| Title: | The Digital way of working |
| Moderator: | QUARK::LIONEL ON |
| Created: | Fri Feb 14 1986 |
| Last Modified: | Fri Jun 06 1997 |
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Hellow fellow noters, a lot of you don't know me, as I am a silent
reader of these notes. I felt however, that I should inform you that
Customer Services has been hit today. I am a Customer Services
Engineer with 13.5 years experience, and I'm saddened to be leaving,
but not surprised considering the position the company is currently in.
I have no regrets and I feel privileged to have met so many quality
individuals working for one company.
May our paths cross again, Adios Mi Amigos!
Juan Febus
Rome, New York
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| 3123.1 | My first contact with DEC Field Service ... | ODIXIE::SEDVM2::COLE | Paradigm: A 50 cent word downsized 60% | Tue May 31 1994 11:20 | 3 |
... was at RADC in the early '70s. Frank Scoblick (now in Binghamton) was my rep. Good Luck! | |||||
| 3123.2 | Y | ROMEOS::BOUCHER_RO | Tue May 31 1994 12:36 | 4 | |
Heard anything about the LMC.
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| 3123.3 | NOVA::FISHER | Tay-unned, rey-usted, rey-ady | Tue May 31 1994 12:38 | 3 | |
I worked in Rome before joining DEC. PAR, On the Mall...
ed
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| 3123.4 | MIMS::PARISE_M | Profitability?...fawgeddaBOW'dit! | Tue May 31 1994 20:26 | 5 | |
I needed a vacation anyway.
Over and out.
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| 3123.5 | PKO hit, too | ICS::BEAN | Attila the Hun was a LIBERAL! | Wed Jun 01 1994 09:45 | 22 |
MCS training in PKO was hit, too.
Quite literally everyone is now leaving... from management down. (I've
not heard if upper management was affected, but they got all the
instructors, all the U.M.s and at least one middle manager)...
There were four instructor who were "saved" but I understand they will
no longer be instructors. Not sure, but I suspect they'll be use in a
consultant capacity. And I've also not heard what "saved" them.
I estimate about 16 to 20 or more PKO people were tapped on the
shoulder.
The unofficial announcements were made last week, but I was reluctant
to say anything here because things can change, but, Tuesday was the
official day and here it is Wednesday.
I lost a LOT of my friends, and I'm in a real pissy mood today. Is it
ever gonna get better?
tony
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| 3123.6 | Everyone is getting hit... | GLDOA::SPECTOR | Wed Jun 01 1994 22:49 | 10 | |
Indianapolis got hit bad also. Myself (Project Manager), 2 support
engineers and 6 engineers. I was luckly only 9.5 years with DEC.
Within the last 3 years are office operations has been reduced from
150 people to maybe 60 people. People are stressed out and morale
is low. They told me that there will not be a package starting July.
Look out for sales to get hit next. Engineers with lower income did
not get hit, we were all in our 40's. Oh, well 3 small companies
have called me this evening. BP is going to move fast and cut really
deep. I'll miss alot of the people. I'm going to manage projects as
a VAR or reseller for Digital customers.
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| 3123.7 | Pretty soon. | DPDMAI::ROSE | Thu Jun 02 1994 16:46 | 47 | |
re: .5
> Is it ever gonna get better?
The answer is yes, it has to get better. I looked in a recent
BusinessWeek graph of all of the stock performances of those in our
industry grouping. There are about 15 of us in the Fortune 500.
Looking at the return on share column, everyone was in the red except
two companies: HP and Compaq.
Compaq only manufactures low-end systems and components. HP has a
wider range of systems, but they are breathing because of a $5B laser
printer line.
Obviously, this is not the end of the computer industry. We are merely
reaching a plateau. Some may say we are reaching the end of the first
generation of systems. Where is the future? I don't know, but all
signs point to systems centering around multi-media.
Once we get over this "hump," we'll all have a newer direction and the
cycle will start over again. Looking at the silicon driving these
products, everyone is moving toward 64-bits.
IBM: Power PC
Motorola: Power PC
Apple: Power PC
HP: HP 64
Digital: Alpha AXP
Sun: UltraSparc
Of these, the only operational chip is the Alpha. Texas Instruments
and Sun keep putting delays on the release date of UltraSparc (I last
heard sometime in 95). HP is late on their announcement. Motorola
couldn't get the 64-bit chip working fast enough and have instead
released a 32-bit PowerPC chip.
Every one of these chips requires reporting of all of the applications.
In many cases, a new operating system has to be written. We certainly
have the lead on this new road. To regain what they will have lost
(beginning around 1995), our competition will have to leapfrog us in
terms of technology. This is not going to be easy considering the
aggressive AXP roll-out schedule of a new and faster chip every six
months.
So the answer is "yes," it IS going to get better.
