Conference 7.286::digital

The rumor I heard is no "package" after FY94 other than what might be required
by law (which doesn't take into account years of service.)

Only a rumor, though - as far as I know.

-Jack

    I heard from a personnel source that there most likely be NO PACKAGE
    as of July 1.  If one is to go, I would hope that Mgmt. be quick
    about it so those laid off and get what is  what the very last
    package.

    Which is EXACTLY what BP instructed managers to do at least two or
    three TFSO's ago.  Not to wait.

    What is really a shame is that when these TFSO's first started the poor
    performers were supposedly the first to go.  If that is the case then
    that means that they received the best packages for being poor
    performers.  This also means that those of us that are still left and
    are eventually going to be TFSO'd will receive little or no package for
    being good performers and loyal to the Company.
    
    That is kind of sad in my book.
    
    Pat

    Ref: -1  
    
    I agree it would be a shame to have seen all the "poor performers", get
    money to leave, and those who stuck it out get zippo. I feel Digital
    would not do this, the 1 week per year is pretty standard stuff
    across many industries. I think the current "package" may be policy
    but one nevers knows. I am confident Digital would not act in this
    manner. 
    

    It doesn't seem "fair" somehow, but I'll take a year's employment 
    with associated benefits over 6 months of package and the stress
    of looking for a new job any day.

    
    
    	Yea, But it's a different story when you can pocket the 6 month
    	package, and move directly into a new job....
    
    	I know not all can find a job right away, but many can..
    	And it would be nice to be able to take your time finding 
    	work. The package money can make that searching time less
    	stressful, and allow one to be a little more selective when
    	choosing there next place of employment..
    
    
    		B

    I don't believe they would offer no package for two reasons:
    		
    	1) Why would there be a huge charge in Q4 for layoffs 
    	   (this is widely speculated on Wall Street to be around 600
            million)
    
    	2) No one with any marketable skill would stay.
    
    

    There have been a couple of public statements that contradict the "no
    package" rumor.
      1. Digital will take another $Billion restructuring charge.
    
      2. Digital will sell off parts of their business ( perhaps the
    storage business, perhaps Consulting. There are many rumors.
    
    Let's not panic.  

ref: .5
                      <<< Note 3068.5 by GRANPA::TDAVIS >>>

>>    I am confident Digital would not act in this manner. 
    
  I am glad that you are confident that must give you great satisfaction.


 However, after the college reimbursement debacle, the DCU/DEC stupidity
circus, BP and other managers' pay increases coupled with increased
calls for cost cutting and layoffs, ignoring morale problems, lack of
a clear direction other than that 20k are to go and another 2 more years 
of to do it in, and announcing it before even having an appearance of
having a plan - ah! I could go on but it's already getting too depressing.

 Can you please pass me some of that stuff that your are smoking? 

  8^)  ;^)  :*)

    re:  Q4 Headcount reduction charge ...
    
    Yes, it has been widely circulated that Digital will take a charge in
    Q4 for headcount reductions.
    
    No, it doesn't mean that the U.S. TFSO severance package will continue.
    The money might well be used for severance packages *outside* the U.S.
    where Digital is required by law to provide a higher level of support
    for workers who are layed off. In the U.S., since we have no collective
    bargaining agreement in place, it is very likely that Digital will
    begin layoffs with little or no compensation starting in Q1 FY95.
    
    Geoff
    

RE: .12

	And THAT's when you'll see the exodus out of this place. Hell,
	there's no package, why stay around? For ones health?

	Yup, I think come Sept or there abouts, ALOT of people will be
	out of here..

							mike

    
    also a lot of the money is used for Plant closing, business
    consolidation --- so as stated earlier all the money wouldn't necessary
    go to TFSO.

    To me one of the largest negitive changes was the education package. I
    graduated Saturday 05/14/94 from Rivier College with my M.B.A.  I got
    the last two courses paid for in the last month of fiscal 93. I would
    not look forward to the package but if I got it at least Digital did
    pay for my education. There are several options for me with ten years 
    of service with an M.B.A. 

    RE:.6

    >It doesn't seem "fair" somehow, but I'll take a year's employment 
    >with associated benefits over 6 months of package and the stress
    >of looking for a new job any day.

    	When your years up you still have the stress of looking for a job
    in an even tighter job market and no package money or little at best to
    keep you going until you find something, while the poor performer got
    up to 2 years salary if I remember right.

    Joe

    
    my understanding is that as part of TFSO package deal with DEC, DEC
    will help the TFSO'ed candidates look for a job also, this way the
    strees is less in this part of it anyway.
    
    any one who has been TFSO'ed can tell us a little about how this works
    and how effective it is?
    
    thanks,
    
    \bye
    \nasser

        
>    any one who has been TFSO'ed can tell us a little about how this works
>    and how effective it is?

    I talked to a TFSO'ed employee over the week end. He's been out of 
    work since December. He said that the big problem with the agency
    Digital contracted with is with the ex employees who are still so
    bummed out that they aren't productive. They are either still in
    shock that Digital laid them off or just plain angry. My friend
    said that it's important not to get caught up in "pity parties."

    The other thing he said is that the agency keeps stressing "network."
    Network as in contact all your old friends. Of course for may of us
    old time DECies all our friends in the industry are in the same
    boat. Either they're still at  Digital where there is no hiring or
    they're on the streets looking for the same jobs as everyone else.

    			Alfred

    Hi,
    
    Has anyone else heard of secretaries (and perhaps others) getting placed so
    that DEC doesn't have to pay TFSO?
    
    The good news is you still have a job. The bad news is you didn't
    choose the job and the job didn't choose you.
    
