Conference 7.286::digital

    Mailstop changes need to be made thru HR...send a mail to
    ICS::USHR, give them your badge # and tell them what your
    correct mailstop should be.  After they change the EMF,
    then your local ELF Administrator updates ELF, you'll see
    the change.
    
    Sue 

    Me too.  I have been trying to get my addess changed from EWO to HSO
    for six months.  I have gone through the Hotline and HR with no
    success.  My manager says my profile has been changed, but ELF still
    shows a facility that is closed.  The Hotline says they can't change
    your mail address.  HR syas it has been changed, but it isn't.
    
    It doesn't seem that hard of a prblem, but I sure can't seem to fix it.
    
    d.c.

>>                      <<< Note 3678.2 by DPDMAI::CHURN >>>
>>                              -< Can't be done!! >-
>>
>>    Me too.  I have been trying to get my addess changed from EWO to HSO
>>    for six months.  I have gone through the Hotline and HR with no
>>    success.  My manager says my profile has been changed, but ELF still
>>    shows a facility that is closed.  The Hotline says they can't change
>>    your mail address.  HR syas it has been changed, but it isn't.
>>    
>>    It doesn't seem that hard of a prblem, but I sure can't seem to fix it.
>>    
>>    d.c.
>>


  This demonstrates just how complex it can get when you don't even
trust people to know and provide their own mailstops.

  8^)

   db

    Contact your manager and request that your EDCF (Employee Data Change
    Form) be updated to reflect your correct site code/mail stop.  

re.0:

Even more annoying than the perennial problem of incorrect ELF details is the
fact that none of the many people contracting for Digital are listed.

Dave.

>Even more annoying than the perennial problem of incorrect ELF details is the
>fact that none of the many people contracting for Digital are listed.

Then it would be ELF and CELF (Contract Employee Location Finder).
Contract employees (like myself) are temps and can come and go too
quickly for ELF maintainers to be bothered (I guess).  I'm a POD 
which stands for "'Planfully' Outsourced Digit"; an ex-DEC employee
hired for my services in technical documentation.  For me, the clock
struck midnight on January first and so far the only two things that
have changed for me have been my paycheck provider and the absence of
Digital distribution list mail from my former organization.  (Well,
other little things go with the territory, too.)

But back to the point - I wonder how cost-effective it would be to maintain
such a transient workforce.

MM

    
    Many of us are on 6-month contracts to one organization.  This is
    sometimes less transient than employee status.  
    
    There is no doubt, and I have heard it OFTEN from my clients:
    contractors are h*****sh difficult to locate at Digital.  There HAS to be
    a better way...
    
    Thought: all contractor status is forwarded weekly from HRD to
    Security.  It should, theoretically, be possible to sidetrack some of
    that information for inclusion into a WEEKLY updated contractor
    database.

    re .last    h*****sh
    
    Vanna, I'd like to buy a vowel please.

	The Corporate Hotline for ELF is dtn 226-5001

>    re .last    h*****sh
>    
>    Vanna, I'd like to buy a vowel please.

They have our number!

     
>>    re .last    h*****sh
>>    
>>    Vanna, I'd like to buy a vowel please.

>They have our number!
    
    Well "they" must have been doing some heavy smoking lately, the only
    thing I can think of that fits h*****sh is hashhish.

    re: .7
    
    >> Thought: all contractors status is forwarded weekly from HRD to 
    >> Security. It should, theoretically, be possible to sidetrack some of
    >> that information for inclusion into a WEEKLY updated contractor
    >> database.
    
    I would like to see Security be able to get the information correct and
    consistent from one building to the other. I work in 2 buildings
    consistently and visit others from time to time, and I find that
    Security has different information on their databases from one site to
    the next (no badge #, name spelled differently, etc,.), besides the 
    difference in Security policies at each site.
    
    It makes an ex-employee feel right at home.
    

    Some contractors aren't so transitory TVM. I started at DEC in Feb
    1986, and three countries and gawd knows how many sites later, here I
    am. I've been back at DEC for more than 5 continuous years, and have
    total service of over 7 years.
    
    The only way I know of to find a Euro-scumbag, is to post a note in
    LOBLO::EURO_CONTRACTOR, and that's a) unoffical, and b) not as widely
    read as it should be. There should be a CELF, even if it's
    self-maintained. Care to set one up anyone?
    
    Cheers, Laurie.

    
    Re. Wayback
    
    Spoilers for the sensitive: that H- word was:
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Hellish (hashish? what's that?)
    
    
       
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    

    ohhhhhhhh  :-)
    
    ed

Except there was an extra asterisk.

    hello Sue
    re .1     I am the local ELF administrator!!! I contacted Elf
    Administrator administrator and he did some administration and now ELF
    shows the correct Location for internal mail BUT VTX Profile still has
    the Black hole one?
    Call me Heath (Ivan)

    VTX PROFILE gets your address from Personnel via EDCF forms.
    If you address is not correct on VTX PROFILE, then have your manager
    correct it on an EDCF form and send it to Personnel.

