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3132.1 | | NOTIME::SACKS | Gerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085 | Thu Jun 02 1994 17:43 | 1 |
| Sounds like something out of Dilbert.
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3132.2 | Miss America now writing for IBM | FUNYET::ANDERSON | MmMmMyAlphaGeneration | Thu Jun 02 1994 17:53 | 2 |
| And I'm for world peace, and would like to become a waitress or prime minister
someday.
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3132.3 | The envelope please | POBOX::CORSON | YOU CALL THAT A SLAPSHOT....? | Thu Jun 02 1994 18:05 | 12 |
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See note 3131.24 also. But in reality IBM wishes it were Digital.
They'd have 200,000 less people!!!!
And Gerstenter could collect a $1,000,000,000 bonus and make Eisner
look like a rookie.
Come to think of it....... 8*(
the Greyhawk
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3132.4 | OS2 all the way | POLAR::MOKHTAR | | Fri Jun 03 1994 01:18 | 7 |
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>> 1. The marketplace is the driving force behind everything we do.
>> and a never-ending focus on productivity.
>> 5. We never lose sight of our strategic vision.
from 1 & 5 we deduce that IBM has vision for the marketplace....
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3132.5 | Market savvy yes, but one "strategy" isn't | CARAFE::GOLDSTEIN | Global Village Idiot | Fri Jun 03 1994 14:13 | 13 |
| re: <<< Note 3132.4 by POLAR::MOKHTAR >>>
> -< OS2 all the way >-
>from 1 & 5 we deduce that IBM has vision for the marketplace....
Huh? How does your reply-title match up?
Name one Digital product that sold over 2 million copies in the past
year. OS/2 is outselling Windows NT plus Unix combined, in total
desks.
Of course, that doesn't change the fact that IBM's "principles" are
self-contradictory and meaningless.
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3132.6 | Vision is unnecessary | POBOX::CORSON | YOU CALL THAT A SLAPSHOT....? | Fri Jun 03 1994 15:53 | 17 |
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This is kind of interesting. Does Ford or Toyota have a vision? How
about General Foods, or the tobacco companies?
IBM has products that meet market demands for price, availabliity,
useability, etc. The RS/6000 is another wonderful example. We charge
resellers freight to ship them PCs at 12% off list.
Watch H-Ps announcement Monday on their PC products and new
policies, folks.
Vision is '70s thinking, or Wall Street technobabble. Customers
want price, reliability, ease of use, etc. The field sales force could
give lessions to the SLT all day long on what the market wants - and it
ain't politics as usual.
the Greyhawk
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3132.7 | Ford has a Vision | GLDOA::CUTLER | Car Topin' On The Cumberland | Sat Jun 04 1994 08:31 | 19 |
| >>> <<< Note 3132.6 by POBOX::CORSON "YOU CALL THAT A SLAPSHOT....?" >>>
>>> -< Vision is unnecessary >-
>>> This is kind of interesting. Does Ford or Toyota have a vision? How
>>> about General Foods, or the tobacco companies?
Greyhawk,
I disagree with your "vision is unnecessary" and yes Ford has
a Vision. It's to "become the low cost, high quality producer of
cars, to be the best in class". I would also say
that they probably "secretly" want to be the "largest", "overcoming
GM".
Rick
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3132.8 | More Vision stuff | POBOX::CORSON | YOU CALL THAT A SLAPSHOT....? | Sat Jun 04 1994 17:55 | 38 |
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Rick -
Not to get picky here, but Ford has a vision - like what a car is
going to look like in the Year 2010, or how it will corner, maybe the
trim on the hubcaps. Please.....
This vision thing is vastly overrated. Markets (people who buy
things, and people who by stuff - we are being rather broad) care
about now. Wall Street cares about now, employees of Digital care about
now, customers care about now. What does it matter how computers play
together in 2010 if I can't do what H-P, or IBM, or SUN, or COMPAQ does
now???
My customer is not writing Digital a check for later, he is writing
it for now. And we better be able to compete now..., or they ain't
going to be no later.
Let's move one step away from this vision thing. What is a vision
anyway? What I think the future is? What you think the future is? What
BP thinks the future is? Who cares? Not my customer, not our prospects.
Maybe our current install base (who by-the-way are unplugging VAXs as
fast as they can find the power cords), maybe.
Look at the back of the Digital News and Review. Look at what 6000s
are selling for in the open market. This should tell you something. It
is not good news.
If customers want UNIX, we should give it to them like they can't
get it any better anywhere. If they want SCSI disks, sell it to 'em by
the truckload, best quality, best price. They want PCs, sell 'em the
best at the price they require to give you all their business. If we
can not make money in this market, then we got a problem - not the
market has a problem because it ain't buying what we're making.
I do not want vision. I want profits.
the Greyhawk
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3132.9 | | GEMGRP::GLOSSOP | Kent Glossop | Sat Jun 04 1994 21:46 | 84 |
| > This vision thing is vastly overrated. Markets (people who buy
> things, and people who by stuff - we are being rather broad) care
> about now.
