Title: | The Digital way of working |
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Created: | Fri Feb 14 1986 |
Last Modified: | Fri Jun 06 1997 |
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Worldwide News LIVE WIRE -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Text of Bob Palmer's Q3 Employee Forum ... Date: 07-Feb-1994 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Text of Bob Palmer's Q3 Employee Forum address on DVN (Following is the text of Bob Palmer's DVN address to employees. A transcript of the question and answer session will be posted in LIVE WIRE later this week.) A couple of weeks ago, I sent a message to every employee that put our quarterly earnings report in perspective. I'm going to review that information briefly because it will set the context for the key messages I want to share with you today. For the second quarter of the 1994 fiscal year, we reported a loss of $72 million on total sales of $3.25 billion -- or about two cents per dollar of sales. I am not satisfied with any loss. However, this one was slightly less than what we reported in the comparable quarter one year ago -- despite a revenue decline of approximately $435 million. In fact, this marks five consecutive quarters of improving year-over-year results, following 17 quarters of declining year-over-year results. If we look at the first six months of the year, we managed to cut our loss in half, despite a drop in revenue of $735 million. Put another way, if we had not successfully reduced our costs as we have done, our loss for the six months would have been greater than three quarters of a billion dollars. And, as I said, at a loss of about two cents on the dollar, we are currently operating very near our financial break-even point -- a critical point in our turnaround efforts. We have been extremely successful in cutting and curbing expenses. We will continue to do that, as we must. But our major emphasis now is -- and will continue to be -- to support our worldwide sales and services professionals so that they can increase our revenue so that we can become profitable again as quickly as possible. An extensive study of companies in financial trouble similar to ours in 1992 reveals that a successful turnaround of a company this size is a multi-year task. It is simply unrealistic to believe that we can turn around a company of this size overnight -- but we are definitely making progress by following a rational and systematic approach to transforming our company. We all know that it took us several years to get in significant trouble, and it is going to take some time to recover fully. That's the reality. It's not easy for any of us, but it is a fact. We need to remind ourselves of this so that we don't become discouraged and lose sight of our attainable goal of sustained growth and profitability. We also need to remind ourselves of the reality of our situation so that we don't lose sight of the two things that are critical to our success: One, we must remain focused on achieving total customer satisfaction. It must ultimately drive everything that we do. And two, we must all work together in the same direction. Think about this: I cannot save your job. Your manager cannot. Only our customers can ensure that you are successfully employed. We were very clear when we began engineering Digital's turnaround that one of the areas in need of attention was sales and marketing. We knew that we had become in large part disconnected from our customers, had not been listening to them, and had overlooked their needs and requirements. We had ignored the demand from our customers for open systems. As part of our increased focus on the customer, we organized the company around industry business units that would concentrate on selling solutions to specific types of industries with specialized needs. Understanding customer needs as the customer interprets them was -- and is -- imperative to success in the marketplace. But we realized soon after we began implementing our industry business unit structure that we were creating too many duplications and too much confusion in the field. We had built in unintentional complications that hindered doing business and became roadblocks to growing product revenue for the company. We also succumbed to the temptation to revert to internal focus rather than customer focus. And we began to get additional feedback -- from analysts and others -- that we did not have enough sales and marketing focus on products, on our bread and butter software and hardware that drive revenue across industries. We continued losing market share. Our revenue continued to drop in our traditional core VAX/VMS-related business faster than growth in our new businesses expanded. Quite simply, we needed to correct that. In my November DVN with you, I showed you this slide to demonstrate how the industry business units would report into worldwide sales and marketing to help us reduce complications --and to help me track more easily how the business was doing. The new System Business Unit, which we just renamed -- and which one or two members of the business press have blown out of proportion as some radical change in direction -- is not any different from the core products slice of the company. What we did was segment this six billion dollar piece of our business so that we can understand how we are doing in all of our various product dimensions. With respect to the media, it is helpful to keep in mind that the media are in the business of tracking down and reporting news. That's their job. But I've found, unfortunately, that sometimes the media do not develop an accurate understanding of the facts. The press is making a correlation between our second quarter results and the latest organizational refinement of the Systems Business Unit. They're simply not directly related, in terms of quarterly results. What is related is that over the past several quarters, we've seen that our products business was not doing well. The issue became how to get more focus on the products business to balance the industry business -- and that was the genesis of the Systems Business Unit. The Systems Business Unit includes five product segments. Those five segments are: o client/server software o OpenVMS client/server systems and software o UNIX/Windows NT client/server systems o memory and peripheral upgrades o and network products Our products have never been stronger across the entire spectrum of client/server computing. The Systems