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3337.1 | | KAOFS::B_VANVALKENB | | Tue Aug 16 1994 14:14 | 20 |
| outside contractors have been used extensively in Australia
and I was told by Ron Larkin that he would look at using them in Canada
when ever it made sense to do so. (ex not enough work to support a tech
full time..his example) And I believe this has already been implemented
in some area on the east cost.
Digital routinely uses temps when there is a large move or upgrade
scheduled that can't be handled through the normal process.
Combine the above with the fact that Digital has now authorized some
OEMs to provide warranty service and things do not look good for
the field.
IMO
Brian V
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3337.2 | More rumour...... | MSDOA::SCRIVEN | | Tue Aug 16 1994 14:45 | 12 |
| More rumour here.....
In conversations on an MCS Alignment Team, it has been stated that MCS
will be "outsourcing" all site audit transactions and possibly
installations.
Whether this was specific to a district/region I'm unaware, but the
implications were US wide....
Again...rumour ... no facts......
Toodles.....JP
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3337.3 | | SWAM2::SCHMAUDER_PA | | Tue Aug 16 1994 14:46 | 14 |
| Hi Mike....
We have a contractor worker here in Las Vegas. At a meeting with the
DM the field was given the impression that we would see alot more
contractors and less DEC employees. The question was asked if a TFSO
came would the contractor be the first to go??? The answer was NO! The
employee would be let go. It's the wave of the future...think about it
- no benefits, no package when the work load decreases, get them for
less. Of course there is no loyalty on the contractors part but then
DEC isn't looking for loyalty anymore - just reduced costs. I don't
mean to say the contractor won't do a good job - but like the one we
have here said - if he finds something permitant he's out of here!
Pat
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3337.4 | see note 3315. | JOBURG::HARRIS | | Tue Aug 16 1994 15:07 | 7 |
| SEE NOTE 3315. The very reason that I placed 3315 was that down we will
be using contracters in the <VERY> near future and my fear is that
there is no/little requirement for minimum standard laid down by
Digital. It is only a case of "Reduce costs." It's great if we could
reduce costs and still maintain excellent service levels. If we can't
manage the account with excellence then the end user is just going to
go straight to another maintenance company anyway. Regards Ivan.
|
3337.5 | Arrrrg! This brings back horrible ... | ODIXIE::SEDVM2::COLE | Paradigm: A 50 cent word downsized 60% | Tue Aug 16 1994 16:35 | 9 |
| ... memories of my time in the USAF working on a time-critical project
on an original PDP-8 (this was '70-'72). The base awarded a new contract for
DEC maintenance to some garage shop several states away (low-balled DEC's bid),
and set someone up in an apartment near the base. First visit, I had to show him
how to turn ON the machine, and boot it! Things didn't get much better during
the year-long contract!
Frank Scoblick, if you read here, you'll remember this episode, since
you were the DEC FE up to then!
|
3337.6 | IMO | TRLIAN::GORDON | | Tue Aug 16 1994 16:41 | 12 |
| re: .5
> didn't get much better during the year-long contract!
I'd say they should have gotten a better contract negoiator for
the base....any contract that locks you into something you don't want
without a clause that allows you to break it if service isn't what
you are paying for is my kinda contract...there are companies that
live on tis kinda stuff...BUT THEY DON'T even bid where the
specs/contracts their bidding on have correct "escape" clauses cause
they know they'll end up losing money...
|
3337.7 | and when the work load increases? | LJSRV2::DANIELS | Mark Daniels DTN:226-2094 | Tue Aug 16 1994 18:26 | 18 |
| | It's the wave of the future...think about it
| - no benefits, no package when the work load decreases, get them for
| less.
.. true, but when the work load increases - it costs more.
Contractors get paid by the hour. So if we only look at costs,
then the normal 50hr work week (for some it may be more) of a
salaried Digital engineer costs less than the hourly billing
rate of a contractor (including the benefits).
Does this make sense in the MCS case?
Mark
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3337.8 | contractor?? we got'm 2 | DCOFS::ALSTON | | Tue Aug 16 1994 18:58 | 40 |
| We also have contractors working with us in Washington, DC. District.
They primarly cover PC's but we have one running VAX calls. She
just happens to be an X-DEC Engineer.
So...
