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Conference 7.286::digital

Title:The Digital way of working
Moderator:QUARK::LIONELON
Created:Fri Feb 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5321
Total number of notes:139771

3550.0. "Lost LTD benefits---You too???" by NWD002::MIDDLEN_TO (Nothing matters. And what if it did?) Mon Dec 05 1994 17:01

Does anyone else out there have this problem????

Check your pay stub (lower right corner) to see if you are getting the LTD
coverage you think you should????

Six months ago I discovered that my long term disability benefit was not at
100% enrollment.  As it was always my intent to have full participation, I
contacted my Human Resources contact and started an appeals process that has
become quite frustrating.  It seems that when the benefits plan was changed
over to the current carrier, if you did nothing to change your LTD enrollment,
the default was to drop you to 50% enrollment.  U.S.Benefits position has been
to reject all appeals that I have seen.  It is my opinion that this was a 
deceptive way of reducing corporate costs and can hardly be called a benefit
if we can't enroll.  I waited for the open enrollment period that closed on
November 18,'94 but found that LTD was not offered for change, (kind of a
closed open if you ask me).  

To cut to the chase----If there are significant numbers of people caught in
this predicament, maybe appealing as a group might be more effective than each
individual being rejected by the appeals process with no recourse except quiting
or lawyers.

---Tom
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3550.1You blew it.NHASAD::BELKNAPSave the planet -- Kill yourselfMon Dec 05 1994 17:077
    Open Enrollment for LTD took place about two years ago and was highly
    advertised (several Email messages, home mailings, posters, VTX, etc).
    
    At the time it was clear to me that this was the only time you could
    make your LTD choice.
    
    Were you living under a rock?
3550.2what??SWAM2::SUKOVICH_ROMon Dec 05 1994 17:217
    Not only that I, considering that I should have some incentive to
    return to work should I become disabled, just, as a part of the recent
    open enrollment, decreased my coverage to 75%. I suspect that had I
    been at 75% this time and planned to long term malinger (just kidding,
    as if anyone plans to become disabled) could have increased to 100%.
    
    Bob
3550.3I wasn't under a rock, I was in a customer's vaultHELIX::SKALTSISDebMon Dec 05 1994 17:2419
    I was in the field at the time, as a software resident working on a
    DOD classified project. We barely had phones in there, let alone a 
    terminal I could dial into the DEC office with. My packet kept bouncing
    between WAO and OFO (my location was WAO, but my district wa in OFO and
    some well meaning mail person in WAO kept sending it to OFO, who kept
    sending it to WAO, etc). I finally got it a week after enrollment
    closed. I asked personnel if there was anything I could do. to sign up.
    I was told that there was never going to be another open enrollment
    UNLESS the price went up, and the only opportunity to change it would
    be if my marital or family status changed. No one told me that there was an
    exception process that I could go through, and I never persued it any
    further because  being at the kind of customer site I was at it wasn't
    really in a position to spend my time trying to fight it.  Tom, I'd be
    interested in persuing it.
    
    Deb
    
    P.S. The only home mailing I got said I'd be getting something through
    interoffice mail.
3550.4Me too!NEMAIL::MCDONALDJMon Dec 05 1994 18:127
    Well, this is news to me.  I checked and am also at 50% ... I don't
    live under a rock and this is probably more surprising to more people
    than we think.
    
    Regarding change of marital status .... does anyone know what you
    should do if this does happen.  For instance, if you get married, will
    you have the ability to make a change?
3550.5ClarificationSWAM2::SUKOVICH_ROMon Dec 05 1994 18:339
    Item 3 on "YOUR BENEFITS AUTHORIZATION" form, which was mailed to each
    employees  home  quite  prior  to  the  November  18th open enrollment
    deadline, is titled DISABILITY COVERAGE. There are three choices; 
    
    1) CORE (50% company provided benefit)
    2) OPTION A (75%)
    3) OPTION B (100%)
    
    One may select an option and enter an effective date.
3550.6I get angry everytime I think of thisHELIX::SKALTSISDebMon Dec 05 1994 18:3519
    >Regarding change of marital status .... does anyone know what you
    >should do if this does happen.
    
    I think that they have a form that you fill out.
    
    >                                For instance, if you get married, will
    >you have the ability to make a change?
    
    I believe that was the jist of it; married (or divorced?). Also, I
    think that I was told that the birth or adoption of a child would allow
    you to enroll. 
    
    Since we pay for any additional coverage, I really don't understand why
    we can't change it. Afterall, the additional coverage isn't costing
    DEC anything (beyond the admin costs of enrolling and payroll
    deduction)
    
    
    Deb
3550.7it maybe on the form, but it isn't an optionHELIX::SKALTSISDebTue Dec 06 1994 13:4821
    RE: .5
    
    >Item 3 on "YOUR BENEFITS AUTHORIZATION" form, which was mailed to each
    >employees  home  quite  prior  to  the  November  18th open enrollment
    >deadline, is titled DISABILITY COVERAGE. There are three choices; 
    >
    >1) CORE (50% company provided benefit)
    >2) OPTION A (75%)
    >3) OPTION B (100%)
    >
    >One may select an option and enter an effective date.

    It may be on the form, but if you read the booklet that they sent you
    in the packet, changing disability coverage isn't an option. The one
    page letter that they sent in the packet says "you can enroll or make
    changes in medical, dental, reimbursement accounts and some life
    insurance options." No mention of being able to change disability
    coverage.
    
