Conference 7.286::digital

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From:	NAME: Bob Mulkey @MLO               
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	TEL: 223-2112                         <MULKEY.BOB AT A1 at ASABET at MLO>
Date:	11-Oct-1994
Posted-date: 11-Oct-1994
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Subject: TWO-WEEK NOTICE PERIOD - RESEND FOR CONFIRMATION                       1
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   Effective immediately, the Computer Systems Division (CSD) has 
   implemented a practice in the United States requiring a minimum of 
   two weeks notice for resignations from the company.  This change in 
   practice will also result in a change to CSD's pay in lieu of 
   notice.  Typically, "pay in lieu of notice" is used in situations 
   where a person is leaving for a competitor or where management 
   deems it in the best interest of Digital to ask a departing 
   employee who resigned to leave the company immediately.
   
   In the past, the practice has been to require four weeks notice at 
   the time of resignation from the company.  The company provided pay 
   in lieu of notice when the manager believed it to be the most 
   prudent business decision.  The change in the requested notice 
   period will mean that pay in lieu of notice in the United States 
   will be a maximum of two weeks.  However, in situations where it is 
   in the best interest of the company to do so, management still has 
   the option to allow an employee to work a four week notice period.
   
   Please ensure that this practice is implemented immediately in your 
   respective United States organizations.
   
   Regards,
   

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��                      <<< Note 3888.2 by SMURF::YELGIN >>>
��                                -< Notice Memo >-

��   Effective immediately, the Computer Systems Division (CSD) has 
��   implemented a practice in the United States requiring a minimum of 
��   two weeks notice for resignations from the company.  This change in 
��   
��   In the past, the practice has been to require four weeks notice at 
��   the time of resignation from the company.  The company provided pay 

    VTX Orangebook says no notice.   

    1) So, the memo is wrong that the previous practice was four
       weeks, assuming it means immediatly previous to the memo.

    2) Which is the definitive answer -- this memo, or
       orangebook, or is it just management whim?

    Ah, my little Beantown Buddy, the Orange Book is sometimes a guide,
    sometimes a Bible.  The author of the memo is correct in theory, if not
    always in practice.
    
>    2) Which is the definitive answer -- this memo, or
>       orangebook, or is it just management whim?
    
    The world isn't always black and white, is it? :^]  Management, to my
    understanding, has fairly broad leeway in some areas to interpret the
    old Orange beast.
    
    								Tex

The Orange book is just guidelines - actual policy is whatever management
wants it to be.

					Steve

    and it just amazes me that this company has no compunction about
    providing a loyal employee (how many thousands) just a few days or at
    most (in many cases) only one weeks notice about being layed off.
    
    am I overly sensitive to this or is there a double standard here?
    
    tony

>    -- I know in your hypocritical way that it makes sense to
>    complain about slurs against the south, by slandering folks
    
    Sorry I couldn't respond earlier...my Klan meeting ran late, I didn't
    have a clean sheet, etc. :^]
    
    I *am* glad to finally see a published policy.  The old one was four
    weeks and some people were shocked when they were escorted out and only
    paid for two.  Times change, but there should be a clear understanding
    of what's expected/to be expected in a employer/employee relationship.
    
    Along the same lines, I've been surprised a few times when I've heard
    a department' policy was to escort the person out the door as soon as
    they put in notice, regardless of their position or duties.  This has
    also made things *extremely* difficult for those of us who remain.  I'd
    like to give credit to some ex-digits I know who, knowing the above,
    worked behind the scenes to hand off projects professionally so their
    fellow employees and our customers won't be affected.
    
    								Tex

    I guess what never ceases to amaze me is this US based, ahem,
    preference (read: paranoia) kiss goodbye and kiss off the
    premises pronto policy.
    
    People here in Holland (and probably other extensive parts of 
    Europe) are given (1) up to 6 months after notice is given and
    (2) even if notice is effective immediately generally at least 2
    weeks to gather things, clean out desks, say goodbyes. 
    
    No special precautions are taken, no guards escorting them to the
    door. Up to now I know of not a single case of disk wiping,
    program booby trapping, destruction of property, secret passing
    of information.
    