Digital will give you 4 - 16 weeks of "wam-bam-thankyoumam". And if
you don't carry on like an ex-postal worker, they may hire you back.
Yes you, no Dec-wrek, no medical, no standby, no OT and no "real"
badge...
I've heard one person tell there manager they've completed the
US Postal Manager work reduction force program.
They've got their uniform,
They've got their vest. All they need is that friday afternoon
message and they know where to buy bullets.
Me,
I don't worry about things I can't control.
I do my job.. (take a call, close a call)
Put in my hours (8-24)
Put in my days (5-7)
do my paperwork
go home........
and will continue to do my job until they
TFSO me. If I worried about losing my job
I couldn't do my job, so, I will loose my
job because I didn't do my job worrying
about losing my job.......
My thought about work
Broke,fix,next call
or
Do you want fries with that order???
By any means necessary!!!!!
my kids will be fed,clothed and housed.....
BATMAN
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3337.9 | | SWAM2::SCHMAUDER_PA | | Tue Aug 16 1994 19:10 | 12 |
| Mark,
I don't think that the contractor is making 1/2 the $'s of what some of
our engrs are making...plus when the work load decreases - he is off
the payroll until called again. As far as quality - the market is
filled with engr type people who have been let go not only from us but
other computer companies. The contractor we have here is really good
and had only to learn the paperwork type things.
It would be nice to offer a TFSO engr the option to return as a
contractor. Of course that would mean a decrease in pay but until you
could find something else it could be an option.
|
3337.10 | | DABEAN::REAUME | my 2 vices - GTS and coasters | Tue Aug 16 1994 21:51 | 54 |
|
There's a few misconceptions here!
1) Contractors making 1/2 of an MCS engineers salary is
not entirely true. Keep in mind you are usually spending
four to six dollars an hour to the contracting company
on top of the engineers salary. There are savings to Digital
as far as benefits goes.
2) While contractors may be viable for helping out with PC's
and some high volume equipment, there is still quite a bit of
traditional products, networks and new Digital Alpha systems to deal
with. I feel contractors can be helpful for large scale installs and
major DECmoves, but you still need some real DIGITAL people there
to oversee things.
3) STANDBY - that seven letter word that means an expense to
Digital but also ruins the evenings, nights, and weekends of many
an MCS engineer. I wish I could count all the times I've pulled
an all-nighter or got woken up at 1:00 am to go on a DECservice
critical call that the customer site is an hour and a half from
my house.
4) Support - WOW there's a biggie. We have some heavy duty
customers out there that never expect their system to be down
and if it is, it better be fixed in a couple hours and never
go down again. Today's MCS engineer better be able to use
TIMA and VAXnotes because there aren't as many support people
as there used to be and the half hour response on a trouble
call rarely happens when support is called. On top of that we do
it with less engineers available and less of a parts inventory.
5) MCS - if someone doesn't know it, it stands for Multivendor
Customer Services. I've been servicing Fujitsu, Systems Industries,
Hitachi, Emulex, and SUN for many years, so the name MCS isn't
really a new concept to me. For someone to come in and service
EVERYTHING we service is not a small task.
6) Committment - DECservice - four hour response, continuous
effort. Not something you're likely to send a contractor out on
on a regular basis. And if the contractor doesn't know WTF
he (or she) is doing, that could be the end of that contract.
In summary, I agree that there are some situations to use
contractors. But to dismantle MCS entirely would be an insult to
one of the more profitable divisions of the company.
We'll see as the next two years come to pass.
I have continued to be an MCS engineer because I enjoy solving
customers problems. I will probably continue to work in that capacity
no matter who my employer is.
-jOHN r-
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3337.11 | Putting the front door on the fire! | BRUMMY::MARTIN::BELL | Martin Bell, Central PSC, Birmingham UK | Wed Aug 17 1994 04:22 | 9 |
| Engineers (and i am _not_ in MCS) are one of the few regular "Digital
Visitors" to our customers. I the UK many (most) of them spot further
sales opportunites, some of which can be quite substantial - this is
no doubt helped by the "Opportunity Channel" bonus scheme.
Why would contractors want to seek out further sales opportunities,
and how much money would we thus lose??
mb
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3337.12 | Seedlings... | JOBURG::SADLER | | Wed Aug 17 1994 04:55 | 27 |
| Hah, pass me the soapbox...
