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Conference 7.286::digital

Title:The Digital way of working
Moderator:QUARK::LIONELON
Created:Fri Feb 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5321
Total number of notes:139771

2907.0. "Need Data Copy Service" by WHODA5::DECOLA () Fri Feb 18 1994 11:05

	Sorry if this is the wrong place to put this, but we have a customer
with a PDP-11/23 and RL02 disks who needs to copy the data off the RL02 media
onto his VAX 6000s. This PDP system is no longer used and has no tape or net
work connection. If anyone knows of an internal or external service to copy 
these old disks to tape for the customer I would appreciate any info. You
can send VMS mail to the above address. 

Thanks,
John
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2907.1Any Venus system will do.MSE1::PCOTEProgammer-side air bag in placeFri Feb 18 1994 11:416
  Any VAX 86x0 can do the trick. The console/diags pack is a RL02.
  Simply remove the pack and spin up your disk. I believe the
  EXCHANGE utility can be use to copy the data from the RL02 to
  a local disk.

2907.2Even easier with RSXNESSIE::SOJDAFri Feb 18 1994 14:059
If the OS is RT-11 or RSTS, then EXCHANGE works easily.  If the OS is RSX, then
you don't even need to do that.  Just MOUNT the disks as an ODS-1 volume on VMS
(not sure of the exact syntax) and you can access or copy the files directly on
to a VMS volume.

However, if I read .0 correctly I think the problem is not having access to a
VMS system with RL02 disks

Larry
2907.3PASTIS::MONAHANhumanity is a trojan horseSun Feb 20 1994 04:0124
    	You don't mention how many RL02 disks he needs to copy.
    
    	If you move them to a place in-house where we have an RL02 drive
    then there is the cost of transporting the disks there (and presumably
    back again), the cost of a DEC person's time to do the copy, and the
    cost of the media that can be read by the VAX 6000s. All of these
    increase with the number of RL02s.
    
    	As an alternative you could sell him an Ethernet interface, DECnet
    software for the PDP-11/23, and a couple of hours of consultancy to set
    up a copy procedure that some unskilled member of his staff could
    follow. All of these are flat costs independant of the number of RL02s.
    The only variable part of his cost is the time of his own unskilled
    person. And he has an increased value PDP-11/23 if he decides to
    re-sell it when he has finished all the copies. There might be a very
    similar approach selling them a tape drive instead of an Ethernet
    interface.
    
    	There must be a cross-over point between the two approaches, and I
    would have no idea where that might be. I used to know a customer that
    had an archive of several hundred RL02s - you would need a removals
    firm to get them to a DEC office, have to throw half a dozen employees
    out of their offices to store the disks while they were being copied,
    and have man-weeks of someone feeding disks into the drive.
2907.4"Software Publishing Service"MIMS::PRENDERGASTThu Feb 24 1994 14:146
    There is the "Software Publishing Service"  for media replication and
    duplication.  This is a service sold to customers. To get more
    information call 1-800-448-MRDS to determine if this is appropriate for
    this customer.