    Linda
    

    Hi,
    
    Yes, I have heard of it.  It is happening to me right this very moment. 
    My job was moved to California last month.  No I didn't get to go.  So,
    they temporarily placed me in a position.  Well, I found a position
    working on a brand new project.  Well, the program manager's manager
    decided that he wanted someone else to have the position.  Now, I am
    told that they will place me in the other vacant position.
    
    It's a position that I don't have any training or knowledge of.  They
    are just putting me there so they don't have to give me the package.  I
    think that the management thinks that I will quit.
    
    Well.....I won't.....
    
    
    Lillian

    If this placement in a position for which you're 
    wholly unsuited leads to you resigning can't you 
    make a claim for constructive dismissal?  So you
    will be compensated.

    
    The TSFO is diff for Sec's, it depends on what group your with I guess.
    I will have no job as of June 14th.  I will get the TSFO pkg if I do
    not find anything. (I will not get "placed")
    
    I wish I knew what the pkg will be, so I can decide if I want to leave
    or not.
    
    
    Lou

    Assuming the author of .22 is a secretary, I'm not too impressed with
    the grammar displayed therein.
    
    Laurie

     <<< Note 3068.23 by PLAYER::BROWNL "Hot-Roddin' the Info Highway." >>>

>    Assuming the author of .22 is a secretary, I'm not too impressed with
>    the grammar displayed therein.
    
    Laurie,

    Please don't become bitter, just because you were drummed out of Pitmans.


    Hugs,

    Stuey

    ref: last few
    
    i also went over .22 like 5 times and i CANNOT find any even ONE wrong 
    grammer in it ANYWHERE !!
    
    may be some DECeees are a bit on the edge these days becuase
    of the downsizing efferots going on?
    
    \bye
    \nasser

    
    .23 - I know we are all on edge as of late.  Therefore I forgive the
          personnal attack. :-)
    
    .all - Thankyou for your support!!!
    
    Lou

>>i also went over .22 like 5 times and i CANNOT find any even ONE wrong 
    
    I would not expect you to ...
    
    ed

    
    In what manner is the TFSO package for secretaries different?
    
    Ken

    
>    In what manner is the TFSO package for secretaries different?
 
    I believe they get the minimal package allowed by law ... which would
    be about 8 weeks no matter how much experience they have.  If true, I
    think this unequal (and worse) treatment is abysmal.
    
    Greg   
  
  

    
    Assuming there is a difference, is this a secretary versus
    non-secretary issue or an exempt versus non-exempt discussion?
    

    Hi,
    
    As far as I know, the secretaries get the same transition package as
    everyone else (4 weeks plus 1 week for every year plus vacation time).
    
    Linda (who hopes she doesn't get the package since she hasn't had any
    luck finding a job on the outside. not that she's had any luck finding
    a job on the inside)

    
>    Assuming there is a difference, is this a secretary versus
>    non-secretary issue or an exempt versus non-exempt discussion?
    
    Don't know ... manufcturing line folks got the package .. aren't they
    in the same category as secretaries?
    
    Greg
    

    
>    As far as I know, the secretaries get the same transition package as
>    everyone else (4 weeks plus 1 week for every year plus vacation time).
    
    I have not seen any official policy statement.  However womannotes has
    a whole string on the topic with lots of secretaries talking about the
    lack of a package ... thats my source.
    
    Do you know secretaries who got the regular package?
    
    Take care,
    Greg
    

    re: .22 and those readers who saw no grammatical errors:
    
    The original sentence was:
     The TSFO is diff for Sec's, it depends on what group your with I guess
    
    The grammatical errors are:
    * "your" should be replaced with "you're", the contraction for "you
        are"
    * "what" should be replaced with "which," to indicate a choice
    * there should be a comma before the phrase "I guess."
    
    Sorry to nitpick on a subject long since discussed, but I cannot 
    believe that no one saw the first error, which is the most obvious.
    I'm sure all the above errors were due to high emotions and typing
    speed. :)
    
    griz

    Yes, I know of secretaries who have received the package and it is the
    standard package of the day.  No exceptions.  However, not all
    "unneeded" secretaries do get a package -- some are told to start
    looking.  Eventually, if you are truly "right-sized", you will get a
    package.  There are not that many true job openings for secretarial
    positions today (at least not here on the northeast part of the US.
    Today there are 33 listed in JOBS_US for 1214.
    
    -sjd
     
    

    
    and there were some who were fired and go no package........
    

    re: 38 - how can someone get fired - insubordination? theft? 
    Anyone let go now gets a package unless circumstances are such
    that they can't sue.
    
    I will be gone as of Monday.....after 17 years.  I am a secretary
    and will be receiving the same package as exempt personnel received.
    That is - four weeks notice, one week for every year employed and,
    of course, my vacation time.
    
    By the way - for those interested - I spoke with Mary Skilling at
    the DEC Temp office.  Former employees can come back one year after
    the four weeks notice.  I had heard that I could come back in six
    months - but it is one year.  Assuming that is, there is still a
    temp office to handle it.
    
    Trudy

    what do you mean by "come back"
    
    there are MANY TFSO'd instructors from PKO who are coming back much
    sooner than that as contractors.  
    
    Even the very next week.
    
    tony

I once was borrowed by a supervisor who was later fired. This was back in '84,
when Digital was expanding, too.
His management had wanted the supervisor, who will remain nameless here, to
leave for some time. Finally, he took the hint, and looked for other work, but
included company confidential info in his resum�. The story I heard was that it
included ship dates for unnanounced products. He was shown the door the day his
manager heard about it.

Yeah I remember that incident...


That was shortly after one of his other engineers barricaded himself in
his office when they were taking down the office walls and moving us to the
other side of the building...he thought they were going to fire him...

when he refused to listen to reason and leave his office, he was escorted
to the door...but not before having his lunch....

Those were the days...