Maybe, but if I were buying a computer that wasn't "perfectly open"
(e.g. a PC, where every piece of hardware, including the processor chip,
"box", and the OS level for DOS/windows applications) were multi-source,
the vendor's long-term prospects and commitment to the product (including
whether they had enough "vision" to be making decisions that would allow
them to be around when I go to buy my next system), would figure quite
heavily.
MS and Intel didn't get to where they are by being "distracted" with
trying to do too much, and were extremely persistent in promoting
and sticking with their core items. (Gates sticking with Windows
*even though* the first versions didn't do well is a good example
of "the vision thing" - noone doubted MS's commitment to windows
after having been through that.)
Does Digital have the long-term commitment from the customer's perspective?
Would DEC MIPS customers say so (particularly if they were interested
in OSF/1)? Do DEC's VMS customers believe so? With yet-another-strategy
in the works, are even DEC's Alpha customers going to believe so
(particularly if the company is hemmoraging employees)?
> I do not want vision. I want profits.
It would appear that an awful lot of profits come from "vision", follow-
through, and other people's view of whether there is a staying-power
commitment on the part of a provider. (Put differently, it would appear
[at least to me - and I'm not an MBA...] profits frequently come from
temporary or sustained "monopolistic" profits. For example, Apple was
able to extract a premium for an extended period of time based on it's
advantage.)
Some examples:
Strategic focus(es)
MS PC software, specifically Windows platforms and apps
Intel x86 architecture
Apple The "usable personal computer"
Sun Unix workstations
HP HP-PA / Unix, printers
Gateway 2000 Reasonable quality, low cost PCs
Digital Alpha? PCs? Disks? Systems? (Digital '80s was arguably VMS,
which had a "critical mass" of software and 3rd party
items)
Put differently, which things would the company in question NOT be willing
to sell (and not just this quarter or next quarter...)?
> Wall Street cares about now, employees of Digital care about
> now, customers care about now. What does it matter how computers play
> together in 2010 if I can't do what H-P, or IBM, or SUN, or COMPAQ does
> now???
Speaking for myself, I care about more than just now (of course, maybe
still "caring" is my first mistake...) Companies are more than a bunch
of contractors working for the short term as a group. (If the rumors
about 20K employees + 4wks severance are even close, the company is
effectively treating employees like contractors, and we're likely to see
about that much loyalty/motivation for achieving long-term results.)
> My customer is not writing Digital a check for later, he is writing
> it for now. And we better be able to compete now..., or they ain't
> going to be no later.
Yes, we have to be able to compete now. However, a lot of purchasing decisions
are *just* like the stock market - future effects get figured in *as soon as
they are known*. If you thought Digital was going to shut down RDB next year,
would you buy it today? If you thought Digital wasn't persuing Alpha as
a serious competitor to x86 and PowerPC, why would you even consider buying
one today?
Profits rarely flow to late comers in ANY market unless they offer
a differentiating "vision" [or whatever you want to call it]. Gateway 2000
and Compaq are good examples of companies that moved up in established
markets because they managed to produce and market something different.
However, they were both startups and didn't have any baggage/structure
that Digital has. (The current cost-focused "downsizing fever" seems
to be akin to bloodletting. Digital definitely had some baggage several
years ago build up during good times [roughly akin to "fat"]. However,
we're to the point where reductions seem to be well beyond that...)
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3132.10 | It's focus, not vision | POBOX::CORSON | YOU CALL THAT A SLAPSHOT....? | Mon Jun 06 1994 12:22 | 27 |
| Great note .9
But one fact keeps coming back. Where is our focus? I seem to
remember from my business school classes that vision and focus are two
seperate organizational behaviors.
Vision was most closely associated with the entrepeunerial company,
ie: KO and interactive computing; while focus was targeted at
operational excellence, ie: Japanese quality in automobiles.
My personal experience the past several years selling our products
to newly recruited resellers is focus. We are continually inaccurate
in shipping product on-time, are always experiencing "spot" shortages
(that usually last months) of critical items, hardly ever invoice
properly, refuse to take input from the field as to changes in the
marketplace requiring product updating and new releases of product at
new price points, etc.
This leads new partners to seeing us as both an unreliable supplier
and a price inefficient partner.
We need focus right now. The vision stuff can come later. If we do
not focus on meeting the marketplace headon with quality, quanitity,
and price, we'll keep cutting heads right down to zero and we'll never
make a profit the whole way down. Fix it now!!!
the Greyhawk
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3132.11 | On OMAHA beach... | NPSS::BRANAM | Steve, Network Product Support | Mon Jun 06 1994 12:56 | 5 |
| On the 50th anniversay of D-Day, it feels appropriate to say:
Success = Long-term strategy + short-term tactics.
Good tactics maintain your ability to pursue strategic goals.
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3132.12 | Seen before | BONNET::SIREN | | Tue Jun 07 1994 12:37 | 7 |
| Lots of this text is similar to what Digital was talking in reorganisation
announcements 1-2 years ago.
If IBM improves with this, does that prove, that in Digital it was more
the implementation than strategies, that failed?
