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| 4070.1 | | QUARK::LIONEL | Free advice is worth every cent | Wed Aug 23 1995 15:11 | 3 |
| Discussion in RANGER::WINDOWS95.
Steve
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| 4070.2 | You're not alone... | MNCHKN::SUMNER | | Wed Aug 23 1995 15:26 | 17 |
| I second the question...
Yesterday (August 22nd) a message was sent out from GPS (CNS) to
all GPS customers that Windows 95 would be supported by GPS starting
on Sep 4th. I am in a GPS support group and found this to be a
'curious' message since there are only 7 business days left before
this date and GPS has not yet delivered any support strategy,
licensing strategy, Pathworks upgrade strategy or training strategy
to it's front line support people (or at least not THIS support
person). The only things I know about Windows 95 were learned on
my own time, on my home PC & at my own expense.
If somebody has a global strategy, or for that matter, _any_
strategy, they are not sharing it with the rest of us...
Glenn (who expects to be flamed for speaking the truth)
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| 4070.3 | Surprise to me!! | TROOA::DCHENG | | Wed Aug 23 1995 23:33 | 16 |
| Mario,
I was under the impression that Digital is the only support provider
for Microsoft's Windows 95(at least in Canada).
So I thought that all the desktop and
Pathworks support specialists are all trained to the maximum extend in
W95. The wire said CSC in Hull is all geared up for the support effort.
The local office in Toronto didnot get too many people on the W95
course. So don't count on us.
Management in CSC should have the answer. Otherwise it a shame.
David Cheng
Network Services, Toronto, Canada
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| 4070.4 | | KAOT01::M_MORIN | Join the Hull CTH boys' club or lose your privs!! | Thu Aug 24 1995 10:17 | 7 |
| We're trained all right but the question is when and where do we get the
Windows 95 license and media, and from whom?
We're contemplating going to a retail store today to buy some copies and
expensing them. We may not have any choice.
/Mario
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| 4070.5 | Try MCS CIO | CHEFS::MORRISC | | Thu Aug 24 1995 10:42 | 4 |
| I believe your CIO for MCS is Cormac O'Reilly @OGO. I am sure he or one of
his staff owuld be able to advise you of the roll-out plan.
Chris
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| 4070.6 | Does this help ? | WELCLU::62967::sharkeya | James Bond uses Loginn | Thu Aug 24 1995 15:56 | 5 |
| PATHWORKS for Windows 95 will use existing PATHWORKS 5.1 client
licenses (or any server license).
Alan
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| 4070.7 | | KAOT01::M_MORIN | Join the Hull CTH boys' club or lose your privs!! | Thu Aug 24 1995 16:20 | 5 |
| We can get Pathworks kits and licenses internally so that's not an issue.
I'm talking about Windows 95 licenses.
/Mario
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| 4070.8 | | AXEL::FOLEY | Rebel without a Clue | Thu Aug 24 1995 17:46 | 9 |
|
It does seem like nobody has a clue, huh?
I need a number of copies for *real* work also. You'd think
that we'd have SOMETHING. I heard in a notesfile that someone
mentioned OCTOBER! That's unacceptable.
mike
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| 4070.9 | roll your own ahd pray ? | WELCLU::SHARKEYA | LoginN - even makes the coffee@ | Thu Aug 24 1995 18:49 | 5 |
| I just went and bought my own. If I had to wait for DEC to by me PC
kit, I'd have given up long ago
Alan
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| 4070.10 | | TROOA::DCHENG | | Thu Aug 24 1995 19:39 | 2 |
| Brian Jenkens is the National Account Manager for Microsoft. He may
have the answer. He is at TRO.
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| 4070.11 | Why Pathworks with WIN95? | STAR::jacobi.zko.dec.com::JACOBI | Paul A. Jacobi - OpenVMS Alpha Development | Thu Aug 24 1995 19:46 | 7 |
|
Why would you want Pathworks on Windows95? I understand Windows95 has
built-in TCP/IP networking.
-Paul
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| 4070.12 | its called value added... | KLUSTR::GARDNER | The secret word is Mudshark. | Thu Aug 24 1995 21:04 | 7 |
| re: .11
maybe, just maybe, being that this *is* Digital, you may need
LAT, DECnet, a terminal emulator, or any of the other goodies
that are and always have been part of PATHWORKS...