Two models, 1. Retraction: I cut costs, cut heads, rely on existing
customer base, loyalty etc. end result? - DOWNWARD SPIRAL
2. Investment: I take it on the chin a bit longer, while
competition retracts. Then when they CAN'T offer the service,
and I CAN because I'm better equipped with better equipped
staff (for starters) spares etc. AND I go out in the market
place and BLow my trumpet because I can offer better
systems, support, everything, I retain my existing customer
base, AND start nicking everyone else's end result -
UPWARD SPIRAL-employ more, stock more, provide better
service, better results, employ more,....
Simplistic I know, so develop it a little, don't just shoot it down
because that's the easy thing to do.. (It's easy to criticise, far
harder to construct)
Read NOTES, liberally, what is the feeling in general? Pretty negative.
No, UGLY, Negative. BUT, and I reckon big but, there is an
undercurrent of intense POSITIVE trying like hell to get out...but like
a plant, tree, animal, baby, whatever, it needs feeding.
Feed me seymour, feed me......
A.PLANT (-8-)
,
|
3337.13 | PACER is the new provider of Pathworks in France | EVTAI1::ARMAND | | Wed Aug 17 1994 11:19 | 5 |
| A letter was sent by Digital to the french customers informing them
that they have , by now, to contact PACER for delivery of Pathworks
products and services. Nobody from the field was informed of this new
strategy before. MCS engineers were informed directly by the customers
who gave copy of the letter.
|
3337.14 | Full story time ? | WELCLU::SHARKEYA | Lunch happens - separately | Wed Aug 17 1994 11:39 | 3 |
| Is that just the MAC product though
Alan
|
3337.15 | what if??? | CX3PST::CSC32::R_MCBRIDE | This LAN is made for you and me... | Wed Aug 17 1994 12:17 | 5 |
| What if the contract company was a wholly owned subsidiary? What if
the parent company got the money (or even some of it)? Same technicians, no
benefits - hence lower cost, lower salary - hence lower cost,
contractor buys the parts - hence lower cost. Sounds like a win-win
for a corporation, but at whose expense?
|
3337.16 | Pathworks | EVTAI1::ARMAND | | Wed Aug 17 1994 12:27 | 1 |
| MAC AND PC's
|
3337.17 | | SWAM2::SCHMAUDER_PA | | Wed Aug 17 1994 12:29 | 10 |
| John,
I don't think they will be replacing MCS...but there will be a good
percentage of contractors perhaps a 60/40 in favor of the engrs. Don't
get me wrong...I think it stinks...but what I think and what makes
sense doesn't seem to be a big concern for DEC. Matter of fact I bet
that the % goes up for the contractor and we are left with only a few
engrs to "supervise".
Pat
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3337.18 | starting to make sense | LJSRV2::DANIELS | Mark Daniels DTN:226-2094 | Wed Aug 17 1994 13:18 | 12 |
| Here in development engineering, contractor direct rates at
approx $50/hr (+ 35% markup for the agency) are a wash when
compared to the rate (which includes benefits) used to
forecast engineering budget.
However, if the contract company's billing rate is moderately
less than the salaried MCS engineer, then replacing a percentage
of MCS with contractors will be a cost savings (not sure its win-win).
I'm sure someone has done the appropriate research on the job
markets to determine this, otherwise some percentage of MCS
engineers will enjoy the monetary benefits if contracting.
|
3337.19 | Sub-contract = sub-standard! | SWAM2::GOLDMAN_MA | Blondes have more Brains! | Wed Aug 17 1994 16:08 | 46 |
| Note 3337.10 - DABEAN::REAUME
>...I feel contractors can be helpful for large scale installs and
>major DECmoves,....
Speaking as a DECmove Specialist, I have to note that I think my
customers would have something to say about contracted engineers
working on their gear. I would say that contract workers would reduce
the marketability of all HPS products, but particularly DECmove,
where our only "added-value" is in the excellent (but expensive)
insurance, and in being the manufacturer, with manufacturer-trained
engineers. Even on a large scale move, I much prefer (as does my
customer) to have engineers who are familiar not only with the type
of equipment involved, but the customer-specific configuration, as well.