Business Unit has been put in place to respond quickly and thoroughly to the marketplace with these superior offerings. It will provide focus on products which are critical to Digital's ongoing business success. Each product segment will have a different business model, based on the objective for that segment. Now, as a company, as a culture, we seem to have done two things around this Systems Business Unit announcement which do not help any of us at all. First, we've taken it to mean that we have given up on industries -- which we have not. Approximately 55% of our sales professionals and resources worldwide remain aligned by industry. And second, we seem to have turned it into a discussion of who's in charge. The Board and I have discussed this in great detail. This refinement of our organization is definitely not a change in direction. It clarifies it, helps manage our business, and continues to be customer focused. The creation of the Systems Business Unit does not signify a change in strategy. It is not about "who's in charge." The senior management of the company and I made all of these decisions together, after careful analysis and spirited debate. It is not about who has more power than someone else. It is an issue of focus on our customers. The world in which we compete is complex, with more than one dimension. It became very clear that we could not simply treat our broad array of products as a homogeneous block. The competition isn't doing that. Our most successful competitors are looking at different pieces of the market -- horizontal slices as opposed to a vertical integration -- and we need to understand our revenue and our costs against the competition. Many parts of our traditional product space now face focused competition from companies that specialize in that relatively narrow band. The Systems Business Unit will help us focus our product efforts and understand better how to compete in all of the areas its various pieces represent. We need to have different strategies to compete successfully in different areas. However, our industry organization will continue to be a key part of our total marketing picture because they understand specific customer needs. They know how to pull together systems and solutions that customers want and need in specific industries, with specialized requirements. And they are the ones who will work across the Systems Business Unit in an integrated way. As the chief information officer of a major pharmaceutical company in the U.K. told me when I visited him last week, one of the biggest values Digital brings to him is an improved understanding of his business -- and understanding how information technology can be applied to make it successful. So this is not a matter of "one or the other" -- of product versus industry. It has nothing to do with industry focus going away, or any one group or individual having more or less power. It has everything to do with what we've committed to doing -- which is turning this company around and making it profitable. Retuning, refining, adjusting -- whatever you want to call it -- it all comes down to a matter of market realities; of competitive challenges that must be met; of constantly re-examining our understanding of what being competitive means; and of cohesion and the successful balance of complementary capabilities within Digital. Responsibility We all have specific responsibilities in Digital. Marketing needs to understand the marketplace and interpret customer needs. Engineering needs to design the products and services that our customers want. Sales, marketing, engineering and services need to have continuous communication and linkages to ensure that the customer voice is heard and responded to by our infrastructure. More than ever before, this demands balance and teamwork. In a traditionally engineering-driven company, engineering may perceive this as a loss of "power." That would be a very mistaken perception. Engineering is still the technology expert. But to be successful, technology must be defined by customer and industry needs through rational market research and knowledge. It is my job as CEO to pull these different talents and responsibilities and marketplace dimensions together in a unified direction and strategy. That's what I am doing. As long as we speculate on changes for the sake of speculation -- and as long as we obsess about who's in charge, about where the power lies -- we are missing the focus on our customers, on our competition, and on our work. There will undoubtedly be more changes coming -- more "tune- ups" and adjustments -- as we learn more about operating in today's marketplace, and as we refine our ability to meet customer needs. We've made many changes in the past 18 months. With any change of the magnitude experienced by Digital, mid-course corrections are almost always inevitable. But we cannot divide ourselves in the process. We must all work together -- in the same direction -- to achieve our goals. That means all of us, the members of the strategy committee, the territory management, the business unit leaders, middle management -- and, for that matter, every single employee. Each and every one of the strategy committee members, each and every one of the territory managers, has very clear goals. And the Board and I are holding each and every one responsible for meeting their specific goals. We are also holding everyone responsible for teamwork, at every level and in every corner of the organization. We are within striking distance of returning to profitable growth if all of us continue to focus on our work. We have bright spots from the first half of fiscal 1994 that indicate efforts are paying off: o We see a surging demand for our personal computers. o There has been continued steady progress in Alpha AXP workstations, networking components and peripherals. o Our storage products, particularly StorageWorks, are extremely well received, and we have won seven major video on demand trials, although only two have been announced. o We were successful in growing our business in the Asia Pacific region. We are on track with our strategies and plans. We are making good progress in simplifying our product offerings, making it easier for the sales organization to sell, the customer to buy, and the supply and delivery channels to ensure customer satisfaction. We will be funding and measuring our global accounts on a global basis. We have made good, positive strides in turning around our relationships