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Conference 7.286::digital

Title:The Digital way of working
Moderator:QUARK::LIONELON
Created:Fri Feb 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5321
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3856.0. "Bob Palmer's DVN (03-May-1995)" by MLNAD0::ANTONANGELI (The Customer is always left!) Fri May 05 1995 09:43

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              Text of Bob Palmer's remarks at Q4 'Employee Forum'
   
         (Following is the text of President and Chief Executive Officer 
   Bob Palmer's remarks at the Q4 "Employee Forum," which was broadcast 
   over the Digital Video Network this week.  
         (The program opens with a brief video clip about the Personal 
   Computer Business Unit, at whose headquarters the "Employee Forum" was 
   taped.  Bernhard Auer, vice president and general manager, Personal
   Computer Business Unit, opened the telecast.)
   
         My name is Bernhard Auer.  I am very honored, and we are very 
   pleased, that this quarter's "Employee Forum" DVN is originating from 
   here in Acton, Massachusetts, the location of the PC Business Unit's 
   worldwide headquarters.  As you saw in the video, we are a fast-paced 
   crowd.  We have to be, since our industry is a very fast-paced 
   industry.  Digital's success is clearly not just happening.  It did not 
   fall from the sky.  It is the result of hard work, dedicated work, 
   energetic work of all our people.  And it is teamwork.  
   
         Now, on behalf of all employees worldwide, I would like to 
   welcome our president and CEO, Bob Palmer.

   (Applause)
   
         Thank you, Bernhard, and thank you for allowing me to host the 
   "Employee Forum" DVN from the PCBU headquarters here in Acton.  It's a real 
   pleasure to be here this morning.  
   
         This first slide talks about a question that was in the local 
   newspaper here, the "Boston Globe," and it said, "Is Digital Back?"  
   There were a number of articles in the local newspapers about our 
   quarterly performance.  So today, I'm going to explore an answer to 
   that question, probably from about four perspectives.  

         First, from the financial perspective, of course.  I'll talk a 
   little about our products and services, talk about our business 
   strategies very briefly, and where we are in that.  And I'll talk a 
   little bit about customer and employee satisfaction.  
   
         For the financials, you probably read by now that we had a very 
   strong quarter.  That added to the proof points that we're on the right 
   path to returning the company to a competitive level of profitability 
   and growth.  Our net income was $74 million dollars or 44 cents per 
   common share.  If you think about it, that's $257 million dollars 
   better than the same quarter just one year ago.  The total operating 
   revenues were up some 6 percent to three and a half billion dollars -- 
   from $3.3 billion in the corresponding quarter a year ago.  Our product 
   revenues were up 12 percent, the fourth consecutive quarter of year- 
   over-year product revenue growth.  
   
         This chart -- you see it from time to time -- refers to [revenue 
   growth] on a quarter-by-quarter, year-over-year basis.  You can see 
   that starting in FY '94, we began to see a resurgence in our product 
   growth by a segment.  We saw that our services growth also began to 
   recover from a long decline.  New services, like our Multivendor 
   Customer Services, were growing fast enough in the last quarter to 
   offset those declines.  So we've seen strong growth in our product 
   orders for the fifth consecutive quarter, on a year-over-year basis.  
         We've been continuing to work on the operating expenses.  Our 
   operating expenses were approximately $1 billion dollars during the 
   quarter, which is down 19 percent from the $1.3 billion dollars that we 
   had the previous year, same quarter.  
   
         And perhaps most importantly -- or at least among the most 
   important, certainly -- was that for the first time in five quarters we 
   generated positive cash from operations.   Three hundred and 
   twenty-three million dollars.  It's been a long time since we were able 
   to generate cash from operations.  We were able to stabilize our gross 
   margins at just over 32 percent, after a continuous decline in gross 
   margin for the last six years.  So that's a major accomplishment with 
   stabilizing the gross margins.  This particular quarter, Q4, of course 
   we're working very hard to not only stabilize margins but to increase 
   them.  
   
         And after all that, the balance sheet continued to strengthen.  
   We ended the quarter with $1.47 billion dollars on hand in cash, which 
   is $333 million, or a third of a billion dollars more cash than we had 
   at the end of the previous quarter.  
   
         So the company is very healthy from a balance sheet perspective. 
   We returned to profitability for the second consecutive quarter.  We've 
   had growth in our products and services.  On the product side, if you 
   adjust for the fact that we've sold some of our businesses, the actual 
   growth would have been on the order of 20 percent.  Actually, a little 
   over 20 percent on a year-over-year basis.  
   
  Media, analyst reactions
   
         I thought it might be good to cover what some of the media and 
   analysts were saying about the quarter.  I've got some quotes here.  
   The first one says, "Further evidence that the computer maker's 
   turnaround is well under way."  This was in the "Wall Street Journal' 
   on April 20, after our announcement.  

         Another says, "Analysts expect profits to continue."  Certainly 
   we expect that.  I know you're working hard to make sure that's the 
   case.  That was from the "New York Times."  
   
         Another one was that  "They were in a position to say with some 
   pride that they have weathered the worst of a terrible storm...".  It 
   certainly has been difficult, and that's been recognized by Tom Wilmott 
   of the Aberdeen Group, which is an industry focus group.  
   
         Another, from Jim Johnson at Standish Group, is saying that "The 
   patient is a lot healthier than six months ago."  A tremendous amount 

   of improvement in just the last nine months or so, since we started on 
   our new business model.  
   
         Another one from Steve Milunovich, who's an excellent analyst at 
   Morgan-Stanley.  He's been following us for I've forgotten how many 
   years.  But it's the first time he's said anything positive about us.  
   He's been very negative on the company.  He said, "They've certainly 
   come a long way in the last 12 months."  And he says he's beginning to 
   change his perception of Digital's future.  



         And George Elling, who's also at Merrill Lynch, and [has] been 
   negative on the company, is saying, "When people are shopping for a 
   turnaround story, Digital is the name that comes to mind."  
   
         You may have also seen in the latest "Business Week."  It said, 
   "The Turnaround Story for the Third Quarter:  Digital Equipment 
   Corporation."  So we're getting a lot of recognition from analysts and 
   from shareholders, from people that follow the company.  
   
