKO1 would cause major problems for a lot of people.
4226.4MKOTS3::MITCHELLWed Nov 01 1995 09:276
    Being a town planner for 6 yrs I had to consider the amount of land as only
    one of many factors.  You have to think about many other things.  The
    biggest things that would effect this decision, in my opinion, would be
    added trafic to an already crowded road system, wet areas, more
    fire fighting expenses, SCHOOL space for the already much over crowded
    merrimack school system, etc.  The list can go on and on.
4226.5The only real issue is SCHOOL overcrowdingTRLIAN::LAILBob LailWed Nov 01 1995 11:4833
+                     <<< Note 4226.4 by MKOTS3::MITCHELL >>>
+
+    Being a town planner for 6 yrs I had to consider the amount of land as only
+    one of many factors.  You have to think about many other things.  The
+    biggest things that would effect this decision, in my opinion, would be
+    added trafic to an already crowded road system, wet areas, more
+    fire fighting expenses, SCHOOL space for the already much over crowded
+    merrimack school system, etc.  The list can go on and on.
+
+
 
        RE .4
        
        The  "roads"  issue was the source of the downsized MKO2 when  it
        was  first  built.   That is no longer an issue, or at  least  it
        should not be.  The Industrial Interchange, exit 10, and the Camp
        Sergeant Rd bypass  were  built  to remove those issues.  The fire
        fighting expense issue is covered by the ponds behind each of the
        facilities  and  has  never been  an  issue  with  the  Merrimack
        Planning Board.  The real issue  today is the over crowded school
        system.  I hope the Merrimack Planning  Board and the School Board
        can  work these issues together without the controversy  we  have
        seen in the past.
        
        Considering  how  the  tax  rates  on  residential  housing  have
        increased in the  past  couple  of years Merrimack needs more not
        less commercial tax payers.
        
        \Bob Lail
        
        
        
        
4226.6HDLITE::SCHAFERMark Schafer, Alpha Developer&#039;s supportWed Nov 01 1995 11:576
    okay, so it sounds like the town wants Fidelity to pay for a new
    school.  Fidelity probably estimates the cost of adding to the facility
    + the new school for the town and says, "We might be better off buying
    the other DEC building."
    
    Mark
4226.7Say again?DECC::VOGELWed Nov 01 1995 12:1539
    
    Re .4: (Much of this repeats .5, but I feel it needs to be said anyway)

    Do you know the situation or are you speculating?

>   The biggest things that would effect this decision, in my opinion, would be
    added traffic to an already crowded road system, 

    Most traffic to a new MK facility would use exit 11.
    The rest would use the newly built Camp Sargent bypass. Do you consider
    these roads crowded?
    
>   wet areas, 

    Can't argue with this one as I don't know the layout of the land.
    However I was not under the impression that this part of Merrimack
    had a shortage of wetlands.

>    more fire fighting expenses, 

    Huh??? I drive past the South Merrimack fire station all the time.
    I almost never see the fire trucks out of the station. 

>   SCHOOL space for the already much over crowded Merrimack school system

    Could you explain this one. I thought it was people who live in houses
    which send children to the school system, and not businesses. In fact
    property such as MK contribute a lot more money to the town than they
    take away. If you're worried about school space then maybe building
    permits to residential housing should be denied, but not commercial
    building.

    It seems to me this is exactly the type of building we want in Merrimack.

    					Ed


    
4226.8Not too mysteriousBECALM::NYLANDERWed Nov 01 1995 16:3227
    OK, everybody calm down.  There's a perfectly reasonable explanation.
    
    The buildable land which remains on the Digital plot in Merrimack is
    "landlocked":  there's no way (that had yet been proposed to the
    Planning Board) to get to or from that plot overland, without either
    getting an easement granted from somebody else to put a road / driveway
    over their non-Digital land, or to put a new road or driveway through
    or perilously close to some "wetlands".
    
    Those sorts of folks who feel entitled to dictate private property use
    to other property owners have some problems with putting a road or
    driveway through or near a "wetlands".
    
    So the Planning Board told Digital to come back with a proposal that
    would provide access to a new building, with acceptable "environmental
    impact".
    
    Digital said "OK, no problem, we think we can figure out how to do that
    and make everybody happy".
    
    The Planning Board said "Great, we'll take a look at it when you're
    ready".
    
    At this point, there's no evidence of anything more stupid or
    mysterious than this.  Presuming that Digital can make a reasonable
    proposal for access to a new building, there's no reason to think that
    there will be a big problem.
4226.9Facts at lastDECCXX::VOGELWed Nov 01 1995 20:548
    
    RE .8 - Thanks Chip. That makes a good deal of sense.
    
    I though the author of .4 was speaking facts and not just speculating.
    
    						Ed
    
    
4226.10confusedARCANA::CONNELLYDon&#039;t try this at home, kids!Thu Nov 02 1995 01:209
re: .8

Are we talking about MKO2-&-1/2 or an MKO3?  I thought the original
discussion was about adding the missing second half of MKO2 (from
the cafeteria south) vs. building a whole new building.  Certainly
access exists for that already.

- paul
4226.11SKYLAB::FISHERI&#039;ve advocated term limits for 19 years! - Rep Bob DornanMon Nov 06 1995 17:0824
It sounded to me like .4 was talking about generic issues that effect such
decisions.

This is also a generic response to .7:


>>   SCHOOL space for the already much over crowded Merrimack school system
>
>    Could you explain this one. I thought it was people who live in houses
>    which send children to the school system, and not businesses. In fact
>    property such as MK contribute a lot more money to the town than they
>    take away. If you're worried about school space then maybe building
>    permits to residential housing should be denied, but not commercial
>    building.

If Fidelity builds a new building, they will probably bring new employees into
the area to fill it.  Some percent of the new employees will choose to live
close to the plant (i.e. in Merrimack), putting pressure on developers to build
new houses.  Standard studies show that each new house costs a city $1000 over
and above the new tax revenues it generates through schools, services, etc.  I
don't know if Merrimack has impact fees on new houses or not, but regardless,
impact fees are one-time, and the $1000 is continuous.

Burns