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| 3138.1 | a paid Ingres/Oracle advertisement... | CSC32::C_BENNETT | | Mon Jun 06 1994 11:48 | 24 |
| I believe the author probably suffers from relational database envy.
We got a good thing which eventually will be propogated across multiple
operating systems. Rdb is tops in the TPS benchmarks and for the
mostpart is a very well thought out product.
There are good points and bad points to Oracle and Ingres along with
Rdb. A true techinical evaluation of the product's
functionality/performance would have brought this out.
What are the authors techinical credentials? Is she like some authors
these days who are non-technical and draw conclusions based on
a series of sources who have a perception which backs up the authors
theme?
"Perception is reality and I rarely see any mention of Rdb
in the database trade journals as it stands. "
What is she trying to drum up Digital advertising of Rdb in
Computerworld?
Reality in relational database technology is the ability of the
product to support SQL, support automated data distribution, support
queries from different PC platforms and the like not to mention provide
the bang for the buck which I believe Rdb does.
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| 3138.2 | Customer says: "Wow... if I only knew..." | LACV01::ROMANO | Don Romano - LACT IM&T | Mon Jun 06 1994 12:19 | 30 |
| re: .1
You're preaching to the choir. :-)
I think the bottom line of a lot of write ups in the journals lately is
that we *have* to respond to these articles. They may be biased,
untruthful, inaccurate, etc..., etc..., etc... *BUT* they are read by
thousands and thousands of people who may not know this and may make
their purchasing decisions based on some information based on these
sources.
Somebody in Digital, if we want to remain in these environments, must
be held accountable (how's that that for Digital PC-speak) to make sure
that our competitors AND information providers are kept honest to the
truth. We may not like it... but we have to play the "image" game. We
can't sustain these continuous assaults on our products in the
mindshare of customers... both current and potential.
It would be nice to mount a nice offensive once in a while too. :-)
P.S.: Digitals Sales... PLEASE let Rdb be at least an alternative in
proposals to customers. Don't automatically go with Oracle or
otherwise. Rdb is cost-effective and very good. Don't assume
that it can't do something now that it once could not do. Like
anything... it has changed through the years and kept improving.
Off pulpit,
Don
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| 3138.3 | We NEED to get the word out. | DECWET::FARLEE | Insufficient Virtual um...er.... | Mon Jun 06 1994 13:18 | 19 |
| observations Re: Rdb vs. Oracle;
I worked with both products for years while in the Consulting ranks.
Rdb has always been the more solid product.
At times, Oracle was significantly faster than Rdb, and they paid for it
in database corruptions and losses. But you never heard about that.
You only heard about the speed differential.
Observation of a customer after returning from an Oracle users conference
at the company's HQ:
"Wow! They had 3 floors worth of engineering and 5 floors worth of marketing!"
Kinda explains why Oracle is perceived as the leader in the marketplace.
Also, Oracle has been multi-platform for YEARS, and that feature alone has
made them the standard at many customer sites. We're playing catch-up here,
and I hope we're not too late.
Kevin
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| 3138.4 | Appeared at my customer's site | GUIDUK::KRUG | Double tall decaf latte, please! | Mon Jun 13 1994 17:38 | 15 |
| I was just working at a customer site where we have Rdb in
there on a project, but they were experiencing performance
problems. With the expert help of our internal resources, we
got them going to the point where they should be able to
achieve many times the required performance.
While there, I saw a series of meetings with Oracle
representatives. The customer is also proceeding towards
"standardizing" on one database product. Sound familiar?
Strangely enough, the article from the base note showed up
while I was there. Coincidence? I somehow don't think so.
I sure would love to see an aggressive promotional campaign
for Rdb!
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| 3138.5 | The base note missed the REAL story | LEDER1::PETTENGILL | mulp | Tue Jun 14 1994 23:48 | 9 |
| If you read that issue of CW closely you find two articles about `proprietary'
databases, one from DEC and one from HP. The headlines pretty much reflect
the stories:
Rdb falling by Digital wayside
HP balances Unix vs. proprietary databases
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| 3138.6 | Letter to Computerworld Article sent | WILBRY::OCONNELL | Think data? Think Digital, Rdb AXP! | Wed Jun 22 1994 18:00 | 57 |
| *** RESPONSE TO COMPUTERWORLD ARTICLE ***
*** THIS IS A PUBLIC DOCUMENT AND CAN BE SHARED WITH CUSTOMERS ***
Senior management has approved the release of this letter to the editor
as a response to the May 30th Computerworld article "Rdb Falling Beside
the Digital Wayside". Please forward it widely and use it in
appropriate customer situations.
It was sent to Computerworld today (June 22). You should be aware that
Computerworld has the *option* of printing it in some future issue, and
also has the option of modifying the content to fit their venue.
If you have any questions, please call me at DTN 381-1627, (603)
881-1627, or E-Mail at WILBRY::OCONNELL.
R,
Mike
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Dear Editor:
We take strong objection to your misleading and poorly researched May 30 article
("RDB Falling Beside the Digital Wayside"), and are disappointed that we were
not provided with a fair opportunity to tell our side of the story.
Digital is committed to DEC Rdb and to the continued support of its hundreds of
thousands of users. The product remains extremely competitive in the database
marketplace and will continue to be enhanced to support our customers' critical
needs. DEC Rdb currently runs on OpenVMS and will be released on OSF/1 and
Windows NT later this year.
DEC Rdb is clearly the top relational database performer in the market today.
DEC Rdb has submitted numerous TPC-A benchmarks, and currently leads all other
vendors in performance by nearly a factor of 2 in relational technology, and
surpasses IBM's high-end TPF figure as well. It also leads all four TPC-A
price/performance categories, being the least expensive solution in each
performance range. This information is available from the independent
Transaction Processing Council upon request.
In terms of third-party support for Rdb, there are over 250 applications on Rdb
today. Of those, the vast majority have already or are in the process of porting
their applications to our Alpha AXP platform, with many moving to the OpenVMS or
OSF/1 operating systems or both.
Digital has always had a strong commitment to engineering excellence and to
providing its customers with the best solutions available. DEC Rdb's technical
and functional leadership is proof of this commitment. DEC Rdb is a profitable
product and has the advantage of having the lowest cost of ownership of any of
the major RDBMSs today.
Sincerely,
Mike O'Connell
DEC Rdb Marketing Manager
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