         Perhaps one real measure of that recognition, where people vote 
   with their money, is to look at what we've added in terms of market 
   capitalization to the company since just last June [and] July.  The 
   stock hit a low of $18 dollars in the quarter, which when you multiply 
   by the number of shares we have outstanding, reduces our market 
   capitalization to under $3 billion dollars.  We've added about $4 
   billion dollars' worth of market value to the company, which closed 
   yesterday at 46.  If you look at that times the number of shares, it's 
   about $4 billion dollars of market value from all the hard work of our 
   employees worldwide.  [We're] beginning to persuade the analysts and 
   the financial community that this company is returning to a profitable, 
   growing environment.  



         So that's the financials.  We're getting back on track in most of 
   them.  Now there's a few with room for improvement.  I may or may not 
   talk about them today.  But we're working on them.  
   
  Products and services 
   
         What about products and services?  Well, as you saw in the graph, 
   the demand for the products and services is coming from the trough and 
   beginning to improve rather dramatically.  This company is 
   exceptionally well-positioned.  But well-positioned as fundamentally a 
   two-platform company.  

         There are two architectures here that complement each other.  The 
   Intel architecture -- which has won almost all of the desktops, as you 
   know, worldwide, and is what our PCBU is all about.  All the way from 
   the mobile and portable computing to department-level dual and quad 
   processor servers.  That's the Intel architecture, and Digital has the 
   complete line, and the leadership line, of such products.  And then the 
   Alpha architecture, which is the highest performance architecture in 
   the industry, and has been since we introduced it.  So it's two 
   architectures, very complementary.  
   
         Since I'm here at the PCBU headquarters, I think I'll start by 
   talking a little about the accomplishments of this unit.  During the 
   third quarter, the PCBU introduced 10 new Pentium based models in the 
   Celebris family, and eight new Pentium based models in the Starion 
   consumer desktop line.  
   
         The Venturis line, which is the highest volume desktop line in 
   the PC Business Unit, has had a record-setting development time of only 
   22 weeks by the engineering team.  The benchmark in the industry is 
   about 28 weeks.  We had very early market acceptance.  We've shipped 
   more than 100,000 units in the first three months.  On stage up here, 
   among other products, is the newest model of our Venturis line, which 
   was announced on May 1.  

         The PCBU accomplished a very difficult challenge during the 
   quarter, which was to achieve profitability.  This is profitability on 
   a fully loaded basis.  All the accounting things are clean.  The PCBU 
   achieved profit [when] you count all of the puts and takes and 
   allocations and that sort of thing.  That surprised me, really.  Going 
   into the end of the quarter, I thought we were going to miss.  So 
   Bernhard, you guys did an excellent job, the whole team, worldwide -- 
   pulling that out and achieving that profitability.  It's a major 
   accomplishment. 
   
         We really ought to feel good about it.  And I'm glad you do, 
   because there are many people in this Darwinian marketplace of PCs that 
   have been in the business in a professional way much longer than we 
   have, that did not make a profit in the last quarter.  Several come to 
   mind, but I won't dwell on it.  But we're doing well, and we're 
   improving.  
   
         Now, to talk about the Alpha platform accomplishments.  Our Alpha 
   platform revenues were up over 66 percent on a year-over-year basis, 
   and continue to grow like crazy.  On April 11, we announced that we had 
   shipped our 100,000th Alpha system.  If you add up the revenue on 
   products and services from Alpha-based systems since we introduced the 
   product, we've now shipped more than $3 billion dollars' worth of 
   revenue.  
         If you expect to continue -- which we do -- along the lines that 
   we're forecasting, we should have shipped more than four and a half 
   billion dollars' worth of Alpha products and services before our larger 
   competitors ship even their first 64-bit systems.  So we are way out in 
   front in the transition from 32-bit computing to 64-bit computing in 
   the Alpha class machines.  
   
         Across the entire product line, our products and services today 
   are stronger than they've ever been.  We've been recognized externally 
   for these achievements.  We're going to see a series of slides here, 
   talking about some awards that we received.  

         We took six out of 10 of what are called the AIM Technology Hot 
   Iron Awards for Price, Performance and Service, Workstations and PC 
   Products.  Won six out of ten.  This is all competitors. [Out of] all 
   of the competitors in the industry, Digital wins 60 percent of the 
   awards.  
   
         The Alpha Server 2100 was named the best server by the readers 
   and editors of "Datamation" magazine.  "Service News," another 
   magazine, gave its prestigious Innovations in Service Award to Digital 
   for its PC Utility product, which is our complete customer desktop 
   personal service around managing personal computers.  

         We've started receiving all kinds of accolades and recognition 
   for our newest products, which were the Turbolaser products that we 
   announced on April 11.  We're going to show you some very brief video 
   that occurred during the show of that announcement.  But you won't get 
   the full impact of it, I can assure you, as you would [have] sitting 
   there.  
   
         This was really quite an outstanding introduction. It was a lot 
   of lasers and sound effects and all that, that you got some flavor 
   of... It was a very different product announcement from Digital 
   Equipment.  Somebody had noted -- it's something I read afterward -- 
   that anybody who was at the announcement can no longer say that Digital 
   doesn't know how to market.  
   
  'Killer app' for Alpha platform 
   
         We got a lot of attention there.  I talked about this a little 
   bit at my last DVN.  I talked about coming forward with, finally, an 
   application -- a commercial application that was really significant, 
   that really for the first time exploited the capability of 64-bit 
   addressing.  That's what this particular announcement was all about, 
   with our partner, Oracle.  


         Oracle had developed a very large memory database that takes 
   advantage of 64-bit addressing.  And we of course have developed a 64- 
   bit Digital UNIX and a 64-bit Alpha platform for it to run on.  Nobody 
   else has this product.  They're not likely to have it for at least a 
   year, maybe longer.  
   
         Now, very large memory capability allows you to do things like 
   data warehousing and transaction processing that are really orders of 
   magnitude faster, and at much less expense than was ever before 
   possible -- or is possible from any competing systems.  So this 
   partnership between Oracle and Digital, using very large memory, is 
   going to create new markets for us, and create a lot of excitement.  It 
   has already.  
   
         I'll share with you a little bit what some of the analysts are 
   saying about the new Turbolaser announcement.  Terry Shannon at 
   Illuminata says, "This is the crown jewel in the Alpha program."  Barry 
   Willman, who's a very knowledgeable analyst at Goldman-Sachs says, 
   "This presents a very competitive product to the marketplace."  Another 
   quote is, "This is going to be a major turning point," talking about 
   the turning point not only at Digital but also in the industry.  
   Another says, "This is way beyond the mainframe."  On a performance 
   basis, on those applications that are database intensive, this provides 
   much greater performance than a mainframe at much lower cost.  
         There's a quote from Larry Ellison, who is the chief executive 
   officer of Oracle, who participated in the announcement.  He says, 
   "These machines are extraordinarily fast.  It's the biggest change in 
   terms of performance that we have ever seen." -- speaking of Oracle. 
   "We think they're going to usher in a fundamental change in the 
   industry."  
   
