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2938.1 | | ATYISB::HILL | Don't worry, we have a cunning plan! | Mon Mar 14 1994 10:24 | 5 |
| >Each manager will be expected, at a minimum, to attend 5 days...
Why did I remember this old adage?
It's what gets measured, gets done.
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2938.2 | Each manager will be expected to attend. | OPG::TORPEYM | " Christmas cheer all year" | Tue Mar 15 1994 06:11 | 2 |
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Will there be VP Development Center? :-))
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2938.3 | What goes round, comes round ! | CHEFS::HEELAN | Dale limosna, mujer...... | Tue Mar 15 1994 08:27 | 2 |
| DECollege lives again !
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2938.4 | Give managers more training! | EPAVAX::CARLOTTI | Rick Carlotti, DTN 440-7229, Sales Support | Tue Mar 15 1994 21:54 | 11 |
| The managers at GE go to their training center in Crotenville (sp?) for
intensive training for four consecutive weeks at a crack. As they rise
through the ranks, the curriculum that they MUST go through is well mapped
out. In other words there is a plan and commitment.
We may well roll out a plan, but 5 days a year hardly sounds like enough of
a commitment given the less than adequate training most of our management
has had up to this point.
Rick C (who has worked both places...Digital has strong products, GE has
strong management/organization)
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2938.5 | | HIBOB::KRANTZ | Next window please. | Wed Mar 16 1994 00:23 | 14 |
| What I remember from being a consultant at GE about 15 years ago is
that they had excellent managers and mediocre employees, but good
researchers. When then needed bright workers, they hired consultants
;^)
Their managers understood their projects and their employees very well,
progress was always slow, but consistent and to plan... but not a place
I'd want to be a regular employee, everything just seemed to move too
slowly...
They also had 100% 'voluntary' united way participation.
You participated, or you got to talk with your manager about why you
didn't want to participate. If your mananger didn't convince you,
then you got to talk to your manager's manager, repeat until done...
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2938.6 | I can't help the way I see things. 8-( | SUBURB::POWELLM | Nostalgia isn't what it used to be! | Wed Mar 16 1994 04:43 | 24 |
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I'm coming to the conclusion that Management training in DIGITAL is
given by IBM!!! We don't seem to promote from within at all now, just
hire more people from IBM to senior positions in this company. So why
do we need management training?
After all, this is IBMs' way of either:
1. Taking over DIGITAL by the back door, or;
2. Making sure that we are no longer a competitor by getting all these
ex-IBMers to push us further down the pan, as they have done to their
previous employers.
How can we, as a company get out of problems by taking more and
more managers from a company which is in even bigger trouble than us,
I ask?
I write this in sadness and only a little tongue-in-cheek. My only
other thought is that having got one or two senior managers in from
IBM, that they are now offering jobs to their old buddies - the "old
boy network" at work?
Malcolm.
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2938.7 | | CVG::THOMPSON | Another snowy day in paradise | Wed Mar 16 1994 08:29 | 10 |
| IBM has a pretty serious management training plan from what I
understand. So do other companies. These involved formal schooling,
off site, with other managers of the same level. One doesn't normally
get to move up to the next level of management without having grade
specific training. A common core of values and understandings, such
as these programs give, would seem to be required to have
consistent treatment of employees and understanding of policies and
procedures. Is this what Digital is moving to? I hope so but doubt it.
Alfred
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2938.8 | IBM's mgmt not necessarily the problem | PIKOFF::SMITH | All that is gold does not glitter | Wed Mar 16 1994 10:01 | 15 |
| Having worked for IBM and Digital, I wouldn't bash IBM's mgmt.
They at least had quality control and damage control.
Their mgmt gave them a superior reputation in spite of
frequently�� inferior products.
Not a bad piece of work.
Even after the highly publicized problems, I still have many
customers who will find any excuse to buy IBM.
Drives me nuts!
Dan
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2938.9 | | LEEL::LINDQUIST | | Wed Mar 16 1994 12:55 | 2 |
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What's next? Porcine Aero Tech?
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