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BGSDEV::TANNENBAUM "TGA Developer" 4 lines 19-OCT-1994 09:40
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If this isn't DEC internal, DELL is offering Windows NT Workstation
V3.5 for $89 per copy.
- Barry
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NWD002::BOTTOMS_DA "It's always something" 18 lines 19-OCT-1994 23:01
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re: <<< Note 1826.12 by BRUMMY::WALLACE_J >>>
� That sounds good. Is that the media price, licence price, or both?
� Do you have part numbers ?
The price and part number is for the Digital Windows NT V3.1
Workstation kit. It is the CD-ROM version (w/3.5" install disk)
and includes license and documentation (Users Guide).
Windows NT V3.1 Workstaion QB-0QRAA-SB $ 9.67
The Digital Windows NT V3.5 kits are supposed to be available from
SSB on 10/28. The part number for V3.5 Workstaion should be
QB-0QRAA-SC (but if your order now with that number, you will only
get V3.1).
-Dale
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OSL09::OLAV "Do it in parallel!" 7 lines 20-OCT-1994 01:11
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> The part number for V3.5 Workstaion should be QB-0QRAA-SC (but if your order
> now with that number, you will only get V3.1).
Why don't we have a different part number for different products??? We are
really difficult to do bisiness with!
Olav
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NWD002::BOTTOMS_DA "It's always something" 12 lines 20-OCT-1994 18:22
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RE: <<< Note 1826.16 by OSL09::OLAV "Do it in parallel!" >>>
�Why don't we have a different part number for different products??? We are
�really difficult to do bisiness with!
It is a different number: -SB is V3.1, -SC is V3.5. However, if you
order the -SC variant now, and even specify V3.5, for some reason SSB
fills your order with V3.1 !!!! Apparently, you have to wait to send
in the order until 10/28 in order to receive V3.5. How's that for order
processing!
-Dale
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ANDREW::OSTROM "ETP Engineering Mgr." 28 lines 23-OCT-1994 20:05
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I'm an ex and sometimes software product manager, and used to work in
Software Manufacturing, so I'd like to correct some mis-information.
Digital software part numbers have, for the last 8 or 10 years, been
of the Q?-UPILx-yy.VVVV format. The ? is replaced with L for
licenses, A for media/docs, B for packeges, etc. The UPI is the
UNIQUE PRODUCT IDENTIFIER, and each "PRODUCT" has its own. NOT
creating new UPIs for every new version of every software product is
how we limit ourselves to only a few tens of thousands of software
part numbers. Thus, as .-1 says, there IS a new part number for WNT
V3.5, which might be a change to the "yy" in the part number for a
break-the-seal think like NT, but would only be a rev to the VVVV for
a part for say VMS or C or whatever. Thus, QA-001AA-GZ has always
and will always be the part number for a VMS doc set.
Note, that if you just order the part number, you automatically get
the currently shipping revision, which, for NT, seems like it's V3.1.
You can specifically order V3.5, which should be honored.
Our part numbering system is really pretty straight forward if you
take just a few minutes to read the front of the price book -- we
should give sales/sales support folks a test -- I spend too much time
answering questions that could be easily answered by reading the
price book.
Andy Ostrom
ETPE Engineering/Product Mgmt Mgr.
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OSL09::OLAV "Do it in parallel!" 19 lines 24-OCT-1994 02:53
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Well, if you want fewer phone calls, I think we need better info/order
systems not more reading.
Looking up Windows NT part numbers in VTX price:
MODEL
NUMBER DESCRIPTION LIST
1 QB-0QRAA-SA WIN NT BETACODE Package 495.00
2 QB-0QRAA-SB WIN NT OS SHRNK Package CDROM 295.00
Who is able to answer customers and order products on this basis???
Is it version 3.1 or 3.5. Do you get Workstation or Server? What about
the new 3.5 licensing?
We need systems that are supporting our daily business! I don't think the
front of the price books makes any of this any more clear.
Olav
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ANDREW::OSTROM "ETP Engineering Mgr." 12 lines 24-OCT-1994 06:44
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Well, page 6.45 of the October 10, 1994 price book says:
Windows NT Operating System Package (V3.1)
so I suppose that's pretty clear. Since when do you expect to have
part numbers on pre-release versions of software? How do I order VMS
V6.2, or DEC C V5? I can't! You've already been told that the
release date is 10/28, what more do you want?????
ao
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OSL09::OLAV "Do it in parallel!" 16 lines 24-OCT-1994 07:16
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> Well, page 6.45 of the October 10, 1994 price book says:
>
> Windows NT Operating System Package (V3.1)
Is the price book available on-line (not PostScript)?
> You've already been told that the release date is 10/28, what more
> do you want?????
A computer system telling me that (not notes).
> Since when do you expect to have part numbers on pre-release versions
> of software?
Windows NT 3.5 is not currently pre-release. Competition (other companies
selling Windows NT) have been taking orders for about a month now.
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ANDREW::OSTROM "ETP Engineering Mgr." 9 lines 24-OCT-1994 08:20
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From Digital it's not released -- the fact that others HAVE released
it is irrelevent.
The version number is not currently displayed on VTX price. I don't
think the intent was to replace the price book in its entirety. Have
you used option "5" on the main menu of VTX price to tell the authors
of the system that you would like them to include software version
information (it IS in the SSB database).
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MUMPS::ROODY "Roadkill on info highway..." 22 lines 24-OCT-1994 08:32
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re: .22
> From Digital it's not released -- the fact that others HAVE released
> it is irrelevent
Uhhhm, except maybe to customers, but I keep forgetting that they too
are irrelevent in the new Digital.
What is irrelevent is whether or not the product is available. What
other companies are doing is taking orders, and money, with a scheduled
delivery date in line with availability. They are selling both systems
and kits this way.
These are sales we will never see. These are sales we can not make
because our systems are too archaic and bound up in themselves; in most
cases Business Practices has the final word on what a product group can
offer to customers - and it is rarely what a competitive model
requires.
Irrelevent indeed.
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BGSDEV::TANNENBAUM "TGA Developer" 4 lines 24-OCT-1994 09:43
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A group I work with needed a copy of Windows-NT V3.5, and couldn't get
it in-house. They ordered *AND RECEIVED* it from Dell last week.
- Barry
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DECC::OUELLETTE "Mole Whacker" 7 lines 24-OCT-1994 11:28
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From Digital it's not released -- the fact that others HAVE released
it is irrelevent.
It's not irrelevent; it's the problem!
Perhaps a VP could pay a visit and help some people out...
R.
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POLAR::TOMKINS 21 lines 24-OCT-1994 12:37
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That is interesting that the product was obtained from Dell.
Typically, Microsoft has licensing restrictions on software
distribution with their OEM's.
For example, Digital can sell Microsoft OS's with hardware but cannot
sell just the OS without hardware. Further, we are in some cases
prevented from selling upgrades to OS's as well.
The reason for this is that a distributor, company x, has an exclusive
territory license with Microsoft and if we were to sell into that firms
territory, how does Microsoft make sure that company x gets their fair
due for the product sale. It actually get's more complexe than this,
but this is the rough start of it.
In any event, I would be surprised to find that Dell had a
non-restrictive distribution agreement with Microsoft, different than
the agrreement we have in place. If this is the case, then our lawyers
ought to be going back to re-negotiate the contracts. If this is not
the case, then Dell is breaking the rules.
Regards, rtt
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