_kelley
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| 4070.13 | For CXO PC users.... | GENRAL::KILGORE | The UT Desert Rat living in CO | Fri Aug 25 1995 13:08 | 42 |
| From: GENRAL::ESSPC "Supporting ESS PCs /NT Servers 25-Aug-1995 0934 -0600" 25-AUG-1995 09:41:57.29
To: @PC_USERS.DIS,@GENRAL_USERS.DIS
CC: ESSPC
Subj: (I)Windows95 Support
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|d|i|g|i|t|a|l| Engineering System Support
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To: CXO PC Customers
From: Engineering Systems Support
Date: 25-AUG-95
Subject: The Release of Windows 95
-----------------------------------
The August 24th release of Windows 95 was one that we've all waited for. Its
state of the art technology and promises to be so much more than what we use
today. Your first instinct is to get it as soon as possible and install it.
However, be advised that due to the incompatibilities between Windows95 and
the currently installed DECNET versions of Pathworks, your PC's
will be rendered unusable if a Windows 95 installation is performed over
your existing Windows 3.x software, here at the office. We ask that
you refrain from installing Windows 95 on PC's that we presently support
as part of our DOS/Windows/Pathworks/DECNET installation. The installation
will work on PC's running the TCP/IP protocol.
Our support strategy will be the same as it is presently for Windows 3.1 or
Windows for Workgroups 3.11, send mail to the ESSPC account to schedule an
installation. If you are planning for Win95 we strongly encourage you to sign
up for training as it becomes available.
Also, to clarify a misunderstanding of our services, ESS will not supply
Windows 95 software to anyone. It is the responsibility of the individual,
or group, to purchase the Windows 95 software through the proper channels.
Thank you for your cooperation.
ESS PC Support Team
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| 4070.14 | I use DECnet fine! | BAHTAT::HILTON | http://blyth.lzo.dec.com | Sat Aug 26 1995 06:38 | 5 |
| re .133
Install Win 95, then install PATHWORKS 95, and you'll have a working
DECnet/TCP/IP system.
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| 4070.15 | Easy (ish) | WELCLU::SHARKEYA | LoginN - even makes the coffee@ | Sat Aug 26 1995 17:46 | 7 |
| Yes, its not hard. Disable any calls to STARTNET, run WIn95 setup,
confuigure everything and then add PW for 95.
Easy for the individual - I wonder how a company with 10,000 PC's will
handle it !
Alan
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| 4070.16 | | PLAYER::BROWNL | Tyro-Delphi-hacker | Wed Aug 30 1995 07:45 | 10 |
| I heard that '95 can't be installed on a "Digital" version of Windows
3.11 because we replaced some ID string buried therein with some guff
like "Thanks for buying this copy of Windows from Digital". '95 looks
for this ID string, and if not found, refuses to install itself.
Apparently, there will be a patch for the "Digital" version of Windows
3.11 "real soon now".
Is any of this true?
Laurie.
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| 4070.17 | No problem here | WHYNOW::NEWMAN | Installed Base Marketing - DTN 223-5795 | Wed Aug 30 1995 08:25 | 1 |
| I had no problem upgrading to Windows 95...
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| 4070.18 | | DRDAN::KALIKOW | DIGITAL=DEC: ReClaim TheName&Glory! | Wed Aug 30 1995 09:55 | 2 |
| Nor I. Sounds like FUD... :-)
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| 4070.19 | | NYAAPS::CORBISHLEY | David Corbishley 323-4376 | Thu Aug 31 1995 09:56 | 9 |
| Back to the original question, third party software is aquired by
Software Acquistions (SP?). I know they are currently negotiating a
deal at this time.
If you need Windows95 for internal use and the need is not emergency,
do yourself a BIG favor and wait for the deal to be announced. I think
everyone will be pleased when they see whats available.
BTW, anyone have a server with 14 CD drives available?
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| 4070.20 | | KAOT01::M_MORIN | Join the Hull CTH boys' club or lose your privs!! | Thu Aug 31 1995 13:16 | 9 |
| My point exactly.
If a deal is being negociated why doesn't anybody anywhere know about it and
wait?
