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Conference 7.286::digital

Title:The Digital way of working
Moderator:QUARK::LIONELON
Created:Fri Feb 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5321
Total number of notes:139771

3993.0. "Digital notebook service gets a "C" from PC Magazine readers" by MAIL1::MICEK (They're God's rock stars) Thu Jul 20 1995 12:07

    Once again, the cry goes out to our friends in PC marketing and media
    relations to find those nasty reporters and give them the flogging they
    deserve for printing misleading information about our PC products'
    reliability...
    
    In the July edition of PC Magazine, a feature article on PC Service and
    Reliability gave Digital an overall rating of "C" on our notebook
    systems (page 254).  The ratings take into account four measurements:
    
    *  Satisfaction with reliability
    *  "         "  with repair experience
    *               with technical support
    *  Units needing repair in the first year
    
    We received a "C", despite being equal to, or surpassing "A" performers
    Compaq and Toshiba.  Ratings for Compaq, Toshiba, Digital, and the
    survey average are below (copied without permission, of course).
    
    + Better than average     = Average         - Below average
    
    Vendor (and # of	Units	 		
    responses)		Needing			     Tech	Buy	
    			Repair	Reliabiltiy  Repair  Support	Again?
    
    Compaq (791)	24% +	   8.4 +      7.5 +   7.8 +     7.6  +  "A"
    Digital (51)	18% =      8.3 =      7.9 =   7.7 =     7.3  =  "C"
    Toshiba (889)       19% +      8.5 +      7.4 +   7.5 +     8.0  +  "A"
    AVERAGE             28%        7.9        6.9     7.1       6.6
    
    Certainly, we didn't have too many responses to our product, but these
    results are misleading.  I harldy feel we should be lumped in a group
    with Tandy, Texas Instruments, ZEOS and Epson when our scores are
    considerably higher across-the-board...
    
    Come on, PC Magazine, give us a "B" at least!!!
    
    Regards,
    
    Marc
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3993.1ROMEOS::DARNELL_DAThu Jul 20 1995 18:545
    Our ink jets also got "C's" in PC mag.
    
    
    David
    
3993.2QUARK::LIONELFree advice is worth every centThu Jul 20 1995 19:123
But our desktops got an A, I think.

			Steve
3993.3another positive ratingMUDIS3::FISCALA VAX, A VAX, my kingdom for a VAXFri Jul 21 1995 04:5434
Hi 
I found the results of a customer survey in the latest issue of the
German monthly 'PC-Welt' (8/95) which are very DEC-friendly.

             |  very good  |    good   |  acceptable   |  poor  |   bad
_____________|_____________|___________|_______________|________|__________
general      |  Actebis    |   Atelco  |  Compaq       | ASI    |   Escom
satisfaction |  DEC        |   Dell    |  IBM          | Vobis  |   Pacomp
             |  Gateway    |   Okano   |  Packard-Bell |        | 
             |             |   Peacock |  SNI          |        |
_____________|_____________|___________|_______________|________|__________
reliability  |  Gateway    |   Atelco  |  Actebis      | Escom  |   Vobis 
of PC        |             |   Compaq  |  ASI          | Pacomp |
	     |		   |   DEC     |  Dell         |        |
	     |		   |   Okano   |  IBM          |        |
	     |		   |   SNI     |  Packard-Bell |        |
	     |		   |	       |  Peacock      |        |
_____________|_____________|___________|_______________|________|__________
repair	     |	Actebis    |   Atelco  |  Compaq       |   ASI  |   Escom
service      |  DEC        |   IBM     |  Packard-Bell |	|   Pacomp
	     |	Dell       |   Okano   |  SNI	       |	|   Vobis
	     |	Gateway    |   Peacock |               |        |
_______________________________________________________________________________