         I'll give you a quick look at a couple of clips from that 
   announcement.  First is Pauline Nist, and then we'll see Larry Ellison.  



         (Nist on tape)
   
         Our 32-bit database query should be done by now.  The database 
   query we just ran is an example of the kind of analysis that an 
   insurance company might do to develop a new product.  
   
         Let's say that the company wants to evaluate a new homeowner's 
   policy.  How many households would be prospects for the product?  Can 
   we make money selling it?  We have here a database of 12 and a half 
   million names from all over the country, which we queried based on four 
   criteria:  age, household size, geographic location, and whether their 
   home was built within the last two years.  The result of the search on 
   each of the criteria is displayed on the screen, using SAS.  Out of the 
   12 billion names, we found over 2,000 that fit the criteria.  
   
         With 32-bit processing, the query took 11 minutes and 57 seconds.  
   Now let's put the power of 64 bits to work.  We'll run the exact same 
   query, only this time entirely in memory.  I'll start the search.  
   There.  Now we'll see how long this one takes.  
   
         As I was saying before we stopped, the Alpha Servers give you the 
   most power you can get for your money.  Putting a whole new class of 
   power in your reach.  You can imagine the kind of competitive advantage 

   it can help you achieve.  [Buzzing sound]  It's done already?  
   [laughter]  That was just 17 seconds, versus almost 12 minutes with 
   32-bit addressing.  That's what, a 50-time performance improvement, 
   directly attributed to caching more data in memory.  (End of Nist 
   tape.)
   
         That's just one example, and there are many, many others, that 
   are really too numerous to go through all of them today in this talk.  
   We also have a clip of how Larry Ellison summarized the Turbolaser 
   benefits.
   
         (Ellison on tape)
         So now, by going to 64-bit architectures, we outperform 
   mainframes by going to groups of machines or clusters, managing a 
   single database.  We're also more reliable than mainframes for the 
   first time.  This is a huge change for the industry.  
   
         Someone said, "Well, wait a second, does this mean I have to buy 
   a couple of machines to replace my mainframe?  I know these things are 
   inexpensive, but now I have to buy at least two of them to get the same 
   kind of reliability or better reliability than a mainframe?"  Well, 
   don't worry.  These are expensive "refrigerators."  These are a million 
   dollars apiece.  But that compares pretty favorably with your $20 
   million dollar price tag on a mainframe.  So buy two....
         [laughter  
   
         Or three... 
         
         [laughter]
   
         Use them in a cluster to access your database.  Not only do you 
   get still better performance; you get a system with no single point of 
   failure.  And it still costs you dramatically less than the price of a 
   mainframe computer.  So all of a sudden, with Digital's announcement 
   today, you get machines that are not only easier to program than 
   mainframes, that are not only cheaper to buy than mainframes.  They're 
   also faster, dramatically faster, and much more reliable.  (End of 
   Ellison tape.)
   
         This had a tremendous impact on the audience because Larry 
   obviously doesn't work for Digital.  Or maybe it wasn't obvious, but 
   Larry works for Oracle.  And yet he's talking about his product running 
   on our platform.  In fact, he said a number of things during the 
   presentation that, when he first saw the numbers, he thought a mistake 
   had been made.  He went down to the labs himself to see how the tests 
   were really run.  He also stated at the end of the presentation, which 
   was very impactful to the audience -- [a] sold out, standing room-only 
   audience in New York City -- that he planned to move all of Oracle's 
   financial information, the way they run their entire worldwide 
   business, and move all of the decision support database activity, to 
   Turbolasers.  
   
         But thinking about what he was saying, it's not just the 
   mainframe alternative.  I think one of the most important things is 
   that, when you're talking about $20 million dollar machines with a very 
   high cost of ownership on an annual basis, clearly only a few companies 
   can afford that kind of investment to do data warehousing and to do the 
   kinds of applications that we're talking about here.  


         When you're talking about a million dollars, two million dollars, 
   now you've opened that market up dramatically to a different class of 
   company.  A much smaller company that can begin to take advantage of 
   these very sophisticated techniques for market segmentation and 
   decision support.  So it's creating an entirely new market and makes 
   available to a different class of company that capability that 
   previously was only available to those companies that have the really 
   fat IT budgets.  For those companies, it gives them an opportunity on 
   database applications to greatly reduce their investment.  
   
         I spoke with a customer at this particular show who had never 
   bought from Digital Equipment.  They had been, in fact, totally an IBM 
   shop.  A big health care company.  They're planning to completely 
   redeploy their information technology systems to client/server.  
   
         Prior to this announcement, the chief information officer told me 
   they were planning to go with Hewlett-Packard.  But once they saw what 
   the Turbolaser could do, and they got a couple of early machines to 
   test, they made a decision to go totally with Digital.  And they bought 
   several such machines just for the initial phase of the rollout.  This 
   is the kind of opportunity we have.  For the next year [to] 18 months, 
   we won't have a competitor in this application.  We intend to make the 
   most of that.  

   Business strategies 
   
         Shifting a little bit away from products and services.  We made 
   this tremendous reorganization of the company last July and announced 
   the elimination of our big functions and the matrixes that went along 
   with that.  We talked about organizing by specific business unit.  Each 
   business unit and the leader of that business unit had the opportunity 
   to develop a business model appropriate to the business -- a strategy 
   appropriate to the business -- like the PC Business Unit has developed 
   and is executing.  And these strategies are complementary to each other 
   in the business units.  Sometimes there are some rough edges where 
   there are some minor conflicts.  
         The strategy for each business unit is the responsibility of that 
   business unit.  The strategy for the corporation overall clearly is my 
   responsibility and my direct reports', the division vice presidents and 
   the support people of the president's office, you might say.  We have 
   to see that the strategy for Digital Equipment Corp. is really more 
   than just the sum of the individual strategies.  That is, if you think 
   about it from the customer's perspective -- which is the best way to 
   think about things -- we bring more than just the collection of 
   activities by business unit.  We bring a complete portfolio of 
   capabilities -- of service, of software, of products, of support -- 
   that very few of our competitors can bring on a worldwide basis.  Our 
   strategy, looking forward, has to build on that.  
         What we've been doing...is trying to assess what are Digital's 
   clear technical capabilities?  What are our product capabilities, our 
   service skills, our software skills?  What's in our portfolio, you 
   might say?  And [we're] looking forward in the industry for the next 
   four or five years.  We're not going to go into the next century and 
   all of that.  We're not talking about blue sky here.  We're talking 
   about close in and practical.  What's happening in the information 
   technology industry, and how is that likely to provide opportunities to 
   this company?  Which of those opportunities do we most want to go 
   after?  That's an activity that has been going on for some time, but 
   [it is] more focused lately.  It involves technical people and business 
   people from throughout the company.  A large number of people, in a 
   very structured process.  It's being assisted by Bain & Company, which 
   is a consulting firm.  
   
