Conference 7.286::digital

    No help, but I suspect the've gotten their money's worth out of the
    hardware and software by now.  What was that RSTS emulator called?
    Last time I used it, it made a 780 run like an 11/34.
    
    Bob

Get in touch with Anton Chernoff, who can probably point you to the right
person to talk about the PDP-11 emulator on Alpha.  I believe there are
customers using it already.

Please drop me some mail to let me know what you find.

___Pete

    re .2: I've only heard of RSX-11M[plus] - does it run RSTS also?
    

The way it was explained to me, it's a PDP-11 emulator,
not an RSX emulator.  I don't know whether it means
you can take any existing -11 O/S and boot it up,
but I'd hope so.

  The emulator on the '785 was probably "Ross-V", sold by Ross
  Systems, I think. I haven't heard of it for years, although I
  think the company is still around doing much different stuff.

  Regarding our emulators: There are several. The one you should
  pursue is code-named "Viking".  Dave Porter is correct: It is
  a PDP-11 processor-and-I/O emulator and could theoretically
  host any operating system including RSTS/E.  (I think RSTS/E
  was definitely on the list of desireable targets.)  I think
  Tom Rarich (MROA::RARICH) is a good contact, but the Viking
  project is certainly described in note 1066 in PROXY::PDP_11.

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                                   Atlant

      There is a product that is currently in development that will soon be
      available, Viking PDP-11 emulator.  Since this is purely a hardware
      emulator (covering most of the PDP-11 hardware family), it should 
      support all Digital PDP operating systems.

      Currently, we have a beta version that boots up RSX11-M and RSX11-M Plus.
      Also, it boots up RT11 and successful compiliations have been performed
      in both of these O/S families.  RSTS is also targetted to be supported.

      This emulator runs on a low cost Alpha platform, computer, Alpha AXPpci 33.
      WindowsNT is the O/S platform which the emulator runs on.

      There will be a field test in May for the first half of the development.

      You may want to contact Sue Thorstensen with product questions.

         Mike

    The Viking PDP-11 emulator is under development, but the design is
    still being worked. We have not yet announced it as a product and
    will not do so until it is much further along; we're not selling yet.
    
    The current marketing plan calls for the emulator to be sold through
    system integrators and distributors. The emulator will need
    modification for most customer installations and it is our intent that 
    consultation and custom work be done by the system integrators. 
    
    Feel free to send me mail if you have specific questions, but please
    do not talk to customers about this product.

    We, the Digital Moscow Software center, have ported VIKING to run under
    OSF/1 on request of TOEM Europe. Porting was easy, took only a few
    weeks. It runs roughly 50% faster than under OpenVMS on the same
    hardware.
    
    I don't know what the marketing plans here are.
    
    Nice to see RSX-11 running again after all these years.
    
    Rob

Rob:

> Nice to see RSX-11 running again after all these years.
    
  Are you sure you don't mean "DOS/RV"? :-)

                                   Atlant

    Maybe we could get Moscow to do a Robin emulator on Alpha. Nothing like
    having the world's fastest box emulating the world slowest PC. Put two
    5 1/4" floppies on that hummer and watchout world. maybe we could run
    old copies of VISICalc on it. Wow!
    
    -OFWAMI-

Now if we could only get TOPS to run on Alpha...... :^)

    Your customer can also check out the products offered by Sector 7.
    
    They have BASIC+ and BP2 emulators for Unix systems.  I recently went
    to training regarding their VMS-to-Unix migration tools (impressive;
    system services, RMS, RTLs, job control, much of DCL all running under
    Unix -- Digital SI is planning a service offering in this arena).
    
    You can get information on the BASIC+/BP2 stuff from Jon Power,
    President of Sector 7.  Send to [email protected].
    
    Our competition has been using Sector 7 to move people off our
    hardware.  It's about time we used Sector 7 to _KEEP_ people on our
    hardware!
    
    -- Russ Pavlicek

    re .11: 10 or 20?

    ...how about a PDPAlpha?

    GranpaGeneration
    
    GranpaServer
    
    GranpaStation
    
      ..... I'll call Marketing.....

    
    re. 12
    
    ...so I was sitting in this meeting, talking about all the OSF
    interoperability tools for VMS, fielding questions about can UNIX do
    this like VMS, can UNIX do that like VMS, does UNIX have this VMS
    product, does UNIX have that VMS product, when the meeting started to
    wind down...so I says...
    
    	Now let me get this straight,
    
    		You want it to WALK like a DUCK,
    		You want it to TALK like a DUCK,
    		But it CAN'T be a DUCK, correct?

> Now if we could only get TOPS to run on Alpha...... :^)

  I don't remember if it was Tops-10 or TOPS-20, but one or both
  has been done. Juts a month or two ago, the toopic came up again
  in one of the notes conferences I read and a pointer was posted.

                                   Atlant

    I thought it was a KA emulator, not a KL emulator.  Last time I
    checked it didn't have extended addressing either...
    
    				-John

    
    Isn't there a PDP-8 emulator around which we could port here?
    I have plenty of Post-grad's who could be interested.
    Oh, if we port it, what could we do with it? :-)
    
    Maybe a special announcement to celebrate the 30th anniversary
    of the PDP-8?
    
    Rob

    yes there is a PDP8 emulator - I think we should get WPS8 up and running
    on an Alpha.  Must be a hugh market for it ... :-)
    
    Chuck

  There are several PDP-8 emulators.

  There's the one that runs in the PDP-11/60 Writable Control
  Store, but I don't imagine you have one of those (an '11/60)
  laying around. For years, the WPS-8 groupo used this as their
  development engine as it was the fastest "PDP-8" available.

  Then there's Bob Supnick's c-code PDP-8 emulator.  It's documented
  in the PROXY::PDP_11 (!!!) notesfile. If you don't already have this
  conference in your notebook and would like to add it, press <KP7> or
  <Select> or type "SELECT" and the conference will be added to your
  notebook.
                                   Atlant

>  There's the one that runs in the PDP-11/60 Writable Control
>  Store, but I don't imagine you have one of those (an '11/60)
>  laying around. For years, the WPS-8 groupo used this as their
>  development engine as it was the fastest "PDP-8" available.
> 

Well, then all you have to do is to implement a
fully-featured PDP11/60 emulator, and you'd be
able to run your PDP-8.

re: KL10 emulator

A third-party does have a KL10 emulator that runs under
OSF/1, I mean Digital UNIX. It supports extended addressing and
runs TOPS-10 V7.04 and TOPS-20 V7.0 O/S's "right out of the box".
Device support includes NIA20 (ethernet), RH20/RP06/RP07 disks,
and TM03/TU45/TU77 tapes. This third-party is currently working
out licensing issues with Digital in order to market the emulator.
There are some current KL10 customers who are eagerly waiting for
this to happen.

    re .21
    
    I still maintain an 11/60 - maybe you can have when the customer
    decides to scrap it....
    
    .mike.
    (Proud 11/780 owner...)

Mike:

  Ahh, but do you have the Writable Control Store option?

                                   Atlant

    
>Device support includes NIA20 (ethernet), RH20/RP06/RP07 disks,
>and TM03/TU45/TU77 tapes. This third-party is currently working
    
    Aren't those MASSBUS devices? What do they connect to on an Alpha?
    Also, what are the access times and transfer rates on RP06s?