with our distributors, value-added remarketers and independent software vendors. We've completed a transition from very undisciplined pricing to a pricing policy that makes sense. And we are continuing to unite our focuses on industry solutions and leadership products and services under the banner of open client/server computing. The very successful Oct. 12 open client/server announcement has led to $1.2 billion in firm proposals for business. And we have already been able to close $266 million in business from that. On Feb. 8, we will announce the second wave of our open client/server initiative, with more than 200 major new software products that make it easier and more attractive for customers to move to and implement client/server computing. The announcement will highlight integrated products that we and our partners can deliver now. Employee morale Our efforts and our results in several areas provide further evidence that we are on track and headed in the right direction. The turnaround is not as fast as we wish it could be, but our direction and focus is clear -- and we are poised at this point in time with many things working in our favor. Unfortunately, I know from talking to you and from the Notes files that morale is not good. We frequently are not pulling together as a team. Many of you are not happy, and in many cases, you're not engaged. That doesn't surprise me. Frankly, some days it's hard for me, too. And there is nothing our competition prefers more than for us to be divided or weakened inside. I firmly believe that we can succeed. We need to put all of our energy on doing instead of speculating and worrying. If we all work together and hold to our commitments, together we can pull ourselves out of our remaining difficulties. I wish I could stand here and tell you that there will never be another downsizing. But we are still over-resourced nearly everywhere. It comes down to a matter of what we can afford -- or what our customers will pay to support our resources. How do we size appropriately to give the best value to the customer? How do we size appropriately for the margins we currently have? It's a different situation for different territories and locations, and management has to wrestle with these things. Downsizings must be accompanied by some re-definition of the work -- or simple elimination of work that isn't of importance to the customer. On the other hand, we must focus on every single one of us being as productive as we can, so we can grow revenue and satisfy our customers. And we need to get past our nervousness and speculation as a group if we are to grow the business. Some of you may be aware of the fact that Digital has begun conducting focus groups throughout North America -- a preliminary step in a planned company-wide survey -- to learn in depth how you're feeling, and help identify how we can improve our relationships with our employees. Your messages thus far are very clear. This is a sampling of what we've found -- and it's not always pleasant to hear: o Some of you definitely feel the need to know more about what's happening within Digital. o Some of you are losing faith in the credibility of the senior management teams. o Some of you are still feeling focused internally rather than externally. o Some of you are concerned about Digital losing credibility with customers. You've used a wide variety of words and phrases to describe the culture today at Digital -- among them stressful, paralysis, bureaucratic, intellectually stimulating, smart people, high integrity, secretive, people covering their rear ends, very ethical, political. The focus groups also identified these trends, across the board: o People in Digital want to make a difference. o You believe in the excellence of our products and services. o You truly enjoy your work -- and express a high degree of responsibility to do your work well. o And you care about our company and about each other. I know I have the privilege of working for some of the best employees in any company, in any industry. Our challenge is to make sure that we capitalize on the pride and good feeling left in Digital employees -- and make that work for you and for the company. People are very busy, and too often management thinks, "Well, surely I'm too busy to spend any time talking about the company's values." That's complete nonsense. Our values, our morale, our confidence are absolutely important to our success as an enterprise -- now and for the long term. I have to say that not everyone on my staff has an equal passion for Digital's values, although they're loath to say so since it's quite clear to them that I do. But they're learning. Some of them even think I'm a nuisance when I want to talk about the people of Digital along with our core competencies and business strategies. Too bad. I want you to know that morale and confidence in the company is my top priority -- and we as leaders and managers are going to address that issue. That doesn't mean we're going to be feeding you all some pap about how great it is. That is inconsistent with my value system! We need open dialogues -- and honest sharing of information. By July of this year, every employee will have had the opportunity to participate in the Worldwide Employee Survey that we have piloted. We will be looking for views about a range of subjects -- the company, management, your jobs, your contributions to customer success. The information will help us to identify the areas we need to change -- and areas of strength we need to preserve as we renew our company. Through local discussions of the survey results, managers and employees will create action plans to improve the business and the environment whenever and wherever possible. Your responses will also be mapped to our Core Values so that we can understand better where we are as a company in actually living the values. Values are aspirational. Unfortunately, in some parts of the organization, the reality does not necessarily reflect our value system I know that some areas of the company have already started having important conversations about Core Values. I also know that many of you feel that it is risky in today's environment to speak up about things that are on your minds. But if open dialogue and ongoing discussions do not happen, we will not be able to address important issues -- to fix what needs to be changed and to preserve what is important. I encourage all of you to speak openly and constructively to help Digital succeed.