         The issue there is to work on a strategy that makes sense for the 
   entire corporation [and] takes advantage of our capabilities.  As that 
   gets further refined, we'll be talking about that in subsequent DVNs 
   and other communication vehicles.  But you can be sure that it builds 
   primarily on our strength around distributed client/server networking.  
   Certainly that's changing, as we move to wireless networks and mobile 
   computing.   


         And it [the strategy] looks to, where can we add value there or 
   take advantage of that?  On the software side, it looks to, what 
   software should we provide to enable customers to really deploy and 
   successfully manage distributed computing networks and client/server 
   three-tier architectures.  
   
         Now, if you talk about each of the business units, and coming 
   back to their strategies, I just wanted to hit a few highlights that 
   were achieved during the quarter.  This a rather broad brush that I'm 
   going to be using this morning.  I'll start with CSD (Computer Systems 
   Division).  

         The progress that CSD has accomplished is just outstanding.  
   Really unprecedented, in my experience, in terms of reducing the 
   expenses and implementing an entirely new business model, the SBU 
   (Systems Business Unit) and the ABU (Accounts Business Unit), on the 
   fly, and moving well on their way to achieving a very aggressive goal, 
   which was to achieve a profitable business in the Computer Systems 
   Division, as we exit the fiscal year, for the Systems Business Unit.  
   
         How are we going to do that?  We started last year with huge 
   losses, and in one year's time, to achieve a break-even run rate in the 
   SBU and the ABU.  We're making tremendous progress on it, and a large 
   part of that $257 million dollar improvement that I talked about was 
   because of that success.  
   
         The success of the PCBU: again, you grew 60 percent.  Year over 
   year, on a quarterly basis, it's about three times the growth weight of 
   the market.  Our products are continuing to receive rave reviews, 
   particularly the notebook products, and the fact that you're able to 
   refresh all of the products continuously as you see up here.  
   
         I see some new products that I just was exposed to this week that 
   we're not announcing today.  They're really incredibly exciting 
   products.  I'm very proud of what you've been able to accomplish here.  

         Look at Storage:  Our Storage group exceeded their plan in both 
   revenues and profits, and they're growing at about four times the 
   market rate.  
   
         The Network Products Business again was also above plan, in terms 
   of revenues and profits.  And you see, Network Products is beginning to 
   get recognized again by the external media or public relations.  
   Digital had been out of view for some years.  Now we're beginning to 
   get recognition for the fact that we're the only vendor of any size 
   that has competitive products in all three areas of network products -- 
   in switches, in routers, and in hubs.  We're getting very positive 
   response to the fact that our intelligent network products, which 
   combine all of the functionality of those three formerly discrete 
   capabilities into single products, are leadership products with the 
   highest performance.  We've also got a new architecture that's being 
   rolled out right now in Netware Products, called the enVISN 
   architecture, and it's getting accolades as well.  
   
         Multivendor Customer Services continued to be the strongest 
   business unit in terms of both profits and cash flow.  That business 
   unit represents about 28 percent of the revenues of the company, and is 
   the strongest contributor by far in terms of profitability.  The 
   challenge for us is to continue to grow the profitability of all the 
   other business units, as MCS looks for new services to grow their 
   business, to offset the decline in traditional maintenance services.  
   Which are not required to the same extent that they once were, because 
   of the greater reliability of our products as we go forward.  
   
         Digital Semiconductor was also above plan, with a large 
   sequential improvement in their margins, and they executed a number of 
   important strategies to keep us in absolute leadership in terms of 
   price/performance.  You may have seen some stuff in the news about 
   various competitors announcing that next year, they're going to have a 
   chip or two chips that are more powerful than Alpha.  Of course, 
   they're talking about something they're going to have a year from now 

   if they're lucky.  They haven't even shipped these products from design 
   yet.  But a year from now, if they're lucky, [they'll compete] against 
   products that Digital is shipping today in systems.  By the time they 
   have those products a year from now in the chip form, we'll be shipping 
   even higher performance integrated circuits and systems based on them.  
   I'm very comfortable we'll be able to stay ahead in terms of 
   performance and price/performance on our Alpha products.  
   
         Our Advanced Technology Group continued to have wins in the 
   interactive video space.  You may have seen that we won a rather large, 
   multiyear contract with Ameritech to provide their platform for video 
   on demand and interactive services.  It's about $40 million dollars, a 
   very large contract.  We've won more than half of all of the contracts 
   that have been let on that type of product, on video on demand 
   products, on a worldwide basis.  More than half.  And Oracle's won 
   about half of the remainder.  So between the two companies, we're 
   winning almost all of the competitions.  
   
         These are really excellent accomplishments.  When you think about 
   it, those are by business units and products.  If you think about it by 
   geography, every geography met their objectives.  And in many cases, 
   most cases, while they were undergoing significant restructurings of 
   the business, and dealing with all the local issues and local laws, 
   that in some cases make it very difficult to restructure operations.  
   Even in the face of all of that, they achieved the objectives on a 
   geographic basis.  
   
   Customer, employee satisfaction 
   
         Now the issue about business units in geographies, I should 
   mention again, is we have to maintain a balance.  We do business in 
   local countries, according to local customs and laws.  We run the 
   company by business unit, and we look at our customers on a global 
   basis.  And you have to keep these things in balance.  It's not all one 
   or all of the other.  

         Again, not an exhaustive list, but about all I have time to cover 
   this morning.  Because I want to take an opportunity to talk to your 
   questions.  We have made a lot of progress.  And you've got to feel 
   very good about the progress that you have made and will continue to 
   make.  We've talked about strategies for the corporation.  I think one 
   of the important things that's going to be happening on May 8 at DECUS, 
   is we'll be talking to our primarily OpenVMS customers, which are the 
   people that usually show up at DECUS, about more detail on the software 
   strategy, around operating systems.  
   
