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Conference 7.286::digital

Title:The Digital way of working
Moderator:QUARK::LIONELON
Created:Fri Feb 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
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2993.0. "Help: Need Info on France and Labor Practices" by NESSIE::SOJDA () Fri Apr 08 1994 12:58

As part of an MBA class that I am taking, I need to put together some information
on the differences between labor practices in the US and France.

I am not looking for anything specific to Digital, although some examples of
differences between Digital in the US and Digital France might be helpful.  What
I am getting at are some of the following:

	1) Labor laws involving rights of employees and responsibilities of
	   employers.

	2) Strengths/weaknesses of organized labor and what influences unions
	   have on the work force as a whole.

	3) Attitudes on hiring, firing, company loyalty, etc.

	4) How compensation and benefits are allocated (i.e. are salaries lower
           due to higher company paid benefits)

	5) Similiarities/differences between France and other European countries

The above list is not exhaustive but is representative of the type of information
I am seeking.

If anyone has any of this or knows a good place to get it, please send me mail
or give me a call at DTN 266-4958.

Thanks in advance,

Larry
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2993.1Try the NTDB CD-ROMISLNDS::HOWARDFri Apr 08 1994 13:388
    Some DLN libraries have a CD-ROM called the National Trade Data Bank
    (NTDB). I know LJO has it, you could call the closest one to you and
    find out if they subscribe to it also.  Anyway, there is a section on
    "Foreign Labor Trends" and would include labor practices, union
    memberships, etc.  It has info on probably 20-25 countries.. If you
    can't find it, I can loan you my copy.
    
    -Richard
2993.2MSBCS::BROWN_LFri Apr 08 1994 19:5614
    Here's some labor stats that may or may not be of interest: weekly hours
    of unionized industrial workers; from the New York Times, as reprinted
    by Bill Howard (of PC Mag fame) in the April "Roundel" magazine:
    
    Country	Hours	Vac+Hol	Sick
    Germany	37.5	30+10	9%
    Britain	38.8	27+8	7%
    France	39.0	25+8	8%
    Sweden	40.0	27+11	12%
    U.S.	40.0	12+11	3%
    Japan	42.0	11+14	2%
    
    France has it over the U.S.: work less, more time off, call in sick
    more.  Why not if your job is protected by the government.  _kb
2993.3CSC32::MORTONAliens, the snack food of CHAMPIONS!Fri Apr 08 1994 21:078
    I hope the sick time isn't true.  3% is about right in the US, from
    what I see with my Peers and myself.  That works out to about 1.5 work
    weeks per year or 8 working days per year.  I have a hard time a hard
    time believing there are people taking 5 work weeks of sick time, or 24
    work days a year.  I can't believe that many people are that sick. 
    
    
    Jim Morton
2993.4Statistics vs reality.GVA02::MEYERSat Apr 09 1994 05:0311
    Be very careful with your databases... as we all know there are
    lies, d***N lies & statistics.
    
    I live in France, worked for digital for eons & can count my sick days
    a year on my thumbs, fortuneatly. Do not know any one around me who
    take n sick days a year. The hours worked are also full of hot air 
    as most Digital employees I know work crazy hours, finishing closer to 
    7pm & beyond and occasionally on week-ends.
    
    But this is only my point of view...
    			 
2993.5PASTIS::MONAHANhumanity is a trojan horseSat Apr 09 1994 05:4145
    	As a Brit working in Valbonne for 12 years I can give you
    impressions, but I am not a legal expert.
    
    	Relationships between employers and employees in France are
    regulated in quite a lot of detail. At the very general level,
    companies are classified into very broad industry classifications, and
    each industry has agreed standards for things like notice, working
    hours, redundancy pay, ...  You may have seen a mention in another note
    that DEC France was proposing to pay the legal minimum redundancy pay.
    This legal minimum comes from the fact that DEC is classified as a
    mining company, and that it what has been agreed for the mining
    industry (I said it was rather a broad classification).
    
    	Every company of 50 or more employees is required to have some sort
    of workers organisation, which may be a trade union. When I moved to
    France it was a joke that there were exactly 49 ministers in the French
    government, so the French president would not be forced to permit a
    trade union ;-)  The company must contribute 1% (I think) of the salary
    bill to this organisation.
    
    	In Valbonne there has not until recently been a representative
    trade union, and the funds go to a Comit� d'Entreprise (CE). The
    workings of this body are regulated by law too. For example, it is a
    requirement that all its business be conducted in French. This was seen
    as rather ridiculous in the early days, when 70% of the employees were
    not French.  The CE has mostly in the past used its funds for social
    activities. DEC (directly) doesn't provide anything like the U.S.
    turkeys, but the CE normally organises an outing each year, Christmas
    presents for employees' kids under 12 years old, they own several ski
    appartments, ...  The CE has one permanent employee, but an employee
    elected to the CE has a right to spend a certain amount of time (I
    think it is � day per week) on CE business.
    
    	As a result of the recent changes within DEC some of the elected CE
    representatives have also become union representatives. The significant
    factor here is that union representatives are required to be consulted
    about redundancies. I believe one of the reasons why the French
    authorities rejected the redundancy proposals in DEC France was that
    the "consultation" consisted of notification in the evening, with the
    announcement the next morning. But DEC France is currently a separate
    company, though a merger is in process.
    
    	For a more informed contact I would suggest Derek Lee. He has been
    on the Valbonne CE for many years. You should be able to find him  in
    ELF.
2993.6"mining industry & DEC ??"CSLALL::MWEBSTERWed May 25 1994 13:2617
    re: -5
    
    Hi !
    
    I only read your note today ... I very seldom have time for the notes
    files ...!  I have a question about one of your comments :  I used
    to work in France for DEC (EVRY) ... and I was an employee rep to
    Mgmt there (elected as per labor law requirements by the employees
    of the company ... I was NOT a union person), but I seem to recall
    that the Sector of industry that DEC was included in was not the
    "mining" sector as you mentioned ...but the "steel" (Metallurgie
    in French) -  This doesn't make a whole lot of difference to Decies
    outside of France ... but I was just curious ...?
    
    Can you comment ???  Thanks in advance !!!!
    la-mere-ricaine