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2891.1 | Dissappointed | RUTILE::AUNGIER | Ren� Aungier, All CONSULTING OPPORTUNITIES wanted | Wed Feb 09 1994 08:15 | 7 |
There was a question asked during the broadcast which Bob did not answer. It had to do with INTERNET etc and Bob went off on a tangent talking around the question. I was very disappointed with the answers to the questions. The rest was reasonable. I had expected some morale boosting speech. Ren� | |||||
2891.3 | CVG::THOMPSON | Who will rid me of this meddlesome priest? | Wed Feb 09 1994 09:58 | 9 | |
> Re: Employee Morale - Does this mean Bob reads the files?? Could be. Though most likely there are people on his staff who do and report summaries and perhaps notes of particular interest. One should never write things in notes that they don't want their boss and the management chain between them up to and including Bob Palmer to see. Alfred | |||||
2891.4 | CSC32::C_BENNETT | Wed Feb 09 1994 10:05 | 12 | ||
Re: Employee Morale - Does this mean Bob reads the files?? Hopefully an CEO doesn't waste time with notes conferences. I would imagine that he has more important issues. Although it sounds like he is aware of morale issues. I was with another company that went thru hard times in the semiconductor industry and it does hurt morale. You have 2 choices - stew in the negative or take an active positive role in the recovery of our company. Hopefully you are in a position which allows you to do this. I would reccomend that we not stew on what is bad with Digital but concentrate on helping our customers. | |||||
2891.5 | CSC32::C_BENNETT | Wed Feb 09 1994 10:47 | 17 | ||
.5 When the rewards at the end of a day for an employee for doing .5 a good job are 0% What Digital doesn't pay you a paycheck for your work? Do you have health insurance provided for you? DONT take this for granted! I get tired of people thinking that a job is where you go to get your ego petted. .5 and a bad review despite customer feedback to the contrary, try .5 and be positive then. Or what be negative and hate your job... review. or maybe we as a company need to buckle down and get a job done despite everything. I need to call a customer | |||||
2891.6 | SAHQ::LUBER | I have a Bobby Cox dart board | Wed Feb 09 1994 11:06 | 5 | |
re .4 I wouldn't consider it a waste of time for Bob to read this conference. It's probably the only place where he can really learn (a) what's going on, (b) what's wrong, and (c) how to fix it. | |||||
2891.7 | BP mentions Notes in the DVN | MUZICK::WARNER | It's only work if they make you do it | Wed Feb 09 1994 11:12 | 9 |
>> Unfortunately, I know from talking to you and from the Notes >>files that morale is not good. We frequently are not pulling together >>as a team. Many of you are not happy, and in many cases, you're not >>engaged. (from .0) Either he's reading Notes, or someone is telling him about them! | |||||
2891.8 | "Boss , what makes you so intelligent .-)?" | BONNET::WLODEK | Network pathologist. | Wed Feb 09 1994 11:32 | 6 |
Why not invite more field people to the DVN ? Lots of questions in this particular DVN was from HQ folks. Which is fine but maybe not next time again. Wlodek | |||||
2891.9 | NIT | GRANMA::MWANNEMACHER | red neck, white sox & blue ribbon | Wed Feb 09 1994 11:43 | 2 |
RE: .5 We have a portion of health insurance provided for us. | |||||
2891.10 | SPECXN::WITHERS | Bob Withers | Wed Feb 09 1994 12:06 | 15 | |
>================================================================================ >Note 2891.4 Bob Palmer Employee DVN text 4 of 9 >CSC32::C_BENNETT 12 lines 9-FEB-1994 10:05 >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Re: Employee Morale - Does this mean Bob reads the files?? > > Hopefully an CEO doesn't waste time with notes conferences. Nope, hopefully Mr. Palmer gets useful information to guage employee morale and issues from Notes Conferences, as well as technical and business problems. I would hope that he would follow Digital, Marketing, DCU, and a few other strategic Notes Conferences. BobW | |||||
2891.11 | SPECXN::WITHERS | Bob Withers | Wed Feb 09 1994 12:08 | 13 | |
(d) what the latest rumors are 8-) >================================================================================ >Note 2891.6 Bob Palmer Employee DVN text 6 of 9 >SAHQ::LUBER "I have a Bobby Cox dart board" 5 lines 9-FEB-1994 11:06 >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > re .4 > > I wouldn't consider it a waste of time for Bob to read this conference. > It's probably the only place where he can really learn (a) what's going > on, (b) what's wrong, and (c) how to fix it. > | |||||