What happens to those who need them now? i.e Pathworks CSC support engineers.
/Mario
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| 4070.21 | Ambush administration | ZPOVC::GEOFFREY | | Fri Sep 01 1995 00:03 | 23 |
| One of the things I really hate about this company is the amount of
"ambush" administration that goes on. This sounds like another example:
- Some group buried in Corporate gets a "charter" (i.e. volume purchase)
- nobody else in the corporation ever gets notified
- Some poor slob driven by business need does something that encroaches
on the "charter" (like buying software on his own CC)
- He gets "ambushed" for not following a procedure he never saw
So much of our time is spent trying to track down policies, procedures,
and just plain useless red tape before we make a business move. It's
all the more galling when it seems like people go out of their way to
keep these things under wraps until it's too late.
It has to stop, or we will be put out of business by those companies who
know how to keep things simple. We used to have a reputation for how
well we communicated within our company; leading-edge E-mail, computer
conferencing, videotext, and our internal publications were all envied
by most of our competitors and many of our customer.
What happened to us???
Geoff
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| 4070.22 | Some Part Numbers (local variants may apply) | BBRDGE::LOVELL | � l'eau; c'est l'heure | Fri Sep 01 1995 04:35 | 211 |
| C'mon DECCies ;
quit your whinging over a paltry 35Mb of desktop software :-)
See attached for some "process" guys in this company that are doing
their job on Win95 purchases and communicating as fast as they can.
I don't see anything there that is out to "ambush" you from doing your
job with Win95 if you have an urgent need.
This extract is taken from the UK published initiative - there may be
others (I certainly have seen clear communication for MCS SRR
world-wide but haven't sought posting permission to put it here).
The point is - just get on and do what you need to do! If possible, do
it within your scope of control (i.e. retail purchase if your
organization can justify it). This company is way too big and
fragmented for you to reasonably expect a corporate-wide deal within
a week of a world-wide announcement.
/Chris.
<<< ROCKS::DISK$APPL01:[NOTES$LIBRARY]UK_DIGITAL.NOTE;1 >>>
-< Working for Digital in the UK >-
================================================================================
Note 610.166 Microsoft Discount for Digital employees NOW available 166 of 166
BAHTAT::HILTON "http://blyth.lzo.dec.com" 183 lines 31-AUG-1995 14:59
-< Latest Microsoft Win95 info >-
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As promised. Posted with the permission of Mike Kelly.
Greg
I N T E R O F F I C E M E M O R A N D U M
Date: 30-Aug-1995 17:59 BST
From: Nick POWELL @GEO
POWELL AT A1GVA02 @EHQMTS @GEO
Dept: EURO OMS DESKTOP SERVICES
Tel No: DTN 821-4152
TO: See Below
Subject: U/A: Internal Purchases of Windows 95 products
Ladies and Gentlemen,
[PLEASE ENSURE THAT THIS MESSAGE IS RECEIVED BY YOUR EFSI ADMINISTRATOR]
[AS WELL AS THOSE END-USERS/MANAGERS WHO MAY BE ORDERING WINDOWS 95. ]
As you all know, Microsoft has released Windows 95 along with several
native applications. We are sure that many end-users desire to have these
products as soon as possible. We want to avoid having employees purchase
these products in retail stores. At the same time, we also want to keep
the internal ordering process consistent and simple. Unfortunately,
Windows 95 and its associated products are not covered under our agreement
with Microsoft. (In any event, we are still negotiating with Microsoft to
replace our previous agreement and build a new internal menu.) Therefore,
we are temporarily sourcing the products from an external supplier and we
have added them to the internal software purchasing system, EFSi.
*HOWEVER*, please consider the statements below *BEFORE* ordering anything.
***************************************************************************
* *
* o FIRST AND FOREMOST: Be aware that these Windows 95 products are *
* brand new. As such, VERY FEW sites have sufficient technical *
* expertise at this time to support end-users in installation, *
* configuration or usage. Local migration plans will be developed, *
* which will greatly facilitate this massive upgrade process. *
* We *STRONGLY* recommend end-users wait for this process to be *
* implemented, rather than being on the 'leading edge' and facing *
* unknown problems with no support. *
* *
***************************************************************************
o As already mentioned, our current internal purchasing agreement with
Microsoft does not cover any Windows 95 related products. Hence, the
prices are *substantially* higher than the Windows 3.1 products. For
example, the full kit for MS Office 95 will cost $508... while the full
kit for MS-Office 4.2 had the special internal purchase price of $142.