    Deb
    
3550.8its more complicated than that!@$%*NWD002::MIDDLEN_TONothing matters-What if it did?Tue Dec 06 1994 14:2123
Re: .1   I followed the procedure at the time & think the other stuff is ok-
         BUT---who knows??  I have a problem with a system that changes 
         your coverage down if you do nothing!  

Re: .2   Can you reduce your benefit but can't increase it???  Bob--- 
         I'd like to verify this before I talk to U.S.

Re: .4   I have a strong feeling that the numbers affected would blow your hair
         back!

Re: .5   I see the block on the form -but- it is not listed in the open
         enrollment book, or among "Your Choices for 1995" on p14.  And the 
         U.S.Benefits rep told me it was not part of the open enrollment. 

Re. .3 & .6  Deb---Your situation is like mine in that I don't feel like 
         I am requesting to have my benefit increases.  I feel like I am
         only trying to correct the benefit back to where it should have 
         been all along.  THEY changed it without my intent and it 
         -should- be fixable!!!

---Tom
         
3550.9Pay for life insurance for the PAST? HA!GRANPA::JWOODTue Dec 06 1994 15:0111
    This reminds me of a problem I had with Life Insurance before we
    changed carriers.
    
    The form was coded incorrectly so if you chose 5X salary for Life
    Insurance, it was entered into the system as 3X.  After 3 years, I
    noticed the error and called to see if I could correct it.  I was told
    that I would have to pay the difference for the period of 3X in order
    to raise my coverage to 5X.
    
    I declined -- why should I have to pay retroactive life insurance in
    order to increase my coverage; I'm glad I didn't die!  ;}
3550.10exitSWAM2::SUKOVICH_ROThu Dec 08 1994 12:5213
    Well; I thought that I was going to be able to select lower coverage...
    NOT.... . I had called the hotline as I filled out my open enrollment 
    forms and the person there said I could lower my LTD to 75% by marking
    the appropriate spot and including an effective date. Today was
    supposed to be the magic day since my effective date was 11/28. It
    is not reflected on todays check stub. This will obviously not help
    anyone trying to increase their coverage. Someone from Utah? was
    asking for the outcome of my attempt to lower LTD coverage figuring
    if decreasing was possible increasing should also be possible.
    
    Regards;
    
    Sukovich
3550.11LTD Alternatives are BetterSOLVIT::CARLTONThu Dec 08 1994 14:0836
    According to the LTD open enrollment info., you can decrease coverage
    in the future, but not increase it until another open enrollment.  I
    remember reading this and specifically thinking I should get the 100%
    option which I could always lower at any time, and keep all my options
    open...
    
    Also, those of you insisting that you didn't want to change your
    previous coverage, that was never an option.  The previous coverage was
    2/3ds of your gross salary, tax-free, paid by an insurance
    company/policy.  The current plan offers 50%, 75%, and 100% of your
    gross salary, TAXABLE, paid for by Digital.  The plan is self-insured,
    just administered by an insurance company.  Key differences here...
    
    If I were in your position, I'd stop wasting time with Digital's
    mediocre disability plan (that's fraught with perils for you), and get
    a better quality plan outside.  Yes, it will cost more, but it is more
    than worth it if you can afford a few extra dollars per week.  I always
    planned to do so when I got my next raise....!  (Still do!)
    
    Things you can get externally that Digital won't provide:
    
    	- inflation protection for the lonnnnggggg-term
    
    	- specific job/occupation protection 
    
    	- portable coverage (ie: leave or get tfso'd from digital, and your
          coverage ceases precisely when you may need it most...)
    
    There's more, but I would encourage you to simply carefully read and
    re-read all the Digital LTD provisions keeping in mind that Digital
    takes your money weekly, decides the terms and conditions of
    disability, has no insurance policy to cover your benefits, pays
    benefits via payroll from company funds that are 100% taxable income to
    you, and now considers this a discretionary fringe benefit...
    
    Good luck.
3550.12No option in 1995 open enrollment?CFSCTC::PATILAvinash Patil dtn:227-3280Thu Nov 09 1995 17:048
Does anybody know why the LTD plan enrollment is not part of the open enrollment
(benefits express) this year. I am interested in changing my optional LTD 
coverage but the benefits express people have never heard of it and did not
provide any clues.

thanks,
Avinash
3550.13Hope this helpsSHRCTR::SCHILTONPress any key..no,no,not that one!Fri Nov 10 1995 09:4810
    It is never a part of our annual open enrollment.  
    
    When the plan changed significantly a couple of years ago, there
    was a special open enrollment for Long Term Disability.  
    
    Details on the plan, including circumstances under which you can 
    make a change, are outlined in VTX BENEFITS_US, under the heading
    "If You Become Sick or Disabled".
    
    Sue
3550.14different Open EnrollmentGRANPA::JWOODFri Nov 10 1995 10:025
    Call PSN at dtn 592-7500 to get LTD Open Enrollment information.
    
    Benefits under VTX (option 32), choose 3, then 1, then 6, then 8 for
    details.
    
3550.15NOTIME::SACKSGerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085Fri Nov 10 1995 11:082
You can only change LTD when you have a change in family status (birth,
adoption, divorce, marriage, etc.).
3550.16Thanks for the info.CFSCTC::PATILAvinash Patil dtn:227-3280Mon Nov 13 1995 11:595
re. last three

Thanks for the explanation.

Avinash