2891.12 | Some Do, Some Don't - I Would! | FHOHUB::JAMBE::JAMBE | Lemmings are Born Leaders! | Wed Feb 09 1994 12:37 | 13 |
Re: Some SLT members being sent NOTES comments - It can be confirmed that Russ Gullotti has been forwarded entries from this NOTES conference. I was tracked down by his office via the network police regarding note entry 2609.29 - His office wanted to confirm the author of the entry and schedule a time when he could call. I said I was flexible. That was in September. Russ should be given high marks for his DVN's - he communicates very well. We are pleased that he was able to reschedule DVN's outside "quite periods" and can only hope that his call was to thank us for the suggestion. | |||||
2891.13 | channels... | CSC32::C_BENNETT | Wed Feb 09 1994 13:00 | 8 | |
I guess I don't understand how engaging a CEO with everyones (85,000?) employees morale complaints would solve everyones problems. If you have a morale problem maybe a good talk to your immediate manager is the right thing to do. If this doesn't give you peace of mind then maybe you want to elevate to their immediate manager. I would expect that during this discussion that a positive method of addressing the problem would be hashed out. | |||||
2891.14 | But the emperor has EARS! | NEMAIL::HANRON | Wed Feb 09 1994 13:30 | 16 | |
re .13 I don't think it's a waste of time for the CEO to listen to his/her employees' morale issues. Whether there are 85,000 employees or 5 employees, it is generally well understood that middle layers of management do not communicate the general condition of the playing field. It is increasingly difficult to keep an eye on on these things as one goes up the corporate ladder, I would think. When an organization is reduced to resolving issues strictly by corporate process, I would think that that is where the problems really begin. People buy from people, the old sales saying goes. When people (i.e., employees) don't mean much to a company's leaders anymore, then who might we assume that customers might turn to instead ? Perhaps companies where people ARE valued enough to be listened to (if only rarely) at the top. | |||||
2891.15 | My .02 | GLDOA::DBOSAK | The Street Peddler | Wed Feb 09 1994 13:36 | 67 |
I've tried to respond to this string twice already and each time I wasn't able to get to the point. Third time's the charm (Hopefully): Palmer and crew have a grip on what is happening. They hold the view that it took a long time for the company to get sick and there aren't any instant miracle cures to make it feel better. In order to heal the patient, they are trying different approaches. That takes time. Inherent in that approach are successes and failures. As to employees, Palmer holds the view that employees pretty much have ownership of continued employment (even though we are "over-resourced" for the market.) He is aware of the pervasive negativism and in the fact that there are folks who won't "Engage." He knows there is a morale issue. I think he understands and I think he and his crew are working towards solutions. We had an executive breakfast briefing in my patch hosted by Colotosti -- He had some interesting views (Some things were new to me). Did U know that five years ago we had 2 Bil in pre-tax profit. Since then, we grew by 4 Billion in revenue with profits at essentially break-even. Our margins went from 75% (gross) to 35% (gross). (That 17 quarter reference) Hmmmm -- How do we maintain the status quo in that scenario? My take is that you can't. Colotosti had some other observations: There was a paradigm shift from Bigger systems, Bigger margins to smaller lower margin commodity type products. We missed the dymamics in that shift. We were staffed for "A" in a "B" world -- Sounds like a disconnect. He had another interesting point -- Things happen in cycles -- In the mid-80s, Digital was growing by 40% and had money to burn. The competition was sucking wind. Now, 10 years later, with the directional shift of the company AND the product suite, we are positioned to be on the front of the Curve -- As we were in the 80s. My take is that we have a window and we can run like hell through it or we can miss it. It's up to us. Palmer can do whatever he wants but if worker-bees continue to only focus on the negative, continue to dis-engage, continue to look inward rather than outward - The only thing Palmer will do is to suck wind -- He can't get this thing done on his own and I believe that's one of the messages he delivered. It's time. My .02 Dennis In that time interval, we went from 35 plants to 12. | |||||