--Ritva
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3132.13 | BINGO | POBOX::CORSON | YOU CALL THAT A SLAPSHOT....? | Tue Jun 07 1994 12:40 | 1 |
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3132.14 | Some might see this as a sweeping generalisation. | BAHTAT::DODD | | Wed Jun 08 1994 09:23 | 10 |
| re .12
Call me cynical, and we may have screwed up the implementation but...
I think it shows that all current managers, worldwide, went to the same
business schools, read the same books and listen to the same gurus. An
original thought would die of boredom rattling round in their
collective heads.
Andrew
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3132.15 | some more | ESSB::BREE | | Thu Jun 09 1994 08:23 | 30 |
| Let me make an input from across the Atlantic. I believe that Digital's
problems are not in strategy but in execution. Let me elaborate. The
strategies available to companies in the IT industry are finite in
number and the strategies available to Digital given its history,
culture and competencies form a subset of this number.
Picking ANY strategy from those available and executing it in a
determined manner won't bankrupt you. It may not be optimal but if you
follow it through you will survive. What is murdering us is that when
we pick a strategy/reorganise/change the colour of the logo/launch an
ad. campaign we think the work is done.
It's not. That was the easy part and it makes you no money. The hard
part is executing the plan, changing behaviours, making tangible
differences to the way we supply our product. It takes a lot of
grafting, doing mundane things well, following through, making
decisions, sticking with them.... you know the type of things that sole
traders do every day.
We don't need to constantly look forward to yet another vision or
hear more business school cliches. Let's
follow through on what needs to be done not change tack every time we
meet an obstacle. The more obstacles we meet and knock off the road the
better. We will not prosper by avoiding obstacles. They will just
reappear around the next corner.
Phew!!! I've needed to say that for some time. I feel better already.
Paul
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3132.16 | | WHOS01::BOWERS | Dave Bowers @WHO | Fri Jun 10 1994 10:38 | 8 |
| I couldn't agree more strongly with -.1. The strategie du jour
approach has been driving me crazy for the last couple of years. We
haven't stuck with ANYTHING long enough to determine if it was really
working. I have a terrible suspicion that we've been switching
strategies SO fast that we're constantly judging the current effort by
the results of the prior one.
\dave
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3132.17 | On today's menu of strategies we have... | WELSWS::HILLN | It's OK, it'll be dark by nightfall | Fri Jun 10 1994 11:27 | 8 |
| .15 is so true...
I've seen it summarised as the fairy tale marriage syndrome:
"...and they got married and lived happily ever after."
Picking a strategy, or getting married, are the same type of action in
that they signal the start of the hard work, not the end.
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3132.18 | | NPSS::BRANAM | Steve, Network Product Support | Fri Jun 10 1994 13:16 | 30 |
| Saw Larry Constantine (formerly of Constantine & Yourdon), one of the
big players in software engineering technology over the last 20 years,
at the Software Symposium V at LJO yesterday. His presentation was "Why
Change Fails...and How to Improve Software Processes" (he said he added
the subtitle after being requested to provide a more upbeat title [big
grin here!]). The presentation was a list of 14 reasons why
organizational changes fail.
Number 3 was the Historic Event: somebody says "thou shalt change", and
lo and behold, everybody expects things to be different from there on
out. In other words, they want change to be a single point event in
time. In reality, he said, change is a process over time. This process
has its ups and downs before reaching a positive net effect. This then
results in the "Technology Trap": during the initial stages of a change,
things actually get worse because of extra overhead learning the new
way, missteps getting started, etc. Given time, things will improve and
eventually pass the point they were at before. However, the problem is
that many organizations don't wait for the upturn, they bail when they
see they are going downward. He called this a J-curve: short downward
trend before long upward trend.
So organizations tend to give changes enough time to disrupt things,
then give up before giving it a chance to recover, frequently leaving
them worse off than before with the "knowledge" that they tried the
wrong thing.
While Constantine obviously knows the state of affairs at Digital (he
works just down the road in Acton), it is interesting that one of the
most respected leaders in the industry pointed this out as a common
pitfall in a generic presentation. Is anybody listening?
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3132.19 | more good Software Symposium stuff | AWATS::WESTERVELT | It's so dark, it must be dawn | Fri Jun 10 1994 14:06 | 34 |
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Something else about the Software Symposium V ("Getting Results").
It was chock full of practical ways of enhancing the software
process, which is something many complain about but which is
resistant to change. Among the tidbits:
- A standard tool for quickly and easily setting up
a standard project environment, complete with automatic
generation of basic software quality metrics (the
author is seeking funding to spread this across the
whole company; I think that money would repay itself
many times over if people would be willing to change
(see -.1) and use the tool);
- A discipline of software development which individuals
can use to improve the predictability of their work;
- Ways of really getting something done at meetings;
- Experiences of groups in this company where the application
of certain software process improvements yielded
demonstrable improvements in the bottom line.
It's easy to collect data if you have the right tools, and
if you collect the data you can really prove something
objectively about the quality of your product/process. Mostly
we don't do it because of inertia, because it's not in
the culture, because we're too busy, or whatever. So
there's reason to change. After hearing what was said at
the symposium, I'm convinced a little discipline and teamwork
could go a long way to saving us big bucks and lots of
frustration.
Tom
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