How can a contractor know, for instance, that a particular 8000 series
system is a non-standard config and needs special handling, or that
the TU81 attached to that 4300 is as tempermental as a Chihuahua in heat?
Even if the site engineer is supervising, he/she can't be "on top" of
every contractor every minute. I'd rather be there myself, and, along
with the moving crew, take care of non-technical tasks like rolling
cables and disconnecting terminals, thereby saving engineer time, than
to have non-Digital personnel on site!
Personally, I think that the entire concept is penny wise but pound
foolish (as usual!). How can we say we have best in class service if
we have no control over the people rendering that service? Having
been a "contract worker" (a temp, even worked here 8 months as
temp prior to becoming perm), I know that one tends to feel little
investment in or loyalty to, the company for which one is working
without benefits, etc.
Not only that, but when our customers see that we are contracting
engineers, what is to stop them from doing the same thing, and
perhaps saving a lot of money? Let's say Mr. Customer has a critical
project, and needs 24x7/2 hour response for 6 months on a huge
configuration of cash cows (take your pick). Is it cheaper/better for
Mr. Customer to pay us and have us sub out the work, or for Mr.
Customer to go directly to that same agency and contract themselves an
on-call engineer for 6 months?
Heady stuff, huh?
My 25 cents...
M.
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3337.20 | She'e right, you know... | POBOX::CORSON | Higher, and a bit more to the right | Wed Aug 17 1994 16:54 | 6 |
|
M.
Here, here. Quality is more important than price to most.
the Greyhawk
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3337.21 | Bzzzzzzt. | LEDS::VULLO | Simplify & Deliver | Wed Aug 17 1994 16:58 | 9 |
|
As an application software contractor I disagree with most of the
generalizations written in this string.
A contractor is only as good as his/her last reference. There is no better
incentive to work hard and work efficiently. There is no better incentive
to finish a job properly and cleanly. This is Capitalism at its best.
-Vin
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3337.22 | The person telling me was sad! | DV780::VIGIL | Williams VIGIL, y que mas? | Wed Aug 17 1994 17:26 | 27 |
| This is what I heard, and does not originate with me. These are NOT my opinions
and I do not agree with these proposals. Don't shoot the messenger...
I was told that our local "field service" manager had just returned from
"hatchet" training. When I asked what that meant, this is what I was told.
(This is unconfirmed, unofficial, and from a non-management source!)
Field Service has the highest payroll costs because they have very senior
people with very broad and extenive electronic and engineering training,
but the company feels that the majority of the work today is board swapping
which is a low-cost expense. Also, frequent and expensive overtime is
something that needs to be cut.
In order to reduce these costs, all FS engineers were going to be TSFO'd
and then their work history would be reviewed. Those that Digital wants
back would be offered jobs as contractors as a fixed annual salary, which
did NOT include a vehicle, training, or travel expenses, etc. I believe,
although I can't remember for sure, that the contract period would be on
an annual basis, and those who fail to maintain their skills would not be
recontracted with.
FWIW, thats what I heard.
Seems to me if the contract price was right this could be a good deal for
both parties. However, the figures that I heard were unrealistically low.
Ws
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3337.23 | time to punt? | ROMEOS::DARNELL_DA | | Wed Aug 17 1994 18:57 | 7 |
| if all this is true, i think it is time to become a milk man, where the
main worry is there enough milk and butter.
maybe my remaining grey hairs will turn brown again.
david
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3337.24 | It must be different in future | IDEFIX::65296::siren | | Thu Aug 18 1994 09:01 | 15 |
| Re .22
I wrote the note 3297 in purpose to discuss about this type of actions,
which might be expected in this industry. There hasn't been much comments so
far. I do believe, that some of it must happen. The question is, what can/
need to be done inhouse and where the authorized service provider is more
cost efficient for the customer. In some cases it is a question of
being affordable. Product price of $2000 vs a service trip of $1000 don't
match.
I don't like it, but it will obviously be part of this business in future.
On the other hand, if done properly, somebody needs also to deliver support
material for the outside service.
--Ritva
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3337.25 | Value of MCS? | GRANMA::MMURRAY | so many notes, so little time | Thu Aug 18 1994 09:13 | 8 |
|
From a wise fellow from MIT. He offered the following basic advice.
...Becareful what you outsource. NEVER outsource a competitive advantage.