2891.16 | SPECXN::WITHERS | Bob Withers | Wed Feb 09 1994 13:37 | 10 | |
The low morale of Digital employees is epidemic in proportion. I don't think this conference is about individual morale problems; it reflects the general climate. So, there's one morale problem with 85,00 instances. Now, there's a touch of hyperbole in the previous statement -- I'm pretty sure the SLT doesn't have a morale problem. BobW | |||||
2891.17 | XLIB::SCHAFER | Mark Schafer, Development Assistance | Wed Feb 09 1994 13:45 | 8 | |
I liked his candor, although not included in the livewire article. One of his statements about running the business was "Don't run out of cash! Anyone running a burger stand knows that." And then he went on to show the good side of our financial situation. What did I take from that? I now understand that his day-to-day business decisions are alot like my personal decisions. Mark | |||||
2891.18 | Speaking of business decisions | QBUS::M_PARISE | Southern, but no comfort | Wed Feb 09 1994 14:10 | 7 |
Re: -1 Like if I had a hamburger business that was losing customers and money, the first thing I would do is give myself a raise. | |||||
2891.19 | XLIB::SCHAFER | Mark Schafer, Development Assistance | Wed Feb 09 1994 15:31 | 6 | |
> give myself a raise The board approves the raises (and all other compensation). BP stated during the Q&A that no VP was given a bonus in Q2. Mark | |||||
2891.20 | STAR::ABBASI | always give a check,it might be mate | Wed Feb 09 1994 15:32 | 12 | |
.12 > It can be confirmed that Russ Gullotti has been forwarded entries from > this NOTES conference. OMIGOD !! do you have any idea if may be any of my notes saw their way to the SLT offices please? \nasser | |||||
2891.21 | CVG::THOMPSON | Who will rid me of this meddlesome priest? | Wed Feb 09 1994 15:40 | 9 | |
> do you have any idea if may be any of my notes saw their way to the SLT > offices please? I'll tell you what, I round up a few of your notes and send them off the the SLT members I can find Email addresses for. That way we'll know. Hope this helps. Alfred | |||||
2891.22 | XLIB::SCHAFER | Mark Schafer, Development Assistance | Wed Feb 09 1994 15:41 | 1 | |
maybe some turkey recipes. :-) | |||||
2891.23 | RUSURE::MELVIN | Ten Zero, Eleven Zero Zero by Zero 2 | Wed Feb 09 1994 17:07 | 10 | |
> The board approves the raises (and all other compensation). BP > stated during the Q&A that no VP was given a bonus in Q2. BP seemed to be using 'officer of the corporation' VP definition... He mentioned something like 23 or so? ANyway, I felt the questioner meant VP as in the 100+ people that have the VP title, officer of the corp not being a criterion. To me, it seemed like just about every question was evaded. MY opinion only. -Joe | |||||
2891.24 | DYOSW8::BROWNE | Wed Feb 09 1994 18:30 | 25 | ||
Let me be real frank with the following thoughts from the DVN: 1. Bob Palmer's stated "top priority is the morale and confidence in the company", and by any measure that morale and confidence is at an all time low! 2. " We had $240 million in orders left after Q2 that we couldn't ship." ---- Yes, and whose responsible? ( Hint: Don't say sales because of poor forecasting. The problems with our forecasting process and and the associated admin systems have been repeatedly brought to the attention of the SLT over the past year.) 3. Over the past 14 months, we in Digital have spent 7 months planning and 7 additional months implementing a "Customer Business Unit" structure that created "too many duplications and too much confusion...We had built in unintentional complications that hindered doing business and became roadblocks to growing product revenue...We also succumbed to the temptation to revert to internal focus rather that customer focus." Given the condition of this company in July of 1992, that was 14 months that we could not afford to lose to confusion. Our business is not very similar to baseball! This business is much TOUGHER..... BUT...Three strikes and you are out. | |||||
2891.25 | Only by making the PIE bigger will we truely succeed | DPDMAI::WISNIEWSKI | ADEPT of the Virtual Space. | Wed Feb 09 1994 19:27 | 34 |