         We're making it a lot clearer, what we suggest as a migration 
   path for those who want to migrate.  Or tools and methods that enable 
   them to hang on to legacy applications on OpenVMS, new opportunities 
   for OPENVMS, and new capabilities for OpenVMS, that we're adding and 
   engineering into it.  As well as how VMS will interoperate with UNIX 
   more effectively, and how it will be essentially seamless with Windows 
   NT.  We'll be talking in great detail about that part of our software 
   strategy on May 8.  So that's a big piece of the strategy. And more and 
   more of that will roll out.  
   
         Strategy is very complex.  It's a dynamic thing.  It's not one of 
   these things you finish, and then that's it.  It's constantly changing, 
   because the environment that you're competing in is changing.  So you 
   keep working on refining that. 
         Finally, I want to talk about our customer and employee 
   satisfaction.  We made a lot of progress in terms of the financial and 
   strategic turnaround of the company.  We're not a turned-around 
   enterprise.  I'm not saying that we have turned around, but we've had 
   some proof points in two consecutive quarters of profit, and increasing 
   profit at that, that say, "We're on the right track.  We're doing the 
   right things to return the company to a competitive level of 
   profitability."  But you never really get there unless your customer 
   satisfaction is among the leaders, and the employee satisfaction is 
   among the leaders.  


         Now, we're behind in both of those areas, and that shouldn't be 
   any surprise.  With all of the transition that we've had to go through 
   the last few years, it's not a surprise that the morale in the company 
   is not where we want it to be, but it's clearly improving.  
   
         We did a worldwide survey on employee input and employee morale.  
   We have that data.  My challenge to the business units and the 
   geographies is to use that data to address the most pressing employee 
   concerns.  You may have some questions about that later.  
   
         The issue is, this is a multiyear program.  We've got to work on 
   it together to improve the environment for employees, so it's a fun 
   place, a lot of positives, and we enjoy coming to work and 
   contributing.  You have an environment where you can grow personally as 
   much as you're capable of growing and can contribute.  You certainly 
   have had that in the PCBU here.  We've had it in other pockets 
   throughout the company, but it's not uniform.  So the objective is to 
   get all of the company feeling positive and growing again, so far as 
   employee morale is concerned.  
   
         With respect to customers, again, it's not surprising that when 
   you go through one of those downturns, it takes time to rebuild 
   customer confidence.  The most important thing we can do is to continue 
   to be profitable, so that customers don't worry about our profitability 
   and they're able to evaluate our products and services on their own 
   merits.  If we continue that, there's no question that customer 
   satisfaction will improve.  
   
         Another area we've got to focus on [is] being more predictable, 
   particularly on our product deliveries to the customers.  Our 
   predictability in that area needs a lot of improvement.  We've got 
   people working on it, but that's an area of focus for us.  
   
         As we continue to return to profitability, the challenge for 
   management is also to develop more sharing of compensation and benefits 
   with employees.  We're dedicated to doing that.  We first have to be 
   profitable, and we need to be solidly profitable.  We've begun to 
   address the compensation issues.  We haven't solved them all, by any 
   means.  It'll be some time before we completely revise our benefits and 
   compensation programs, so that we're very competitive.  But that is our 
   objective, and it has to be done as we can afford it.  But we're making 
   great progress on it.  
   
         I think I'll close here pretty quickly so that you can ask some 
   questions.  But I think it's worthwhile [to] take a minute, feel good 
   about what we've accomplished.  We've accomplished an enormous amount 
   working together in a very short time.  The last nine months have been 
   spectacular, as we saw that analysts have noted.  We've got a lot more 
   work to do.  And as I said in the last DVN, this is not the time to be 
   complacent.  We can't say, "Gee, happy times are here again.  Let's 
   start spending," and all of that.  We've got to be focused on the same 
   things we were focused on before.  That is, continuing to control our 
   costs, and getting those costs down so that we can be profitable, not 
   only in Q4 -- which would give us a profitable year for the first year 
   since FY '90.  If we have reasonable profitability and make our goals 
   in Q4, we'll have a profitable fiscal year.  
   
         That's very important in terms of our customer satisfaction and 
   their perception of Digital.  We've got to get those costs in line, 
   because Q1 for Digital is seasonally a very difficult quarter, with a 
   significant decline in revenues.  The cost structure has got to be in 
   place so that we can be profitable in Q1.  So we've got to do that.  We 
   have to focus, as I said, on customer and employee satisfaction.  We've 
   got to continue the focus on cash generation.  We have more opportunity 
   there, particularly in accounts receivable and inventories.  
   
         [There's] a lot more we can do there to generate more cash for 
   investment, so that we can grow our businesses more rapidly.  This 
   business -- the PC Business Unit -- could grow more rapidly if we had 
   more free cash to invest.  We don't.  And so it's got to grow at the 
   rate that's affordable.  That would be true of several of our business 
   units, actually.  We need to get that cash so we can invest for 
   profitable growth.  So stay focused on cash.  Stay focused on customer 
   satisfaction.  Continue to work hard together.  There's no question 
   we'll continue this turnaround and be successful.  
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                    Q&A from Q4 Employee Forum DVN
   
         (Following is the transcript of the question-and-answer session 
   that followed President and Chief Executive Officer Bob Palmer's 
   remarks at the Q4 "Employee Forum," which was broadcast over the
   Digital Video Network)
   
         As I came in the door, somebody was telling me that there is a 
   rumor going around that we intended to sell the PC Business Unit.  This 
   is an absurdity.  I don't know where these rumors come from.  I don't 
   know if you heard that rumor.  Maybe I'm starting a rumor.
   
   (laughter)  
   
         This is complete, total and utter nonsense.  You know, we have 
   invested heavily in this business unit.  It is the cornerstone, one of 
   the key of two platforms.  A major platform of our strategy.  That's 
   just nonsense.  So when you hear that, please just put that in the 
   shredder.  Don't think about it.  And in fact, most of the rumors you 
   hear deserve the same treatment:  into the shredder.  Ask your 
   management.  If there's something really going on, they will know about 
   it.  Other questions?  
   
         Q: Now that we're seeing big measurable signs of the 
            company's turnaround, what plans do you and your staff 
            have for re-establishing Digital as one of the best 
            companies to work for?
   
