Conference 7.286::digital

    In the US, merely send a registered letter and mark the box "Send me
    change of address notice".  I think it costs $2, not sure.  Post office
    is your best bet, as they track citizens better than the KGB ever did.
    That's where Ed McMahon gets HIS info!
    
    								Tex

That works for a limited time.  I think it's one year, though it may be two.

    Also a bunch of services that for $39 guaranteed will find someone.  I
    believe they're using the public CD-rom of US phone numbers.  So if
    Joe's listed...

I printed off all the Fagones on my CDROM set (don't worry, there weren't
that many) and mailed the list to you. There were *no* Joseph S. Fagones
listed. 

The listing should get to you in a few days.

Hope this helps,

Art

    I have received several replies already with adresses of Fagone's but
    unfortunately they were all not related.
    
    Called personnel as well to ask if they knew of forwarding address or
    so but they do not give out any information for privacy reasons.
    
    So, any ideas still welcome!!
    
    Thanks for your efforts
    
    Lance 

    Roelof,
    
    Daar ben ik ook steeds meer bang voor......
    
    (I'm afraid so....)
    
    Lance

    
    If they know of a forwarding address they will usually take an letter
    with a stamp and his name and fill in the address and drop it in the
    mail for you.  I know my college will do this for any ex-alumni.  This
    way they don't give out the address and let the person see if they want
    to respond to you.
    
    Jon
    

    <<< Note 3430.1 by DPDMAI::EYSTER "Seems Ah'm dancin' with cactus..." >>>
    
    > In the US, merely send a registered letter and mark the box "Send
    > me change of address notice".  I think it costs $2, not sure.  Post
    > office is your best bet, as they track citizens better than the KGB ever
    > did. That's where Ed McMahon gets HIS info!
    >                                                                Tex
    
    Hey, leave my father out of this! 8-)
    
    (My dad's name is actually Ed, but not THAT one. Although I understand
    that we're distantly related).
    
    

>    (My dad's name is actually Ed, but not THAT one. Although I understand
>    that we're distantly related).
    
    Ed knows that.  Ed knows everything.  When you realize that, you will
    have achieved Edness, and Joe Fagone will be found.
    
    							Tex

Achieving edness is not a state that should be discussed frivolously,
especially in a forum like this. ralphness, or the slightly akin
fredness (not to be confused with redness, which is associated with
skeltonism or foxxism), is proper fodder, but not edness. per the
school of continuing freshmanism.

RE: <<< Note 3430.1 by DPDMAI::EYSTER "Seems Ah'm dancin' with cactus..." >>>

   >> In the US, merely send a registered letter and mark the box "Send me
   >> change of address notice".  I think it costs $2, not sure.  Post office
   >> is your best bet, as they track citizens better than the KGB ever did.
        
     US Post Office regulations changed about four months ago.  They no longer
     give out forwarding address information this way.

                                       Greg

> Achieving edness is not a state that should be discussed frivolously,
    
    I, personally, feel that exposing more of our colleagues to the
    existentialism and zen of these different philosophies (including
    bobness), the more enlightened our corporation will be as a whole, thus
    the more competitive.

   >> In the US, merely send a registered letter and mark the box "Send me
   >> change of address notice".  I think it costs $2, not sure.  Post office
   >> is your best bet, as they track citizens better than the KGB ever did.
    
    Then there's the report currently in the news of the fellow who sent
    a letter to "Postmaster, Chicago, IL" and got it returned after 6
    weeks.  "Moved, no forwarding address."
    
    :-)
    
    ed

>   >> In the US, merely send a registered letter and mark the box "Send me
>   >> change of address notice".  I think it costs $2, not sure.  Post office
>   >> is your best bet, as they track citizens better than the KGB ever did.
>        
>     US Post Office regulations changed about four months ago.  They no longer
>     give out forwarding address information this way.

Are you sure?

Charitable organizations have, for years, kept their mailing lists reasonably
up-to-date by marking each item "ADDRESS CORRECTION REQUESTED".  The Post
Office returns the item with 29 cents postage due and the new address.

This may only work while the forwarding order is on file (six months), but
that's one reason almost any organization will solicit you by mail at least
twice a year.

/john

OK, I called the Post Office.

Bulk mailers can still get address correction for 29 cents per item.
Very large mailers can get it back on diskette even more cheaply.

But individuals can no longer get the information, under a bill
passed to protect battered spouses.

/john

Even more information.  My local Post Office told me to look into this;
I told them that our mailing was probably too small, but they told me to
check with the Postal Business Center anyway.

Business Center explained that there is a new nationwide database for
humongous mailers; it's only economical for those with a million or more
addresses.  They get automatically notified of all changes of address via
electronic media.

Obviously my community theatre group is too small for this, so I didn't
ask the obvious question:  Does the Post Office send all address changes
in the country (or at least in each zip code that the mailer claims is
in his database) to each mailer that subscribes to this?  Or does a mailer
that wants to use this have to provide their entire mailing list to the
Post Office so the P.O. can provide changes only for those names already
on the mailer's list?

/john

if you had his picture you could put it on a milk carton.

>ask the obvious question:  Does the Post Office send all address changes
>in the country (or at least in each zip code that the mailer claims is
>in his database) to each mailer that subscribes to this?  Or does a mailer
    
    Yes.  The USPS 'change of address' database is one of the largest and
    most expensive in the country, coming in at around 180k, I believe. 
    It's released twice a year and has been a major money-maker for the
    USPS.  It's also been a terrible source of consternation for many
    citizens.
    