All the audiance questions were internally focused on how Digital works (property, legal, IM&T) and Mr Palmer attempted to answer the questions with redirection into the answers he wanted to give in the first place. I took exception to the statement and repeated statment that VAX/VMS declining sales are responsible for our poor performance and that OSF/1 and WNT haven't ramped up to take the place of these lost revenues. We are shipping record levels of all our platforms (OpenVMS included) the real culprit is the decline of real cost for computer power and the margins we no longer make on large boxes. Computer hardware and OSs are commodities and we are downsizing in the wake of these reduced costs. OpenVMS customer demand and Number of licences are up but the boxes are Workstations, PCs and small servers that aren't nearly as expensive as the boxes we made just a couple of years ago while packing hundreds of times the power of our previous systems. The margins aren't coming back and we'd better get comfortable living on commodity hardware or have some real added value in software or consulting to make up the difference.... Some real volumes of our systems wouldn't hurt either... OpenVMS isn't the cash cow it once was because smaller cows are the order of the day. We either sell more cows or live on less cash... OpenVMS was 70%+ of the systems business last quarter, Let's build on that not compete against it with OSF/1 or WNT...Only by making the pie bigger for Digital will we truely succeed. There's no margins in only changing the pie's contents... | |||||
2891.26 | warp speed scotty! | HIBOB::KRANTZ | Next window please. | Thu Feb 10 1994 01:34 | 2 |
If morale is highest priority, why will it take 6 months just to get the results of the survey? | |||||
2891.27 | Q3 Employee DVN Q & A | TRACTR::SAPP | Random Kindness/Senseless Acts Beauty | Thu Feb 10 1994 09:31 | 724 |
Worldwide News LIVE WIRE Q&A from Employee Forum DVN broadcast (Following is an edited transcript of the question-and-answer session that followed President and CEO Bob Palmer's Q3 Employee Forum address on DVN last Monday. The first two questions were asked of Bob when he was in the UK last month. (Videotapes of the Q3 Employee Forum can be ordered on-line via OPAL. Type VTX OPAL at your system prompt. Choose #10, AVCATALOG; then select #3, "New Titles." Under that submenu, select #2, "DVN Q3 Employee Forum.") There's a perception that Bob Palmer is no longer running the company and that Ed Lucente is actually taking over. What's the reality? That's not Ed's perception. That's not my perception. And frankly, it does a disservice to all of the other direct reports that run large pieces of our business. The reason I think some people think that is again because of a completely erroneous article in "Business Week." The reality is that each of the six business units is more than a billion dollar business, and everybody has a piece of what's necessary to turn the company around. I think Ed's is the largest, but services taken together between Gresh Brebach and John Rando's a little large. But in any event, everybody has taken on additional responsibility and everybody's responsible. In that regard, I was quite pleased that Ed was willing to take on the additional risk and the additional responsibility of running our Systems Business Unit. Major changes and substantial cuts are being made in Europe. What, if anything, is being done of a similar nature in the US, particularly at corporate? Well, the reason that there is that perception is that we have just announced a downsizing in the next months in Europe that's quite substantial -- between 5,500 and 6,000 people, as I recall. But we have actually been downsizing during the time that I was running Manufacturing, and since becoming CEO, across the globe and relatively uniform. We were a little slower to get around to Europe because we didn't have permanent leadership in Europe until very recently, and so it feels a little harder in Europe right now. But basically they're catching up with the rest of the company. In the Property organization, we have been aggressively decreasing our portfolio in relationship to the downsizing of employees. With new senior management on board, their expectations are for higher space standards, including far more space square footage for their individual offices, which may be appropriate for them, but it is setting a precedent for the rest of the company. Can you give us some guidance on how we should deal with this issue? FOR DIGITAL INTERNAL USE ONLY Worldwide News LIVE WIRE We don't need big-shot offices for me or for my staff. Our company is one that has striven over the years, sometimes successfully, sometimes not, to maintain a minimum of