   A:  All employees have a stake in that.  All of us.  It's management's 
       responsibility to create an environment where you enjoy coming to 
       work, and where you can see personal development as well as the 
       company's development.  That's the kind of environment we want at 
       this company.  
   
       We had that at one time at Digital, where it was tremendous fun to 
       come to work, and everybody felt good.  And we got a little 
       complacent.  The world changed, and we didn't want to change.  We 
       didn't want to deal with the changes.  The longer we put that off, 
       the more painful it was for all of those who had to deal with it 
       later.  We are dealing with it.  We are going to continue to deal 
       with it.  And we're going to return to an environment -- not the 
       same kind -- but with the same attributes, the same value system 
       that I always talk about. The same things that make us what we are, 
       who we are as a company, in terms of our values and our behaviors, 
       but also that continues to share with employees the benefits of 
       your hard work.  
   
       At this point in turning around the company, basically it's keeping 
       your jobs, having some modest improvement in personal compensation.  
       And as we do better, better improvement in compensation -- again, 
       with an emphasis on paying for performance.  You'll see in the 
       management ranks in particular much more variable compensation that 
       depends on Digital performance, as well as business unit-specific 
       performance, as a component of total compensation.  
   
       Other areas that I'm particularly concerned about have to do with 
       the long-term benefits, like the retirement programs that we have 
       throughout the world, and other employee benefits that we are 
       analyzing to see what is our competitive position.  What are some 
       opportunities we would have, as we gain more profit, to share that 
       with employees?  So the issue is clearly on my mind:  creating the 
       right environment.  
   
       But it's up to all of us.  You can't wait, as an employee.  I mean, 
       you have to act and behave in order to bring about change in the 
       way that you think is appropriate and consistent with the value 
       systems.  And that's your management's responsibility.  But this is 
       a major effort in terms of the company, and something we're focused 
       on.  
   
         Q: The Internet arena is very hot.  And yet we don't seem 
            to read a lot about Digital in it, in terms of joint 
            ventures, programs and so on.  Can you give us some 
            idea of where we are and where we're going?
   
   A:  Digital is actually taking advantage of the Internet to sell our 
       own products.  You probably know we have a Web server that allows 
       customers and potential customers to log onto.  There's over 6,000 
       pages of information about our products and services available 
       through that server.  I believe we have on the average about 
       150,000 such inquiries on a weekly basis that come in to take a 
       look at what's going on.  Maybe even more frequent than that.  
       So that's one use.  
   
       You also probably know that Digital was the first company to 
       provide customers the opportunity to actually test their software 
       on our Alpha platforms over the Internet, through a server.  So 
       that's very impressive.  A lot of people have looked at how their 
       software would actually perform on our products. 
   
       We developed a security system and a server that has a firewall for 
       customers.  We sell that as a service and a product to customers.  
       It's been relatively successful, but I think we could do better.  
       So we have an Internet Business Group in the Advanced Technology 
       Group that is looking for opportunities not only to be involved in 
       Internet, but to make money, which is a different issue.  I think 
       that over time, you'll see Digital be more aggressive in that 
       space.  I'd like to be more aggressive [there].  But we are taking 
       advantage of it.  
   
         Q: We seem to have made a decision to split our business 
            strategically between the two architectures, Intel and 
            Alpha, as opposed to the way people use our systems.  
            I'm really curious as to why we may have done that, 
            instead of looking at clients as a business unit, and 
            servers as a business unit, regardless of 
            architecture.  
   
   A:  I think that's a good question.  There are any number of ways that 
       you could slice and dice the company, and that would certainly be 
       one.  The issue really had to do with -- at the place that we were 
       in our development -- my desire to keep in particular the PCBU 
       entirely separate from the rest of the company.  It's very 
       separate, so that you could develop the business practices 
       appropriate to the PC industry, which were quite different than 
       [those of] the minicomputer industry.  My fear was that, if we had 
       gone to that particular partitioning, you would have had the PC 
       desktop client environment caught up with the more traditional 
       minicomputer way of doing everything, which in general is much 
       slower than the PC market will permit.  
   
       Now as we go forward, clearly what we're trying to do is take more 
       and more of the attributes of the PC marketplace, which is the bulk 
       of the computing marketplace today.  And take those same techniques 
       and urgency into our more traditional minicomputer way of designing 
       and developing.  
   
       But there are also very different attributes.  The customers who 
       are buying for enterprise-level computing are looking for features 
       that are not today available in PC-based platforms either on the 
       service side.  Over time, they will be.  And over time, the 
       operating systems that are popular on PCs and servers will have 
       those attributes.  But not right away.  
   
       So it seemed like, for the place where we were in our history, and 
       the marketplace, and where things were in their development, this 
       was the best way to partition the company.  But there are many 
       other ways we could look at it.  
   
       My objective...lest you be confused about any of these remarks, is 
       for at least fiscal 96, I'm not planning any major changes.  I 
       think it's important that we try to have some stability in the 
       business units.  We'll learn some stuff in the next year.  We'll 
       find some things that are not working terribly well about the 
       current organizational structure.  We'll see some opportunities to 
       make it better.  But we need some stability and some time before we 
       start futzing around with organizational changes.  Clearly, though, 
       as we address our customers -- and that's talking about the overall 
       corporate proposition -- we address our customers in terms of our 
       total portfolio of services, software and products.  
   
         Q: If a customer wants to order PCBU parts, they have to 
            place an order to the PCBU and likewise to the SBU.  
            Is this inconsistent with our wanting to present one 
            face?
    
   A:  Well, not really.  Typically, the customer in the example you 
       mentioned is dealing with a partner.  The majority now of our SBU 
       and PC products move through partners.  That's a major 
       accomplishment, by the way, that I didn't mention in my prepared 
       remarks.  In FY '93, only one-third of our products moved through 
       indirect channels.  In in the quarter just ended, 60 percent of the 
       products.  So 33 percent in '93, 45 percent last year.  Sixty 
       percent in the quarter just ended.  Which was part of our CSD 
       strategy and our corporate strategy.  They're executing that very 
       well.  
   
       So the issue is that the partner or, in the case of the ABU 
       accounts, Digital's direct sales force, provides access to all of 
       Digital's products and services.  Most often, there's a lot of 
       overlap in these partners in terms of the different business units.  
       Not always, but most often.  This is not terribly different, 
       though, than the really large competitors in the business.  Most of 
       our competitors -- in order to get some autonomy and understand 
       where they're earning money, and where they need to invest -- they 
       also have a business unit structure.  Not all of them, but most of 
       them.  That requires some differentiation.  So it's always a matter 
       of balance.  It's never a perfect world.  
   