    Same Digital, different culture, I suppose...
    
    re roelof

    I always been amused by the lunacy of such policies- does management
    really believe that the second a person tells them of a decision to
    leave, it was the first second the thought ever crossed his mind?
    
    It seems to me if I was going to leave Id simply take care to collect
    all the things I wanted to take, say my goodbye's and THEN tell
    management. As noted before, I recall several people that made such
    project transitions quietly, before telling management they were
    leaving.
    
    Such management policy only serves to make them look very foolish.

��               <<< Note 3888.10 by OFOSS1::GINGER "Ron Ginger" >>>

��    I always been amused by the lunacy of such policies- does management
��    really believe that the second a person tells them of a decision to
��    leave, it was the first second the thought ever crossed his mind?

    Exactly what I was thinking.

    With the way the policy is now written, take the situation
    where the employee wants to start at a new company four weeks
    hence.

    If the employee give four weeks notice, someone may decide
    that the employee is going to a competitor.  Employee is
    given two weeks of pay in lieu of notice.    Pay stops after
    two weeks.   Employee is screwed out of two weeks pay by
    trying to be professional.

    Therefore, employee twiddles thumbs for two weeks, and then
    gives notice.

    On the other hand, I'm not sure how the employee could be
    compelled to divulge where they're going, so it could be
    determined if it was a competitor.  At this point in time,
    I can't seem to recall that information...

    It's odd to have a policy that encourages employees to do
    the 'wrong' thing.

    In my experience, if an employee refuses to say for whom they are
    planning to work, it is *assumed* that they are going to a competitor. 
    In personnel's view (and I've seen this happen), there is little
    or no other reason for withholding this information. 
    
    M.
    

So the employee will lie and say he's not going to a competitor.

    or say s/he is going to rest for a few weeks
    
    tony ;^}

    Actually, if the employee doesn't think his management is on the ball,
    he can tell them he's found his life calling and is going to be:
    
    1 - an organ donor.  Dependent upon the organ in question, this could
    definitely put him out of the running.
    
    2 - a Trappist monk.  Few of these are known to be working for any of
    our competitors, although IBM appears to be employing a number of nuns.
    
    3 - Wang.  This should be good for a giggle, if nothing else, and
    shouldn't cause any concern.
    
    								Tex

    So what's the penalty for not giving Digital proper notice?  If you
    violate policy by telling them you quit effective immediately, do they:
    
    	Terminate you immediately?                      
    	Give you a final written warning?
    	Threaten to postpone your next raise?
    	Write bad things in your next review?
    
    
    				-- edp
    
    
Public key fingerprint:  8e ad 63 61 ba 0c 26 86  32 0a 7d 28 db e7 6f 75
To find PGP, read note 2688.4 in Humane::IBMPC_Shareware.

According to the Orange Book, it could affect eligibility for rehire.

    RE: .16
    
    They could mark your termination paperwork 'do not rehire'.
    
    The last time I was involved in an employee termination, there was a
    box on the termination paperwork which basically asked the question:
    "Would you recommend rehiring this person?" Yes or No. If No, please
    explain why. 
    
    As I understood at the time, this document went into the employee
    permanent file, and if the employee did reapply later on in life (and
    acknowledged they were a former Digital employee) this file would be
    checked.
    
    Not sure if this practice/policy is still in effect or not.
    
    hth,
    
    kjg

re:  -1

It is... 

JK

    So, I guess it does go on your Permanent Record.  An I thought that was
    just a myth...

    .9:
    
    Arian is an adjective which denotes a form of Christology which was
    declared to be heretical in the fourth century.
    
    Aryan is an adjective which describes a set of people with certain
    linguistic characteristics, or (usually pejoratively) "3. In Nazi
    ideology, a Caucasian gentile."
    
    Dick

    Hell, that's OK.  I allus thought it was a mini-van made by Dihatsu! :^]
    
    								Tex

    
    re:last several
    
    Does this mean management can be misconstrued as acting like Nazis? Or
    are we in bigger trouble than that?
    
    Personally I think most human beings do wahtever feels "right" at the
    time they are doing it - Tex notwithstanding ;-)
    
    		the Greyhawk

    .24:
    
    Dunno.  Maybe it's an oblique reference to "religious wars"?
    
    Dick