..Larry
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| 3123.8 | Say when | POBOX::CORSON | YOU CALL THAT A SLAPSHOT....? | Thu Jun 02 1994 17:36 | 4 |
WOW....
Are you on full salary?
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| 3123.9 | whew! | ROMEOS::TREBILCOT_EL | Thu Jun 02 1994 19:16 | 2 | |
what a refreshing reply to read!
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| 3123.10 | Alpha is our 'ace in the hole'? Fooey. | CSOADM::ROTH | What, me worry? | Thu Jun 02 1994 22:30 | 17 |
re: .7
Hey, can I have a hit of that stuff?
Alpha is just an incidental also-ran right now. If this company is
betting the farm on Alpha it had better do some darn super marketing
from here on out... I don't see anyone beating a path to our door
except for our installed base.
Back to the topic... MCS.
WIth about 20% of the F/s staff cut here out my office, I do not see
how they can hope to service our customers adequately- DECservice
commitments are being missed now, will cutting staff make it any
better? No way!
Lee
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| 3123.11 | Let's go eat some of HPs lunch then! | SUBURB::POWELLM | Nostalgia isn't what it used to be! | Fri Jun 03 1994 04:02 | 12 |
Re.7
Remember that most of HPs profit comes not so much from the laser
printers they sell, but from the Toner Cartridges that they sell for
them after they have sold them!
Remember too, that we sell laser printers using the same engines
AND our Toner Cartridges fit their Laser Printers - so go *SELL* OUR
Toner Cartridges to Their customers - HP have eaten too much of our
lunch already!!!!!
Malcolm.
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| 3123.12 | How will we undercut them? | USHS01::HARDMAN | Massive Action = Massive Results | Fri Jun 03 1994 08:39 | 13 |
re .11 I'd guess that we don't actually manufacture toner cartridges
for our printers. We probably buy them from the same plant that makes
the ones with the HP logo on them. That'll make it rather difficult to
compete with them.
Right now I can buy new HP cartridges at the local discount warehouse
for 30-50% below the DecDirect price. :-(
Getting back to the topic.... Houston lost 5 engineers to TFSO this
week, one other resigned.
Harry
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| 3123.13 | by just getting out and selling them | REGENT::LASKO | CPBU Desktop Hardcopy Systems | Fri Jun 03 1994 11:20 | 8 |
The laser printer supplies business is very lucrative and C&P is in on
it. We do sell, profitably, Canon toner cartridges--Canon makes the
laser printing engine--and broker them in large quantities to both
purchasers of our printers and HPs. The trick of selling them, as I
understand it, is to be in the right place at the right time, with
quantity. I'm not sure who's name is on the box for ours--HP certainly
has the volume pull needed to get custom packaging for their cartridges
but for volume purchasers the box really doesn't matter that much.
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| 3123.14 | Good stuff | DPDMAI::ROSE | Mon Jun 06 1994 01:07 | 21 | |
re: .8
I'm 80/20 soon to be 60/40... Sales in Dallas.
That supplies business is lucrative. I am bidding on all of the
supplies business from toner to paper in many of my customers. Even if
I have to get an allowance to meet the price, we should do the
business. I set up the initial deal for a year at a time at set prices
and then tie in a distributor to provide the order support and
delivery. Once I get the initial agreement, I'm on to new sales as the
distributor spends its resources taking and filling the orders.
Furthermore, I get the distributor to set their prices on the HP laser
printers, Compaq computers, whatever they sell to the street prices and
lock them in as the only distributor for any computer equipment. I
don't get revenue, but I keep my competitor's reps out and I know of
any "invader" sales about to be made. I can then preach the goodness
of DEC over HP, Compaq, etc.
It's not just getting better, it's feeling better.
..Larry
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| 3123.15 | Yo Bro | POBOX::CORSON | YOU CALL THAT A SLAPSHOT....? | Tue Jun 07 1994 11:37 | 10 |
Good for you.... Whatever works and can keep you focused is
goodness. My dream is that Digital realizes it has some mighty fine
folks in its sales force, and turns us loose instead of creating all
kinds of stupid rules to prevent sales/sales credit.
I recruit new VARs, OEMs etc out of Chicago. And I have more scars
than Al Capone. But we do have leading edge technology. What we ain't
got is a corporate feel for the marketplace. C'est la vie.
the Greyhawk
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| 3123.16 | Feedback from a recently departed one | NECSC::LEVY | A song that's born to soar the sky | Mon Jun 20 1994 20:41 | 213 |
Since John Rando gives explicit permission to distribute this, I'll
take that as implied permission to post it in a forum like this.
Well written feedback to management on many of the mistakes that are
being made from a TFSO'd field manager.
dave
From: CSCMA::CSC32::BINGHAM "Tech of the Woeful Countenance 20-Jun-1994 1517" 20-JUN-1994 17:35:50.13
To: @WWWNT,@TBU_TEAM,@SOCIAL
CC: BINGHAM
Subj: fyi: Comments from a departing field mngr!