       The issue for us, as Digital, is to have a consistent way of 
       behaving.  A consistent way of dealing with our partners in terms 
       of terms and conditions.  And something that's consistent and 
       appropriate to the particular business.  That is, the terms and 
       conditions for the PC Business Unit are slightly different than for 
       the systems business.  But only slightly.  So the issue is to try 
       and be easier to work with.  We have a lot of opportunity to 
       improve that.  And I think, in FY '96, we'll see us as a management 
       team working to make it easier for our partners to do business with 
       us.  Other questions?  
   
         Q: You mentioned when you started that there's no plan to 
            sell off the PC Business Unit.  But are you still 
            entertaining ideas on selling off other parts of 
            Digital?  Or are we pretty stable where we stand?
   
   A:  I think that we'll continue to evaluate pieces of the company.  
       That's a very good question.  Something I didn't talk about in my 
       prepared remarks [was] where did the money come from for all of 
       this restructuring?  Where did we get the money?  Well, to a large 
       extent, we generated the cash.  But you know we didn't generate it 
       from operations until the quarter just ended.  We generated the 
       cash by divesting ourselves of pieces of our business, or of 
       facilities, that were really not strategic to the company going 
       forward.  So part of it had to do with understanding what is our 
       strategy going forward, at least at a high level?  And then looking 
       at all of the investments that we'd previously made, many in excess 
       of what the market would support, and finding a way to dispose of 
       those in a profitable way.  
       Really amazing.  You know, since we started this restructuring, 
       we've raised in cash approximately $1 billion dollars.  Billion 
       dollars.  A thousand million dollars that we've used in the 
       restructuring.  We'll continue to look at facilities, business 
       segments perhaps, that are not strategic to the vision that we have 
       of adding value to our customers going forward.  That is not the 
       case of the PC Business Unit and most of the other business units.  
       But within the business units, there might be a segment that we 
       think we could sell to a partner or someone else.  They could focus 
       on that.  It would be more productive for Digital's management to 
       focus on other areas.  
   
       In addition to raising cash, it's also about management's span of 
       control. We want to spend our management attention units on those 
       pieces of the business that have the most opportunity in the 
       future.  So we want to be looking to the future.  And again, that's 
       what the PCBU is all about.  
   
       If you look in each of the business units, they're looking at their 
       portfolio in segments of business, and saying, which ones are the 
       most strategic?  Which ones have the best opportunity for 
       profitable growth?  How would we fuel that growth?  Maybe there's 
       pieces we can divest of, to raise cash to invest in the growing 
       ones.  And that's one advantage of having the business unit 
       structure.  You get it down into hopefully manageable pieces.  
   
       So that will be done mostly by business unit.  Of course, I have to 
       approve anything that's of any significant size.  At this moment I 
       don't think of anything standing here that's a major divestment 
       that's under way. We're continuing to work on getting a partner for 
       investing in our semiconductor manufacturing facility, and that 
       seems to be going pretty well.  It's very complicated.  But we seem 
       to be going well.  I'm thinking that by the end of the calendar 
       year, certainly we should be able to announce a partnership to 
       fully utilize our semiconductor manufacturing capability here in 
       Massachusetts.  But I can't recall any other major ones.  Other 
       questions?  
   
         Q: You discussed our PC and Alpha program.  Could you 
            touch on what the communication strategy is for the 
            company?  One of the advantages is how these machines 
            communicate with each other...and you also touched on 
            the Ameritech deal, which I assume involves telephony. 
            
   A:  Yes, it does.  Yes, I'll talk about that briefly.  We can see, 
       going forward, that the information technology industry, as is 
       broadly defined by computing and communications, is coming 
       together.  And we talk about this convergence.  We talk about the 
       opportunities that you can read about every day in the paper or 
       magazines, about this alliance or that alliance between a telecom 
       company, a computer company, maybe an entertainment company, as 
       people try to figure out what the role is. 
       Digital is entering into a number of minor alliances -- no major 
       big deals at this point -- mostly trying to make sure that we are 
       positioned for whomever wins in these alliances to buy our 
       platforms and services.  And by services, I mean everything from 
       how do you get content into a digitized format, for transmission 
       over an Internet or cable or whatever, but digital format.  We've 
       created some centers to enable that, like the Media Center in New 
       York City.  And there will be others [to] help customers get the 
       content in the right format, to the platforms that enable you to at 
       a very low cost access video streams of data.  And that takes 
       advantage of all of our competencies, in terms of systems 
       engineering, architecture, Alpha architecture, very high 
       performance -- in other words, CPUs -- storage arrays, and a very 
       open and disciplined storage hierarchy that makes it cost-effective 
       to implement this server technology.  Which is why really we've 
       been winning most of those.  This is a key part of our future 
       development.  
   
       There's no question that there is a huge market.  We're continuing 
       to look for opportunities there. I'm very optimistic about that 
       particular future.  I don't know if that's a complete answer.  It 
       really isn't, because the complete answer is a multiple hours 
       answer.  But that gives you some overview, perhaps.  
   
       We're very well positioned there.  And we are winning in the 
       marketplace in competition with everybody, as far as these video on 
       demand servers.  It's not just movies on demand, but much more 
       expansive than that.  You saw we won some ad insertion capabilities 
       for immediate revenue, where cable television operators can use 
       Digital servers to insert ads in a fraction of the time for their 
       local audience, and at a fraction of the cost of previous 
       technologies and methods. That results in an immediate revenue and 
       profit for Digital. So we're not only looking for the future out 
       there somewhere over the ubiquitous communications environment or 
       society -- which is going to happen, and we're going to participate 
       in it.  We're not only looking at that.  We're looking at, right 
       now, what problems can this technology solve for businesses today.  
       
         Q: I think in the current environment I absolutely 
            agree.  We want to do what we can to improve customer 
            satisfaction. I mean, we think that's our central 
            issue, and we really believe in it a lot.  With the 
            distributed business units, it's kind of a challenge 
            getting the right information at the right time to 
            MCS.  What can we do to help improve that customer 
            satisfaction?  Because right now, we know that's what 
            we really need to aim for to make sure the customers 
            will buy again.
   