In fact, our Window 95 product prices will be close to street prices
until the new agreement is in place ! So, unless the user *really*
wants the Windows 95 version of the product, it is strongly recommended
to continue using the Windows 3.1 version awhile longer.
o The components of the MS Office 95 kit (Excel, Word and PowerPoint) are
listed and offered separately. However, as before, it is less
expensive to purchase the bundled kit rather than the individual
components. FYI, Office contains Excel, Word and PowerPoint...while
Office Pro contains Excel, Word, PowerPoint and Access.
o Only the English language kits are currently available.
Now that "The Message" has been stated as clearly as possible, below are
the EFSi part numbers for those products currently available.
Window 95
=========
For most systems, the appropriate kit to order is the "Windows 3.X to
Windows 95 Upgrade" kit. This kit is intended for those systems already
running Windows or Windows for Workgroups. There are 2 types of Upgrade
kits. The first type (-WY) contains the normal 3.5" diskettes and
documentation. The second type (-WX) contains a CD-ROM disk and
documentation. Obviously, this -WX kit is appropriate only if the user's
system has a CD-ROM player.
Part Number Product Description Price
----------- ------------------- -----
BR-4UJEW-WY.95 WINDOWS 95 3.5" UPG WIN 3.X TO WIN 95 ENG $ 91.51
BR-4UJEW-WX.95 WINDOWS 95 CD UPG WIN 3.X TO WIN 95 ENG $ 91.51
There are 2 types of Full kits which are intended *only* for systems
currently running MS-DOS by itself (i.e., no Windows) or another operating
system such as PC-DOS or OS/2. One kit has 3.5" diskettes (-WA) and the
other kit has CD-ROM media (-WS).
Part Number Product Description Price
----------- ------------------- -----
BR-4UJEW-WA.95 WINDOWS 95 3.5" WIN ENG $172.39
BR-4UJEW-WS.95 WINDOWS 95 CD WIN ENG $172.39
Finally, there is also a single-user license pak (-WI) for systems *not*
running Windows or Windows for Workgroups. This kit contains no media or
documentation. Rather, it is a license to install Windows 95 on one
system, using the installation files copied from either the CD-ROM or 3.5"
diskette media from a -WA or -WS kit.
Part Number Product Description Price
----------- ------------------- -----
BR-4UJEW-WI.95 WINDOWS 95 1 USER WIN ENG $146.59
32-BIT NATIVE APPLICATIONS FOR WINDOWS 95
=========================================
It is important to reiterate that these 32-bit Windows 95 native products
have *NO* special internal price yet. Furthermore, everyone should be
aware that the previous 16-bit versions (such as contained in the Microsoft
Office 4.2 kits) can be run on Windows 95 "as is" and with no
modifications.
For each application there is an Upgrade kit (-WY), intended for the user
who already has the previous 16-bit version (such as an Upgrade from Excel
for Windows v4.0 to Excel for Windows 95 v7.0). Most likely, the -WY kit
is the appropriate kit for our internal users. It contains 3.5" diskettes
and documentation.
In addition, there are two kits for *new* installations...in other words,
no previous version is already on the system. One is a Full kit with 3.5"
diskettes and documentation (-WA), and the other is a single-user license
pak with no media or documentation (-WI).
For Office 95 and Office Pro 95, there are CD-ROM versions for the Full kit
(-WS) and Upgrade kit (-WX) as well as the 3.5" diskette versions.
To facilitate the selection process, I have prefixed the most likely order
number with an asterisk (*). I consider it "most likely" because it most
closely matches the current status of our installed base.