And beware, this wouldn't be the first time the outsourcing of a key
company-function became the possesion of the outsourcee.
Is MCS key or a competitive advantage?
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3337.26 | | PASTIS::MONAHAN | humanity is a trojan horse | Thu Aug 18 1994 09:50 | 9 |
| re: .25
> Is MCS key or a competitive advantage?
It depends on what you see as our area of business. I don't think
Intel see a need for such a function, even outsourced. I don't know
much about Oracle, but I wouldn't be surprised if they at least had the
concept. And then there are companies like Arthur Andersen's who make
much of their business from this.
Are we Intel or AA, or somewhere in between?
|
3337.27 | Employees & Contractors | BABAGI::CRESSEY | | Thu Aug 18 1994 10:26 | 11 |
| In general, Digital can best meet its long-term steady need for
work with employees, and its short-term fluctuating need for
work with contractors.
There are, of course, exceptions, like security, etc.
Planning future employment levels involves a very tough forecasting
problem, and a relatively simple scheduling problem.
Dave
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3337.28 | more than break, fix | UNYEM::JAMESS | | Thu Aug 18 1994 12:15 | 9 |
| Corning Inc. did $17 million worth of business with Digital last
year. The reason is Digital service. They also buy our starting to buy
our PCs for the same reason.
Steve J.
P.S. I would love to contract back to Digital. Then I wouldn't be bound
by non competitive agreements.
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3337.29 | Look ahead | ROMEOS::STONE_JE | | Thu Aug 18 1994 18:30 | 20 |
| According to the stock market types, Digital needs to cut the work
force by 20,000. So who ya going to cut? The guys who make the most
and who have few friends in high places. Field Engineers are in the
field, not hangin out at HQ making contacts and learning DEC speak.
Field Engineers,(for the most part) are great Customer Service people,
able to talk to our customers one on one, keep the business for DEC and
present a professional compitant image to all. They get up in the
middle of the night, all kinds of weather, go where ever needed, do the
job and really get very little credit for their efforts. DEC will
sacrifice these professionals for a year or two of balance sheet gain.
The big boys are under the gun and have to make money each quarter,
hang the future, if we don't make money next quarter, there is no
future for these guys.
What the field needs to remember is that Cream rises to the top. All
of the FE types I know will be valuable assets to any organization they
choose to join. They are business like, skilled engineers who will no
doubt be happier, healthier and richer once they put this troubled
scenerio behind them.
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3337.30 | | JULIET::LEZAMA_RO | | Thu Aug 18 1994 21:31 | 14 |
| Some humor for those that do not get the Dilbert cartoon in their local
papers:
Captions:
1 Our two goals this year are to downsize and improve customer
service!
2 Question-- How can you improve customer sevice if you're getting
rid of service people?
3 Who do you think is screwing up the customer service? Duh...
The Dilbert cartoon is written/drawn by a programmer at Pacific Bell
(or ATT) in Pleasenton CA but he must have some Digital experience.
|
3337.31 | | QUARK::LIONEL | Free advice is worth every cent | Thu Aug 18 1994 21:49 | 6 |
| Re: .30
Scott Adams has never worked for Digital - it just shows you that
things are bad everywhere. He doesn't work for a phone company.
Steve
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3337.32 | opinions from baltimore | MAASUP::MUDGETT | We Need Dinozord Power NOW! | Fri Aug 19 1994 03:17 | 56 |
| Greetings from the tip of the spear,
Several thoughts here:
Piercing thought #1:
A fellow field service person's reaction to the note discribing changes
in field service was that it was so obsurd, bizzare and foolish that
it'll undoubtably happen! That was my reaction also.
Piercing thought #2:
A couple years ago I had a very slow week so I was in the office alot
doing all the makeup stuff that never seems to get done, scheduling
pm's, expenses and the like. Our secratary said that she had never seen
me so busy! If you know what us FS types live like... If I was in the
office it was the opposite of being busy. It was a real illustration to
me about how little people realize the value of field service.
Piercing thought #3:
Ever since I started repairing equiptment for a living in 1976 I've
heard, "the stuff is getting so simple that we don't need experianced
fs people anymore." A manager once told me that the word processors I
used to fix were so simple that they were thinking of just fed-ex'ing
the modules to the customer. So basically field service would just be
a logistics organization. I didn't think so then and don't think so
now... Managers have told me ever since I became a t5 that the systems
are soooo simple that all they really need is t2 or t3 board swappers.
