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Conference 7.286::digital

Title:The Digital way of working
Moderator:QUARK::LIONELON
Created:Fri Feb 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5321
Total number of notes:139771

2916.0. "Avoid import tariffs...COPY your Mercedes across" by DPDMAI::EYSTER (Dogbert's Clues for the Clueless) Thu Feb 24 1994 15:32

    If you build a car overseas using cheaper labor then import it here,
    you have to pay import tariffs.
    
    I just realized (duh) that Digital has moved the last software development
    of my department's products out of the US and we now just COPY the
    finished product back and sell it here, same as always.  Isn't this
    the same issue?
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2916.1QUARK::LIONELFree advice is worth every centThu Feb 24 1994 16:274
Import duties are established for specific classes of merchandise.  As far
as I know, there are no import duties for software.

				Steve
2916.2PASTIS::MONAHANhumanity is a trojan horseSat Feb 26 1994 05:3612
    	In principle, most countries have import duties for anything that
    has a definable value. When travelling to a customer site with software
    on a tape, to avoid duty I have had to get the correct paperwork for
    "temporary import" which means that you pay no duty if you take it out
    again within a short specified period. If you are travelling abroad
    with magnetic media you would be well advised to investigate what you
    might need in the way of paperwork. I once spent a very uncomfortable
    hour at Heathrow airport with a magtape of VMS sources. I think they
    eventually let me go on grounds of insanity.
    
    	Fortunately the customs officers generally don't know how to handle
    it when it is imported over the net. ;-)
2916.3EICMFG::MMCCREADYMike McCready Digital-PCSSun Feb 27 1994 12:237
    > If you are travelling abroad with magnetic media you would be well
    > advised to investigate what you might need in the way of paperwork.
    
    Which covers of course not only complying with import regulations of
    the country travelling to or through, but also export licensing. 
    
    Mike
2916.4PASTIS::MONAHANhumanity is a trojan horseMon Feb 28 1994 03:1812
    	I should have mentioned export licensing. Many countries have
    export licensing restrictions. There are standard DEC products that I
    cannot get here in France without applying for a U.S. export licence.
    Equally, I have software on disk here that I cannot permit to go
    outside France without a French export licence.
    
    	For export licensing they don't care whether it was on a magtape or
    over the net - if it got to the other end without an export licence
    then you are guilty. I didn't mention it in my earlier reply because
    the majority of software is not subject to export licensing
    restrictions, and the base note was obviously oriented to software
    costs.
2916.5DPDMAI::EYSTERDogbert's Clues for the CluelessMon Feb 28 1994 11:157
    -.1
    
    Could you explain further what is and is not subject?  The base note
    was oriented to software costs only in that, given no import duties and
    all other things being equal, software should (and apparently is) being
    developed in countries with low labor costs then merely put on the
    distribution disks or ported across the net, duty free.
2916.6NOTIME::SACKSGerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085Mon Feb 28 1994 15:493
A former coworker of mine had reason to carry software from the U.S. to Canada.
He quickly discovered that "software" was subject to restrictions whereas "data"
was not.  From then on, he only carried data.
2916.7DRDAN::KALIKOWInfo Highway construction crewMon Feb 28 1994 15:553
    ... data written as input to compilers, or possibly data output from
    compilers and linkers, one surmises?  :-)
    
2916.8PASTIS::MONAHANhumanity is a trojan horseTue Mar 01 1994 04:5410
    re: .6 :-)
    	A long time ago I worked with someone who had previously worked on
    a project like that. They needed to get software listings regularly
    from the U.S. to Canada, and it was in the days before computer
    networks.
    
    	They discovered that the cheapest method was to drive the listings
    to the U.S. side of the border, make a local telephonbe call and have a
    typist type all the listings in to a teleprinter that was connected to
    a similar machine the other side of the border.
2916.9TOOK::MORRISONBob M. LKG1-3/A11 226-7570Tue Mar 01 1994 10:2212
>    	They discovered that the cheapest method was to drive the listings
>    to the U.S. side of the border, make a local telephonbe call and have a
>    typist type all the listings in to a teleprinter that was connected to
>    a similar machine the other side of the border.

  This must have been a LONG time ago. I would think even a 300 baud acoustic
modem would have been faster.
  .0 raises an interesting dilemma. It would be impractical for Customs to
monitor everything that goes across international borders on the net. But the
fact that U.S. companies can develop software overseas and send it back to the
U.S. duty-free, but can't do the same for most material goods, raises some
interesting questions about job security, etc.
2916.10Big Brother is already on the move ...DPDMAI::UNLANDTue Mar 01 1994 14:5117
    re: .9 and monitoring international data traffic ...
    
>.0 raises an interesting dilemma. It would be impractical for Customs to
>monitor everything that goes across international borders on the net.
    
    Actually, the opposite is the case. The US Government *already*
    monitors everything that goes across the wire internationally, in
    the name of "National Security". It would be relatively simple for
    US Customs to add computers and software to the existing operation
    for the purpose of identifying and regulating inbound and outbound
    software. Much the same as virus programs do today, the Customs
    programs could look for "signatures" that indicate program code 
    as opposed to raw data. All of this could be automated very cheaply,
    compared to what it costs for human inspectors. Judging from some
    recent Government RFP's on the street, this may already be underway.
    
    Geoff