    When you file a change-of-address, your name is handed out to every
    mailer in the country that subscribes, thus you're immediately
    inundated with junk mail.  Also, it's dirt simple for an abusive
    spouse to find his battered other, as any detective agency worth its
    salt has informants at the large bulk mailers (as well as utility
    companies, etc.)
    
    I used to relocate about yearly, and found that the USPS was seemingly
    incapable of getting my mail to me, but thoroughly adept at getting my
    address to everyone else.  To get around this, I:
    
    	a) use private mail suites.  For $10/month they will get your mail,
    	   sell stamps, money orders, accept FedEX, UPS, make keys, take
    	   passport photos, make copies, etc.  On Saturday.  Without a
      	   surly government worker attitude or long lines.
    
    	b) never use the change-of-address cards.  Notify your creditors
    	   via the box on the back of your statements.  Notify your friends
    	   via a nice update letter they'd like to read anyway.  Notify
           your mail suite you only want *non-junk mail* (yes, they do it!)
    	   forwarded to you in a manila folder once a week.  You've got to
    	   pay a small postage for this, but no big deal.
    	   
    	c) let everyone else you don't give a damn about get their mail
    	   returned.  This includes "fatal attraction" dates, the "Center
    	   for Understanding Charlie Manson" that your old frat brother
    	   signed you up for, and all junk mailers (stops 'em DEAD 'cause they
    	   can get a refund for bad addresses...and yours now is one!).
    
    I use my mailbox to collect Val-Pak coupons only.

    To get back to my original base note question, I have received an
    overwhelming amount of information in hardcopy or e-mail so far but
    unfortunately I still have not found him. 
    
    The closest I got was a distant cousin of him who had lost contact
    about 3 years ago as well.... 
    
    Hard to believe someone can just dissapear.
    
    Lance

>Hard to believe someone can just dissapear.

Ever heard of Jimmy Hoffa???


Dave

    Why are you assuming that he still lives in the United States?
    There are many nice places to live other than the U.S.A. 
    
    Assuming he is in the U.S.A., you have probably followed most of the
    obvious stuff and sounds like some of the obscure stuff, sorry if I
    repeat soem of them here. 
    
    Hate to say this, but have you checked the death records? Three 
    years is a long time, but I'm not sure how to do this on a national basis.
    For his last known location, the library may be able to help you.
    
    Do you know his home town and can you locate his parents. You
    said you talked to a cousin, s/he would probably know this. You 
    have probably done this, but thought I'd mentioned it since you do not
    detail your efforts to date. If you can't locate family, perhaps you
    can take a stab at the high schools in the area. They will give you a
    place to start with the family.
    
    The college is a good source if you know where he went to school and
    what year he graduated. 
    
    Call the local city and towns and find out if there are any outstanding 
    warrents of judgements against him. They will give you this information 
    over the phone for free. This may give you a clue to follow. This is
    great if your looking for a builder or a contractor. Here it is done at
    the county level. The state may have a similar service. I don't know.
    
    My wife works for a company who keeps database records of deeds, 
    judgements, process servings, and property detail information, for the 
    upstate NY area. They sell this service as a dial up service. You can 
    look up your friends and your manager simply by typing their names. 
    It will give you all known adresses for that last ten years, assuming 
    they owned something.
    
    Did he have a girlfriend, boyfriend, wife that you know of. Try them,
    ex's have a tendancy to keep tabs for a while at least.
    
    Call up a few companies that keep national mailing lists. Tell them
    what you are up to, maybe make it personal and heartwarming, and
    indicated that you would gladly pay a nominal fee for them to do a
    quick lookup on their computer. This is a _real_ shot in the dark as
    they will probably refuse, but what the heck! It's just a phone call.
    
    Good Luck,
    
    Dave Kinney

>Ever heard of Jimmy Hoffa???
    
    He's in a bar in Barbados with Amelia Earhart, the Lost Patrol, DB
    Cooper, and a cast of thousands. :^]
    
    Death records are not kept nationally, to my knowledge, but only by
    county/city where the decedent expired.  If Joe's a law-abiding,
    average citizen, the easiest way to find him would probably be bribing
    a BlockBuster employee to take a quick look-see at the database.
    
    You can contact a private credit verification service (they use TRW,
    EquiFux, etc.) to run a check on him if you got the pertinent info.
    
    C'mon, you got enough hints.  Get busy.

From a Phone*file on CompuServe for Fagone and Mass.

JOSEPH J                  617/568-9629
   60 WHITE ST
   BOSTON, MA 02128


JOSEPH AND JOANN          617/665-7466
   42 FIELDSTONE DR
   STONEHAM, MA 02180

If you are a CompuServe user, you may want to try other combinations.  From the
CompuServe prompt, GO PHONEFILE.

BobW

    There is a new service on the WWW that includes a "Finder's Report"
    service to locate a missing person. It's at 
    http://www.satelnet.org/credit/.
    
    /thorgan

    Hello,
    
    Since you have all been involved in the quest for Joe Fagone, I wanted
    to tell you that with the active help of one of you in the US 
    I have been able to find his house at last. 
    
    Good news sometimes also has bad news like in this case where he is no 
    longer living with his family and cannot be traced further.
    
    Thanks to all of you who sent me advice/suggestions!!
    
    Kind regards,
    
    Lance