   A:  I think that's a very good question.  I think that it illustrates 
       one of the glaring weaknesses of our company. Notwithstanding that 
       we are a computer company, we did not invest in the information 
       technology infrastructure to really support what's necessary in the 
       environment we're competing in.  We are investing today, as most of 
       you know, in not only our own infrastructure and deploying a 
       client/server architecture by the business units, but also in the 
       software packages provided by SAP, tailored for the individual 
       business units, as appropriate to their business.  Not every 
       business unit needs the full capabilities available in the SAP 
       offering.  
   
       On the other hand, other business units need capabilities that 
       aren't available, for example, Multivendor Customer Services.  We 
       haven't been able to find a package available, [and] readily 
       customizable that really deals with the complexity of the 
       Multivendor Customer Services business.  So this is a major focus 
       for John Rando and his team.  
   
       The answer to your question is, the only way we can do it is by 
       working across the business units.  The leaders of the business 
       units have to work together to identify the most important issues 
       and work on those first.  It's not going to be quick.  Implementing 
       these kinds of technologies is very expensive.  It takes time.  And 
       it is essential.  So we're allocating a large investment, and 
       upgrading our systems on a worldwide basis to support the business 
       unit structure.  
   
       The other thing is to provide flexibility.  Because as I mentioned 
       before, we will undoubtedly find things we want to change as the 
       marketplace changes or as we get smarter.  We need our information 
       technology systems to support those changes easily.  Not the way 
       they're organized today, which was built up over decades really, 
       and [which was] very geographically focused.  We could get 
       information locally by geography.  But we really couldn't get 
       information cut the way we want to cut it, by customer on a global 
       basis, or by products and services.  Couldn't get it.  We're just 
       working to get that implemented.  This will be a major improvement 
       in terms of our customer satisfaction.  
   
       On the other hand, in the short term, just being able to say to a 
       customer that we're going to deliver on this date -- and then doing 
       it -- would be a big improvement.  A big improvement.  That 
       shouldn't require tremendous improvements in terms of information 
       systems.  They'll help.  But part of this just has to do with 
       discipline and commitment to our customers.  I see that I have used 
       the available time here.  There might be time for one more question 
       if there's one out there. 
   
         Q: As a business unit that purchases other Digital 
            products from other business units, we get into 
            situations at times where the inter-business price is 
            not as competitive and we're robbing Peter to pay 
            Paul.  Is there going to be any revamping of the 
            inter-business price structure?
    
   A:  "Yes" is the answer to that.  The issue that you're talking about 
       is one that exists in all large companies.  I've worked for 
       several, and in all large companies, as they deal amongst 
       themselves, they almost inevitably find that somehow they're not 
       getting the best possible price on whatever it is.  In many cases, 
       this is a perception.  I don't know, it seems to be human nature.  
       But in some cases, it's real. It's demonstrably real, because you 
       can get from a bona fide supplier with a comparable product or 
       service a better quote.  The issue there, then, is for the business 
       units to work with their suppliers and their customers -- just like 
       you would with any other customer.  And when the customer says, 
       "Gee, I've got this thing here, I'd like to keep doing business 
       with you, but you need to be more competitive," then on the supply 
       side, you've got to be.  There's no alternative.  For the company 
       to be competitive in the model that I have, going forward, you 
       can't have one business unit greatly subsidizing another.  
   
       Now, this fiscal year, as we were moving to implement this new 
       structure, we have some cases where we didn't get it quite right -- 
       in fact, in many cases -- and the intra-company transfer prices 
       were not quite right.  They're not competitive, in other words, 
       with the external market.  What we do in terms of reward and 
       recognition is, we solve that at the corporate level, with our 
       teams of accountants, to try to make the puts and takes so that I 
       know, as the chief executive officer, which business units are 
       really performing well and how to make allowances for some of those 
       issues you're raising.  
   
       As we go into the budgeting for 1996, you'll see a lot of changes 
       in the business rules among business units, all of them directed 
       toward that question.  That is, to ensure that no business unit is 
       inadvertently subsidizing some other business unit through transfer 
       pricing.  That's what we're trying to accomplish.  
   
       For that matter, the overall mentality of the company should be to 
       have a minimum of allocations, period.  A minimum of allocations 
       over the transom that you can't do anything about.  Bernhard needs 
       to be focused on those things he can do something about, with his 
       management team and all of the employees in the PC Business Unit.  
       All of the time that he wastes dealing on issues that really he 
       can't do anything about, that just come in over the transom as 
       allocations, are a waste of valuable time.  So I and other 
       managers, all of the operating community of the company, are 
       dedicated to work with Finance to eliminate those allocations.  
   
       One of the things that happens in this process, by the way, is as 
       you start getting these charges, now we begin to question, what is 
       this?  See, in the past, if you weren't measured on it, and you got 
       a charge, hey, no problem.  You weren't measured anyway.  Now we're 
       measured on everything -- the profit, the revenue, particularly the 
       cash and assets employed.  We're rewarded on the basis of how well 
       we manage those things by business unit.  
       So you start looking and say, "Gee, what's this line item?"  And 
       somebody explains what it is.  You think, "Yeah, maybe I don't need 
       that, or if I do need it, can I get that cheaper?"  So we look for 
       opportunities to outsource some of those services, or to buy the 
       products out if we can't get a good price inside.  Initially, you 
       go to your supplier, and you try to work with them like you would 
       with any supplier, and you hope that they'll work with you.  If 
       they don't work with you at some point, the business unit is faced 
       with, "I'm either going to go on having this handicap, or I'm going 
       to find another solution."  And again, being very careful what I'm 
       saying here -- after you've worked with your supplier, if you can't 
       come to a resolution, then each business unit has to have the 
       opportunity to go find the other solution.  Because otherwise, we 
       just kind of all fail together, which is what we were doing.  
   
       What we're going to be doing is winning together.  You have to win 
       by business unit.  You have to have the autonomy and the freedom to 
       be competitive. So cost subsidies and all of that have to be 
       expunged.  It's a good question.  A long answer, but it's a very 
       important question.  
   
       Thank you very much for coming today and doing these questions and 
       answers.  It's been a pleasure to talk with you today, and again, 
       to congratulate you on what you've accomplished on a worldwide 
       basis, to all of our employees.  You ought to feel great about it.  
       But it's not a time to be complacent.  We've got to continue to 
       focus on the things I talked about.  We want to complete this very 
       profitable turnaround for our company, and a resumption of 
       leadership in the industry, which I'm more convinced than ever that 
       we are going to do.