Tragically people don't stop learning and growing so if there isn't a
future here they'll soon move on. Xerox tried this in 1982 it was
called the PSR basically they hired people really cheap ($200 per week)
gave them no car only a allowance for milage and expected a large
turnover. The field service business is littered with people who worked
for Xerox for a year as a PSR.
Piercing Thought #4:
Is there a connection between the changes in the car plan and the
makeup of field service? One plan has us connected to mother-digital
by providing a tool (you know the company car) and the other turns
us all into contractors with no company or little connections to
Digital. So which one is going to win?
Finally, the car plan is going back to what it was before Zereski fixed
it in 1992. I think its wonderful. I went on plan b a year ago and
bought a Ford Escort in an attempt to make a buck on the deal. This
last year I put 40,000 miles on it I am going back to those lovely
mammoth Taurus' the first minute I can possiably do it! I swear there
are days I am so sick of that gutless, cramped, noisy thing I weep
at the thought of driving it. We in field service live in our cars and
living in a escort is like living in a phone booth. (I even have a
phone in it!)
Fred Mudgett
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3337.33 | Sorry, couldn't resist... | PEKING::RICKETTSK | Michael's dad - 21-Apr-94 | Fri Aug 19 1994 03:55 | 6 |
| >>What the field needs to remember is that Cream rises to the top.
I thought the organisation of this place was more like a septic tank,
where the biggest lumps rise to the top. 8*)
Ken
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3337.34 | When will the recession start? | PASTIS::MONAHAN | humanity is a trojan horse | Fri Aug 19 1994 05:34 | 12 |
| Part of the equation is the assumption that contractors will always
be available at a reasonable price. This *is* a reasonable assumption
with *employees*, at least in Europe. If you have been employed by a
company for a few years then the loss of benefits from voluntarily
leaving is high, and any new employer has to offer a lot.
For contractors, firstly there might be *none* actively job-hunting
when you need some. This will happen when we hit boom rather than
recession. Secondly, in boom rather than recession contractors can and
will move on very short notice for an offer of higher pay. By changing
from employees to contractors we are planning for a recession in the
computer industry in the near future.
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3337.35 | Try to find a pay phone that works! | USHS01::HARDMAN | Massive action = Massive Results | Fri Aug 19 1994 10:14 | 9 |
| >living in a escort is like living in a phone booth. (I even have a
>phone in it!)
Wow! You guys back east still have car phones? The Texas district won't
pay for 'em any longer. Too bad if you're locked into a long term
air-time contract... :-(
Harry
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3337.36 | re last 2 | UNYEM::JAMESS | | Fri Aug 19 1994 10:22 | 5 |
| In upstate they never have paid for them. We can get one ourselves and
pay the air time out of our own pocket or stand outside in 0 degree
weather on hold for 15 minutes to champ.
Steve J.
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3337.37 | Used, abused, confused and amused | DCOFS::PALUS | | Fri Aug 19 1994 16:48 | 62 |
| Are we using the term contractor to cover several different classes of
labor available on the open market???
Some of the technicans here in DC working on the low end product line
are not contractors per se but have been employed as temporary help
thru a temporary agency. The agency owns the employees and sells them
to Digital on an hourly/weekly basis same as Kelly girls and are under
the direct report of a field service line manager.
Contractors on the other hand have been defined by the Internal Revenue
Service as having an arms length relationship with the organization
holding the contract with the contractor. A simple example would be if
Digital were to contract all its field service needs to Bell Atlantic.
Digital would define the terms of the contract ie meet all Decservice
and Basic committments with XX amount of return calls due to parts
unavailability. Bell Atlantic would then do the selection of field
service engineers, set up the logistics supply chain and support
networks. Digital would be far removed from the day to day operations
of Bell Atlantic and this would be a classic IRS example of a
Contractors relationship.