Part Number Product Description Price
----------- ------------------- -----
* BR-4UVEW-WY.95 OFFICE 95 3.5" VER UPG X/PLAT ENG $212.44
BR-4UVEW-WX.95 OFFICE 95 CD VER UPG X/PLAT ENG $212.44
BR-4UVEW-WA.95 OFFICE 95 3.5" WIN $508.38
BR-4UVEW-WS.95 OFFICE 95 CD WIN $508.38
BR-4UVEW-WI.95 OFFICE 95 1 USER WIN ENG $432.22
BR-4UWEW-WY.95 OFFICE PRO 95 3.5" VER UPG X/PLAT ENG $312.60
BR-4UWEW-WX.95 OFFICE PRO 95 CD VER UPG X/PLAT ENG $312.60
* BR-4UWEW-WA.95 OFFICE PRO 95 3.5" WIN $658.55
BR-4UWEW-WS.95 OFFICE PRO 95 CD WIN $658.55
BR-4UWEW-WI.95 OFFICE PRO 95 1 USER WIN ENG $559.68
BR-4UEEW-WY.7.0 ACCESS FOR WIN 95 V7.0 VER UPG 3.5" X/PLAT ENG $125.01
* BR-4UEEW-WA.7.0 ACCESS FOR WIN 95 V7.0 3.5" WIN ENG $349.21
BR-4UEEW-WI.7.0 ACCESS FOR WIN 95 V7.0 1 USER WIN ENG $296.92
* BR-4UCEW-WY.7.0 EXCEL FOR WIN 95 VER UPG 3.5" X/PLAT ENG $125.01
BR-4UCEW-WA.7.0 EXCEL FOR WIN 95 V7.0 3.5" WIN ENG $349.21
BR-4UCEW-WI.7.0 EXCEL FOR WIN 95 V7.0 1 USER WIN ENG $296.92
* BR-4UDEW-WY.7.0 POWERPOINT FOR WIN 95 V7.0 VER UPG 3.5" X/PLAT $125.01
BR-4UDEW-WA.7.0 POWERPOINT FOR WIN 95 V7.0 3.5" $349.21
BR-4UDEW-WI.7.0 POWERPOINT FOR WIN 95 V7.0 1 USER WIN ENG $296.92
* BR-4UHEW-WA.7.0 SCHEDULE+ FOR WIN 95 V7.0 3.5" WIN ENG $103.60
BR-4UHEW-WI.7.0 SCHEDULE+ FOR WIN 95 V7.0 1 USER WIN ENG $ 76.48
* BR-4UGEW-WY.7.0 WORD FOR WIN 95 V7.0 VER UPG 3.5" X/PLAT ENG $125.01
BR-4UGEW-WA.7.0 WORD FOR WIN 95 V7.0 3.5" WIN ENG $349.21
BR-4UGEW-WI.7.0 WORD FOR WIN 95 V7.0 1 USER WIN ENG $296.92
Please ensure that all orders are placed though the local EFSi
Administrator.
Best regards, Nick
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| 4070.23 | | ATLANT::SCHMIDT | See http://atlant2.zko.dec.com/ | Fri Sep 01 1995 09:51 | 10 |
| Chris:
> This company is way too big and fragmented for you to reasonably
> expect a corporate-wide deal within a week of a world-wide announcement.
Bull.
It's not like they didn't know it was coming.
Atlant
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| 4070.24 | Kind of goes without saying, you know... | LACV01::CORSON | Higher, and a bit more to the right | Fri Sep 01 1995 15:46 | 9 |
|
Totally Agree with .21 & .23
We can't compete very well so we've moved to bureaucratizing our
incompetence. Still, it boggles the mind what could happen if we had
about one-half the number of "managers" we have today....
the Greyhawk
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| 4070.25 | | QUARK::LIONEL | Free advice is worth every cent | Fri Sep 01 1995 17:47 | 3 |
| According to the author, the memo in .22 applies to Europe only.
Steve
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| 4070.26 | Message from Dick Fishburn & Vin Mullarkey | CXOSS1::atitud.cxo.dec.com::atkinson_de | | Thu Sep 07 1995 16:49 | 27 |
|
***** THIS MESSAGE IS FROM DICK FISHBURN AND VIN MULLARKEY *****
The introduction of Windows 95 and related Microsoft products offers Digital
an exciting opportunity to improve the productivity of our employees and
support the messages we'll be delivering in Newport. At the same time, we
must ensure these products are introduced in a secure environment and with
appropriate fiscal responsibility.