From: JCR::LASTELLA "Tina, 237-7791, Americas Zone Product & Service Implemen
From: MPGS::BROPHY "Americas Zone Products and Services Implementation 20-Ju
From: CSLALL::SRYAN 20-JUN-1994 09:39
From: CSLALL::PIEHL "MLMC Business Support, 247-2449" 20-JUN-1994 09:1
From: CSLALL::KEELEY 17-JUN-1994 14:09:44.22
From: Walter Keeley @TWO
From: Bill Koury @TWO
From: Richard Michel @OGO
From: Tim Woisin AT A1 at STOWOA at OGO
From: DEMORE@CAPNET@STOWOA@MRGATE@STOWOA@OGO
From: NAME: John Rando @OGO
Attached is a memo from Paul Grado, a recent MCS transition in the US. I have
known Paul for a number of years and have great respect for his integrity,
commitment and operational managerial skills. I believe his comments are
worthy of consideration by all of us in MCSLT.
There are some very difficult messages for us to receive and accept in his
note. I believe Paul is objective and presents a very real perspective as
seen in the eyes of many of our field managers. I ask that all of you read
and reflect on Paul's comments. We need to keep these in mind as we build our
FY95 plan and continue to drive our major programs.
Please feel free to distribute this to your direct reports for their
consideration as well.
On the positive side, many of Paul's concerns could be addressed head on in
our transformation program and through the implementation of the Change Forums
and Leadership Forums with the field organization. We need to accelerate our
commitment to these efforts throughout the field organization. We cannot
spend enough time engaged in two-way communication with our employees and
managers.
The objectives of the Global Common Solutions Program and the need for its
implementation are reaffirmed by Paul's comments. Our Service Delivery
re-engineering work needs to move quickly to its re-engineering phase and
beyond restructuring. Many of the points addressed by Paul, concerning
Service Delivery, should now be the responsibility of our process managers to
understand and address through re-engineering work.
We are fortunate to have employees like Paul Grady who, even on their
departure from the Company, under very difficult conditions, are willing to
take the time to send constructive criticism to our management.
One final note - we all owe a note of gratitude and our best wishes for
success in the next phase of his career.
Regards,
John
jfs
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From: NAME: PAUL GRADO @UKO
FUNC: FIELD SERVICE
TEL: 352-2845 <GRADO.PAUL AT A1 at MAIL1 at PCO>
Date: 01-Jun-1994
Posted-date: 03-Jun-1994
Precedence: 1
Subject: Advice From the Field
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To: See Below
CC: See Below
I've been TFSOd this week, and wanted to take this opportunity to provide some
unsolicited feedback. This isn't meant to be a parting shot, but rather my
sincere feelings about what needs to happen if MCS is to remain a viable
entity.
Bob, I think you've done a fairly good job of setting some of the strategic
directions for the company. What hasn't been said is that MCS is a strategic
weapon. There's a real strong feeling that because of what's happened to this
part of the company, we're a piece that Digital would like to sell. If we're
not, you saying it would mean alot. Morale is really bad, and folks just don't
feel valued very much.
John and John, do you really have any idea how bad it is in the field? If
noone's said it, we're almost unable to deliver service. There are a couple of
key things that need to happen if there's even a possibility of staying viable.
Field line managers need tools which help them manage their business. In the
district I was recently part of, about 50% of the business has no systems for
management to use to make adjustments, or even tell how they're doing. The
contract system is still archaic, and inflexible, and not suitable for a
significant portion of the business. The call handling system, which was
designed for the HPS business, doesn't work anymore. The DBOS system is used
on many DTS accounts, and we also have customers who utilyze their own call
handling systems. To try and figure out what's happening is totally manual,
very time consuming, and quite often a waste of time. Please help, and let the
field participate.
Much of the downsizing has been "justified" with some inaccurate assumptions.
One of the assumptions was that "support" work is "rework." This hasn't been
the case for a very long time. The skills and knowledge of support engineers
is very different than the skills of a district engineer. The strategy to
"reduce headcount by 200-300, and expenses by $28M-$35M by moving support into
the districts, therefore closer to the front of the call, although sounding
rationale, wasn't totally sound, for the following reasons:
-the plan called for an 18 month implementation, then happened instantly
-the above mentioned skills misconception, (support skills are additive)
-the whole plan was based on re-engineering the front-end screening
process, (this never occurred)
The last point is key to the whole problem that the field faces. Downsizing
basics say that if your going to be successful in downsizing, that work needs
to be re-engineered to be more efficient. With all of the changes that have
taken place, reorganizations that have gone on, responsibility shifting that
we've done, work still happens in the same way. We haven't "really" changed
anything. Everyone is still responsible for everything, and we haven't
empowered anyone with the flexibilty to manage what they're best suited to
manage. All of the promises about the added value that MCSE was going to add,
haven't happened. All of the new systems that were going to appear to help
the field become more efficient haven't appeared, all of the redesign that
was going to occur to make us more effective has been structural. What needs
to occur are functional redesigns, which improve the efficiency of the work.