Contract Employees may be the term that best describes the references
in this discussion. Digital enters into a finite employment contract
with an individual for a specific amount of time for a specific amount
of compensation. Normally there are breach of contract clauses and
separation clauses built into this contract. Digital maintains day to
day control of the person but is not responsible for the traditional
expense of a statuatory employee, health care, pension, insurance,
sick time, vacation time etc. The contract employee should be smart
enough to allow for the above expenses when negotiating the contract
but let's be realistic, there are many unemployed people who can fix
terminals and pc's that are willing to work for minimum wage and pray
that they don't get sick. And everyone of them is trying to get
Clinton's Socialist (communist is a word sometime used) Health Care
Reform Bill passed because they or their dependents require medical
care which they were too __________ (hungry, ignorant, stupid, you
supply the word) to negotiate a realistic contract. Please don't get
the wrong impression about contract employment, it works real well for
many people who need to build skills, sell their marketability, move
around the coutry, etc., and it gives companies great flexibility for
controlling expenses too. But sometimes its just used for a company to
exploit a very depressed and cheap labor market without any regard to
individual or social consequences and as such it proves to have
disasterous results.
Hey, someones going to make a lot of money in the future, and if you
think that you have a workable solution then go ahead and:
Form a temporary agency, hire field service engineers and supply them
on a as needed basis to Digital.
Form a service company (sorbus, bell) and subcontract the work from
Digital for maintenance contracts.
Become a footloose and fancy free contract employee who sells
marketable skills to the highest bidder, work when you want, where you
want and for who you want.
Or continue to work as a full time employee for Digital and feel
underpaid, overworked and not appreciated.
Thanks for listening.
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3337.38 | | PASTIS::MONAHAN | humanity is a trojan horse | Sun Aug 21 1994 03:59 | 13 |
| You should expect to see every variant of contractors. Most
contractors I know personally own their own company, and that company
contracts with DEC. That company, which is often registered in an
off-shore tax-free haven usually has a single employee, though in
principle it could have more.
I know of a team of 40 software engineers that are all employed in
that basis - DEC is dealing with 40 different companies to use the
team. I know of another team of 40 software engineers that are all
employed by the same company. DEC has a single contract with that
company. I can also think of teams of 40 software engineers that are
all DEC employees so Purchasing is not involved in their employment.
There are also mixed teams - see the discussion on technical writers.
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3337.39 | not all jobs can be handed that way | WEORG::SCHUTZMAN | Bonnie Randall Schutzman | Mon Aug 22 1994 10:14 | 12 |
| At least in this part of the company, Digital won't hire contract
employees as tech writers directly through their own company -- you
have to go through an "approved" agency. Which means that even though
I'm my own business, an independent consultant, when I want to go
through Digital, I have to work through a regular agency.
I believe software engineers can be and often are handled differently,
so I presume this is IDC/SES policy rather than "corporate" policy.
But who knows.
--bonnie
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3337.40 | | PASTIS::MONAHAN | humanity is a trojan horse | Mon Aug 22 1994 10:25 | 6 |
| The "approved agency" may be universal. Contractors with their own
company that I know have had to have that agency approved. There
doesn't seem to be a rule that an approved agency should have more than
a single employee. If it was too much trouble to get their company
approved then the person went to work elsewhere. If DEC is difficult to
do business with.....
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3337.41 | Balance is Critical | PENUTS::STEVENS | | Mon Aug 29 1994 22:23 | 32 |
| During a recent social function I had the opportunity to speak with
a Digital/IBM customer, who is also a distant relative. She is an
MIS Manager who makes purchasing decisions, so I asked her what she
thought of the service she received. This is what she said....
"The IBM people come across with a holier-than-thou attitude and I
don't enjoy dealing with them."
I then asked what about the service Digital provides? She said...
"John doe is great! No problems, always there for us, very helpful,
very pleasant, a pleasure to deal with."
** Notice when I asked about Digital she used an MCS Engineer/Account
Representative's name, ( phony name inserted above, although I will
say he is in Connecticut ). To this important multivendor customer,
John Doe, Is Digital. This personalized service is what
differentiated Digitial from IBM.
If Digital/MCS were to invest heavily in outsourcing/contracting
while divesting in their existing frontline service engineers, we
may jeopardize an important competitive advantage which we have
established over the years. The proper balance must found to meet
the individual needs of our diverse customer base or Digital may lose
a clear service product differentiator.
Beware - a service product commodity mind set, it may lead to a
tragically flawed strategic plan.
Regards,
Dave
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