Surprising - in the negative - for me is the disastrous result of Vobis
in a published form. 
This result does not give any percentage rates, but rather indicates general
customer satisfaction. 
Important is that we are rated 'very good' and the PC-freaks read it.
I only can hope that they know who 'DEC' is - 
what did you say about 'our friends in PC marketing', Marc ?

regards
Artur
3993.4Ahaaa HaaaaANGLIN::BJAMESI feel the need, the need for SPEEDFri Jul 21 1995 16:4711
    What the heck does PC magazine know?  I took my brand new Ultra475
    Hi-Note into my customer the other day and they loved them.  In fact
    they are going to order several for their executives for a mobile pilot
    that is being considered for the whole company.  So, we build great
    notebooks that are well received in the industry and are in demand.
    
    PC mag is a rag like any other rag and face it, no one make a go/no go
    decision about whether or not to buy a product without inspecting it
    first and taking it for test drive or seeing it in a store somewhere. 
    I suspect that if they ran an article which studied how many people
    *actually* bought from the user guide that would tell you something.
3993.5QUARK::LIONELFree advice is worth every centFri Jul 21 1995 17:349
Some context - the PC Magazine survey referred to was collated from user
surveys sent to them.  It was not HiNote specific - anyone who had bought a
DEC notebook (such as the Tandy and AST clones) could respond.  This
article rates a company's SERVICE, not the intrinsic quality of a particular
product or set of products.

The title of this topic is misleading - I'll change it.

				Steve
3993.6REGENT::POWERSMon Jul 24 1995 09:3521
>   <<< Note 3993.4 by ANGLIN::BJAMES "I feel the need, the need for SPEED" >>>
>                                -< Ahaaa Haaaa >-
>
>    What the heck does PC magazine know?  ....
>    
>    PC mag is a rag like any other rag and face it, no one make a go/no go
>    decision about whether or not to buy a product without inspecting it
>    first ....

Well, I have participated in customer intervies in this area (for printers,
not PCs), and while people seldom make a GO decision based
on magazine reviews (or personal recommendations from friends
or other sources), the DO make NO-GO decisions based on negative reports.

The logic:  Why waste time testing a product others have found flawed?
Just test or try out the ones that have some promise (good reviews),
and make your own judgement from there.

A bad review can be a killer, but a good review just opens the door....

- tom]
3993.7Hey, put that title back!MAIL2::MICEKThey&#039;re God&#039;s rock starsMon Jul 24 1995 10:4723
    My base note was actually intended to point out that at the surface,
    this "readers" review reflected poor service and support from Digital
    on our notebook line.  When you actually look at the results, however, 
    you'll notice that the readers thought VERY highly of Digital's HiNote 
    service and support...just as highly as "A" performers Compaq and Toshiba. 
    
    I felt the title SHOULD REMAIN "Digital receives a "C" from PC Magazine"
    because it was PC Magazine who interpreted the results and decided to
    give us a poor rating...one that was unjustified based on the survey
    results.
    
    I think we deserve better.  Customers may or may not think these
    articles mean a whole lot, but as a sales rep, I like to point out our
    competitors' flaws in business rags because it helps me win.  If I see
    a customer survey that shows poor service by IBM, and I'm in
    a competitive situation with them, I use it if it is appropriate.  
    
    Please, Mr. Moderator, switch the title back and feel free to look at the
    article (July, pg. 254) if you care to :-)
    
    Regards,
    
    Marc
3993.8QUARK::LIONELFree advice is worth every centMon Jul 24 1995 10:584
The title originally read "HiNote receives a C from PC Magazine" which was
inaccurate.

				Steve
3993.9It's not all roses out there ...ZPOVC::GEOFFREYThu Jul 27 1995 06:258
    It's a good thing that *I* never got a copy of the survey form. Having
    a number of problems with Hinote reliability/servicing in our group, 
    not to mention our older AST 386/486 laptops. Massive confusion about
    warranty (or lack thereof), service rates, and response time. I can
    only hope that we take the survey results seriously and look at making
    some improvements.
    
    Geoff