Despite what may be perceived, this hasn't happened. Please test this by
asking some first line folks.
Tony, some good news for you. I've been involved with PCI in Manhattan since
mid January. This business has real good potential. In Q2, the district did
$250K, in Q3 $450K, and the Q4 forecast is $850K. Until this past Monday, I
estimate that we could fairly easily have done between $6M and $8M in fy95.
I'm not sure what impact this week will have, but it certainly impacts next
year, from both a resource and morale standpoint. The only piece of advice I
have is to consider the potential of increasing the low-end of the business.
I could have done an almost unlimited amount of $65/hour system administration
work, with mostly temporary resource, at a cost of about $35-$40/hour.
Although this doesn't make the margins you've been looking for, since it's a
cash-flow business it can bring some much needed margin dollars into the
company, without tying-up any money.
Ralph, when you first came on board you came to our staff meeting. You said
that "we" think that the field can't bear much more cutting, and "we" would
look other places. This statement helped make people feel real good. They
finally saw an end to the massacre hitting the people who actually do the
work. After this past Monday, noone belives anything anymore. The viability
of MCS is honestly at risk. We need to become realistic about some of the
expectations we have about what MCS can and can't bear.
If HPS is going away as a result of technology, then so-be-it. Figure out
where the real opportunities lie, and go after them. Instead, we seem to be
looking out for our own turf. An example is the plan to go after IBM's RS6000
and AS400 base. Noone in the field sees the strategic point of this, nor
feels we bring any differentiation here. There's also very strong doubts
about Digital's ability to be successful if we can win any significant
marketshare. We haven't done any training for 2 quarters, we've cut headcount
to the danger zone, we've lost most of our high level expertise, and there's
no "investment" money, for anything. How does anyone expect us to stay a
world-class competitor? We can't do things, just because someone wills us
to.
What made MCS (Field Service) powerful in the past was our discipline,
creativity, culture, and instinct for the service business. We often made
mistakes, but overcame them, learned from them, and won more often than we
lost. We had a good mix of autonomy in the field, and direction from
headquarters, mixed with trust. Our people were motivated and valued.
The only thing remaining is the discipline, and this is tainted because instead
of being fostered by loyalty and trust, its driven by fear to say what's really
going on. If this is going to change, it's got to start now!
I hope this input is taken in the right way. I really am trying to be
constructive. I've invested 22 years of my life in this company, and wish it
only the best. I met many wonderful people, learned alot, and most of the time
had fun doing it. I wouldn't have missed it for anything. Good luck!
Sincerely,
Paul
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john rando@ogo,
john paget @mro,
frank branca @ofo,
ralph lipizzi@ofo,
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| 3123.17 | GUCCI::RWARRENFELTZ | Follow the Money! | Tue Jun 21 1994 07:16 | 2 | |
Excellent analysis! Too bad we're losing this type of dedicated and
concerned resource. Really, it's a shame!
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| 3123.18 | WLDBIL::KILGORE | DCU 3Gs -- fired but not forgotten | Tue Jun 21 1994 07:36 | 11 | |
.16> We are fortunate to have employees like Paul Grady who, even on their
.16> departure from the Company, under very difficult conditions, are willing
.16> to take the time to send constructive criticism to our management.
WRONG!
We are fortunate when we find ways to hang onto them.
Until then, we are just plain stupid.
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| 3123.19 | BSS::C_BOUTCHER | Tue Jun 21 1994 10:48 | 11 | ||
The analysis is very insightful ... and is not new information for the
MCS organization. I guess I would only wonder why we have not acted on
the issues so clearly detailed.
When I was in Field Service as a Support Engineer, I always said if you
can clearly define the problem, the solution is not far away. In this
memo, the problems ARE clearly defined.
Still waiting ...
Chuck
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| 3123.20 | ALFAXP::MITCHAM | -Andy in Alpharetta (near Atlanta) | Wed Jun 22 1994 16:01 | 16 | |
I'm not quite certain how to take this message: Here, you have John Rando forwarding a message from someone that is believed to have "integrity", and the statements in the message are "worthy of consideration by all of us in MCSLT." Up to this point, has MCSLT been simply blind to this kind of feedback? What does it take to make this kind of feedback "worthy of consideration? Surely this cannot be the first time comments of this sort have made their way to MCSLT... can it? I can only hope that, considering John Rando's comments, it is being looked at seriously. -Andy | |||||