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| 3268.1 | s'ok here.. | TEKVAX::KOPEC | I know what happens; I read the book. | Mon Jul 25 1994 08:18 | 4 |
| I've never met Charlie Christ, but Ed Caldwell's pix are in the correct
place in my copy..
...tom
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| 3268.2 | New faces? | GVAADG::PERINO | Who's watering the quagmire? | Mon Jul 25 1994 08:47 | 1 |
| Maybe they just anticipated the next reorg :-)
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| 3268.3 | Really Heated Lamp out ? | ULYSSE::MAHIEUX | | Tue Jul 26 1994 04:17 | 7 |
| Quote from E.caldwell reported page 6 :
"Today,all computers are microprocessor based .
That's a true revolution in the computer industry."
Unless I miss sthg in the last 10 yrs ....? ;-)
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| 3268.4 | ;^) | SUBURB::POWELLM | Nostalgia isn't what it used to be! | Tue Jul 26 1994 05:59 | 5 |
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Thierry, may be he mean't REAL computers, not PCs (as they were in '286
'386 and '486 form) and Micro-*****'s and Mini-*****'s
Malcolm.
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| 3268.5 | Voices from the past | ZPOVC::GEOFFREY | | Tue Jul 26 1994 08:58 | 9 |
| re: .3 "last ten years" and "real computers" ...
The MicroVAX II was a "real" computer, and the first single-chip
microprocessor-based system we built. And if I remember right, it
is a little over ten years old.
Maybe our management truly is living in the past ...
Geoff
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| 3268.6 | | KLAP::porter | it don't feel like sinnin' to me | Tue Jul 26 1994 10:14 | 9 |
| Jeez, don't you lot understand logic?
The assertion is that "today, ALL computers are uproc-based".
The implication is that "yesterday, there was at least one
computer which was not uproc-based".
Therefore, coming up with an example of one ten-year old
uproc-based system doesn't actually add much to the discussion.
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| 3268.7 | Re: .6 | DEMON::PILGRM::BAHN | Curiouser and Curiouser ... | Tue Jul 26 1994 10:29 | 13 |
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>>> Jeez, don't you lot understand logic?
Maybe THAT explains some of the problems that we've been
having over the past several years.
Thanks for your note. I didn't get the point of the first
confused reply. By the time that I saw the second, I began to
think that I was reading the "Alice in Dilitaland" note ... or,
was going crazy from the stress that we're all dealing with.
Terry
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| 3268.8 | | TEKVAX::KOPEC | I know what happens; I read the book. | Tue Jul 26 1994 10:58 | 13 |
| Believe me, Ed has a pretty good handle on what we've been building
with microprocessors.. but now that everything from a handheld
organizer to (at least some) Crays are microprocessor-based, it's fair
to make the statement.
I've personally been involved with four generations of
'microprocessor-based systems" within digital, so maybe we were just
ahead of the curve (in at least some areas..)
Or maybe we didn't stop building non-microprocessor based systems soon
enough.. one could say "who knew". I suppose..
...tom
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| 3268.9 | Ancient history | WRKSYS::SCHUMANN | UHF computers | Tue Jul 26 1994 13:09 | 11 |
| >> The MicroVAX II was a "real" computer, and the first single-chip
>> microprocessor-based system we built.
What a hoot! I can't remember that far back, but our first single-chip
system certainly wasn't a VAX. Maybe a PDP-11, but more likely a PDP-8!
The T-11 (in 1981?) was the first "single-chip" PDP-11, although the F-11
preceeded it by 3 years or so, and it definitely qualified as a
"microprocessor", although it was 3 or 4 chips. We built systems around these
puny processors, but I can't remember what their system-level names were.
--RS
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| 3268.10 | 11s went micro early | CARAFE::GOLDSTEIN | Global Village Idiot | Wed Jul 27 1994 11:19 | 19 |
| re:.9
Okay, it's a digression, but lemme check my own surviving memory cells.
The first "true" microprocessor was the 8008, which Intel shipped
around 1974. (The 4004 was pretty close, in 1971 or so.) Digital
actually sold a board with an 8008 (and many associated jellybeans) on
it, called MPS. Or at least it was in the first (cute,
brown-paper-style) DECdirect catalog, ca. 1976. But that was a
sideshow to Digital.
The LSI-11 was a 3 chip (4 with FPU) set produced by Western Digital
(now in the disk business). It went into the 11/03, PDT et al. The
F-11 (Fonz) was a single-chip microprocessor that came out a few years
later, maybe 1979ish, and went into the 11/23. The T-11 was a
single-chip microcontroller (fewer jellybeans needed Fonz) that came
out around 1981. The J-11 (Jaws) was the last 11, and is still around.
The VAX line retained many-chip CPUs at the high end through the 8000
and 9000 series, but NVAX made them, and all ECL VAXen, obsolete.
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| 3268.11 | RISC CMOS - Intersil 6100 - PDP8 on a chip | BRUMMY::WALLACE_J | | Wed Jul 27 1994 15:51 | 8 |
| Somebody ought to mention the PDP-8 on a (CMOS) chip. (Intersil 6100?)
Digital used them in DECmates, other folks used them for various things
e.g. my first employers Lucas Aerospace used them to control helicopter
engines.
I now return you to the normally scheduled rumours and despair...
regards
john
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| 3268.12 | | GEMGRP::gemnt3.zko.dec.com::Winalski | Careful with that AXP, Eugene | Wed Jul 27 1994 19:42 | 10 |
| RE: .5
The IBM 5100 and 5110 were "real" desktop computers, and were based
on a single-chip processor whose internal code name was PALM. The
5100 predates the MicroVAX-II by about 10 years.
Now, the MicroVAX-II sold a LOT better than the 5100 and 5110 ever
did....
--PSW
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