Accordingly, any large-scale rollout of these products should begin no sooner
than Q2. Any exceptions to this requires approval first by appropriate BU
CFO and CIO management and then by ourselves.
We recognize that the pressure to upgrade is significant and that individual
users may take small-scale actions. Your support will ensure these products
are introduced in a secure and fiscally sound manner. Further information on
the rollout strategy will be forthcoming from the Delivery Services
organizations.
Regards.
/ho
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| 4070.27 | | AXEL::FOLEY | Rebel without a Clue | Thu Sep 07 1995 21:51 | 10 |
|
Oh please.. That memo is fine for the folks in Admin, but what
about those in Engineering that want to save the company some
$$ and NOT got to Computer City yet still NEED Win95 yesterday??
I'm still waiting for the el cheapo "We're buddies with Microsoft"
price on Win95 and Office95. Could a timeframe PLEASE be given so
I can plan my purchases?
mike
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| 4070.28 | | BAHTAT::HILTON | http://blyth.lzo.dec.com | Fri Sep 08 1995 08:51 | 1 |
| Timeframe I heard for El cheape deal was couple of months
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| 4070.29 | | AXEL::FOLEY | Rebel without a Clue | Fri Sep 08 1995 12:06 | 5 |
|
Geeezzzz...
mike
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| 4070.30 | | BBRDGE::LOVELL | � l'eau; c'est l'heure | Fri Sep 08 1995 13:53 | 4 |
| What is the significance of Newport?
/Chris
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| 4070.31 | | KDX200::COOPER | RuffRuff - BowWow! | Tue Sep 19 1995 19:45 | 11 |
| So much for DEC employees staying on the bleeding edge of technology,
eh? I think it's pretty poor that I had to buy my own copy of the
bloody virus so I could support my customers... I gotta wonder if
all of the 8K MCS/Customer Support people will also be purchasing
private copies?
Sounds like a coup for MicroSoft if you ask me:
"...We won't negotiate a good deal for DEC employees until they all
get pissed and purchase their own copies at retail..."
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| 4070.32 | | HERON::KAISER | | Wed Sep 20 1995 05:56 | 6 |
| > until they all get pissed and purchase their own copies at retail...
I just can't imagine buying something for Digital. Why should employees be
expected to provide financial support for the employer?
___Pete
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| 4070.33 | | BHAJEE::JAERVINEN | Ora, the Old Rural Amateur | Wed Sep 20 1995 07:23 | 13 |
| �Why should employees be
�expected to provide financial support for the employer?
As a charity to a non-profit organization... ;-)
In fact I have spent some money for DEC - after finding out what the
procedure for buying Visual C++ (V.P.approval) is, I bought it myself.
At least its mine, and I can take it with me and run...
Fortunately, as a beta tester, I have received Windows 95 free from
MS. I think I should consider it too being my property - after all,
I did all the beta testing in my copious spare time...
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| 4070.34 | Rathole alert !!! | ICS::BEAN | Attila the Hun was a LIBERAL! | Wed Sep 20 1995 09:07 | 10 |
| re: <<< Note 4070.32 by HERON::KAISER >>>
<I just can't imagine buying something for Digital. Why should employees be
<expected to provide financial support for the employer?
We've (nearly) all been doing this for years! Just look at your
"corporate" credit card. And, do you own any stock?
tony
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| 4070.35 | HOME, alone | 36677::GINGER | Ron Ginger | Wed Sep 20 1995 10:08 | 6 |
| To keep this 'spending money on DEC' thread going, just look at the
home-alone program. I get to supply DEC with office space, heat, light,
etc. I get to buy my own PC so I have a way to connect to the net,
albeit only as a dumb terminal so I cant do any real net work- no web
etc.
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| 4070.36 | I could use it now, too | QUICKP::KEHOE | Mr. QuickPIC | Wed Sep 20 1995 15:11 | 13 |
| I agree with those who pointed out that we knew this day was coming
(Windows 95 has been coming out and retreating for over a year now).
In sales support I started getting calls from my customers to come
and talk about rolling out Windows 95 and would applications work
under 95, etc. See note 4124: people are ready to roll.
People are looking to me to provide answers for the future and give
direction. Like engineering, I needed 95 the day the bits gelled.
Trying to get a beta copy was even harder (since by job I am not
a developer.)
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