    I love the replies that include the "...just get your manager to..."
    sentiment.
    
    I've had 8 managers in 10 months and a colleague has had 27 managers in
    4 years.
    
    We reckon we're ahead if we can get expenses signed off.  Getting EDCF,
    or equivalent, paperwork done is likely to be a forlorn hope.

    
    	Don't feel bad. My group hasn't had a manager for three months, and
    every time we appear to see one on the horizon, they quickly disappear.
    We think it's the *new* salary plan ;-).
    
    		the Greyhawk

    re: .20
    
    Ah ...  then that would be "stealth management," no?  These guys
    wouldn't be from Marketing, would they?  
    
    ... No, wait!  I didn't type that!  INCOMING!  Eeeeeyaaaaa!
    a# &afhdj  ^.[Connection closed]

    I am still getting all my mail sent to the wrong Location code
    Please help - If my manager cannot help and HRO cannot help, who,
    where,how can have this rectified.
    Regards Ivan.
    

    How about a warning msg in one of the elf fields you can change.
    

    re .22: Move to this location?
    
    Perhaps I do not understand the problem. My question would be: How do
    people associate me with the wrong location? Your ELF entry appears to
    be correct? Or is it a router problem?
    
    Al
    

    Ivan,
    
    This sounds like a possible All-in-1 Message Router entry problem.  You
    could check with the CNS Helpdesk at 800-332-2468 or DTN 223-2420. 
    Explain to them what is happening, and ask them to check your entry in
    the Message Router.
    
    Renee

Ivan,

	This string is 6 months old, yet only 32 minutes after
	your query, you were (correctly) told that the way
	to get your loc code changed is to submit an employee
	change form.  You were given US specific terms - I think
	that you may have a different term in South Africa
	(like ERC for Employee Request Change) - but anyway
	my point is - this is the process and it would be 
	interesting to know whether you actually did try this?

	Is your mail being incorrectly addressed (and therefore
	badly delivered) or is even correctly addressed mail
	being incorrectly delivered?

	Your current ELF entry bears the hallmarks of some manual
	"adjustments".  (Polit way of saying that someone has 
	been fiddling about).  This is no way to solve the problem.
	ELF is VTX.  VTX infobases are fed by Personnel.  Any
	ELF "administration" fixes will be wiped by permanent
	Personnel records as certainly as the rain will fall
	on my polished car.

	Drive it through HRO and ask them to check up on their 
	feeder dates.

/Chris.

    
    The process in the US (not sure about South Africa), is that your
    manager must change the location code and mail stop on your EDCF form.
    Only (s)he can change it. This is entered into the ELF system from the
    personnel system.
    
    I hope this helps.
    
    Mike

    This is a problem I run into all the time.
    
    People call and complain that they have moved but their mail is still
    going to their old location.
    
    I try to explain, I can only change the extention and mailstop, no-one
    can change the location except HR.
    
    The only solution folks,
    
    Make sure all your paperwork gets to HR and if nothing changes, keep
    sending the same information to them over and over again.
    
    Good luck :>)
    
    
    
    joan

re.28:

>    Make sure all your paperwork gets to HR and if nothing changes, keep
>    sending the same information to them over and over again.

Whilst I agree that this approach will work eventually, it's very 
frustrating. I recommend a slightly different approach; fill out the form, 
then take about 20 photocopies, and stick them in twenty internal mail 
envelopes addressed to HR. Put one a day in the internal post until they 
complain and tell you to stop.

Dave.

re -2.

   Nice one Dave!

   What happens when HR moves to a different location?

   :) :) :)

    re last couple of messages
    
    I am refering to mail as in parcel/letter in the post rather than
    All-In-1
    
    eg see VTX SITES our location is JHB/xx for postage mail from other
    internal locations. We no longer occupy the building referenced JHB/01
    but occupy a building referenced by JHB/02 (I believe this is called a
    Mail-stop?)
    
    All our SOCs etc envelopes etc goes to another building in another
    area. Once in a while, someone goes over and fetches it all.
    
    BTW it is every person in this location that has this problem.
    
    Thanks for the advise on the 20 memo's (He says while the Copy machine
    whirrrs in the background)
    
    Cheers
    Ivan
    

    No change, I sent a memo to the HR manager....in April...not even an
    answer. But still mail <Postal> goes to wrong building.
    
    17/5/96
    Ivan

    No change, I sent a memo to the HR manager....in April...not even an
        answer. But still mail <Postal> goes to wrong building.
    
        Should goto JHB/02 but still goes to JHB/01
    
        27/8//96
        Ivan

    OK! Internal mail now goes to JHB/02 
    (Even if it took two years)
    Ivan

    
    	Wow, and I thought Exchange was slow!!