social distance between the different levels of management and the company, and that's the way we need to keep it here at Digital. You know, we are all on the same team and we are all valuable employees of this team. We don't want to create unnecessary accoutrements, you might say, to the different job levels. It is important, in some of our sales and marketing areas in particular, that we have a reasonably nice office to invite our customers into. But on the whole, we don't need any palatial estates in our company or any special privileges. I'm also from the Property organization. But I have a question about how we as headquarters staff can help in the customer outreach program. For example, we ourselves become customers, whether we're buying products for our home use or whether we're using it here in the office. And there are often times when we have a hard time dealing with the purchasing process, calling the right places, getting the right information about what it is we need to get. And it creates frustration for us, but then when you extrapolate that out to the customer base at large, you wonder how we can continue being successful. I think that's a very good observation. We can't continue being successful with that kind of a structure. And as you know, one of the largest activities we have going on in the company today is what we call the customer value chain re-engineering effort. We have customers out there that want somebody to show up from Digital and take an order. Having taken the order, they want somehow the stuff to be shipped. It seems like a very reasonable expectation. I've had customers tell me that they were unable to successfully complete that transaction because we were so complex. So we're redesigning the whole thing, and this is among the most urgent problems we have in the company. As a matter of fact, in the second quarter, I was disappointed at the results. We had about $240 million dollars of orders left that we didn't ship. So we've had supply problems, we've had order admin problems, we've had follow-up problems. We've got to fix this stuff. This is not a hobby, this is a business. We need to connect with our customers so we can make an exchange of our products and services for their money. It's pretty simple, and we've made it very hard, so we're trying to fix that problem. By the way, while I'm rattling on here, that Property Management group has done an excellent job of continuing to dispose of excess facilities that we have over the globe. Sometimes they don't get a lot of credit publicly, but since two people asked a question, it kind of stirred in my mind to say thank you, it's good work. We've been able to sell facilities in a very difficult market on a worldwide basis, and for the most part we've actually netted a slight gain in the facilities that we've sold. FOR DIGITAL INTERNAL USE ONLY Worldwide News LIVE WIRE I am representing the Law Department. My question for you is, are you concerned about the effect the press Digital has received through print, radio, and recently from our business analysts. Are you concerned about the effect this has on the company and our customers, and do you feel that we may work towards softening our image through this medium? Well, I do get concerned about it. Usually, I'm concerned about inaccuracies. I don't care for these articles where our Communications Department has provided the author with the facts, and the person just chooses to ignore the facts because they don't support the story that they've already written. I don't like that much. And to be honest, I haven't had much of that. I've been in the job now 16 months and I'd say with the exception of one or two articles just recently, I've been very well treated by the media. It's been very fair. I mean, they don't always print great stuff because we're obviously slogging through some difficult times, and I don't mind that. I do mind when there are distortions, inaccuracies, complete misrepresentations, because it does cause concern in the marketplace and it causes me to waste a lot of my cycles putting that kind of nonsense down. But again, the best thing we can do in the near term is get some profitability in the company. Relative to where we were, we have had a remarkable progress. You know, if you think about before I took on this job, we'd lost $3.9 billion dollars. In the five quarters, I think we've lost about $410 million, or about 11% of the previous. I'm not happy about losses, you know. But from where we were and the path we were on, this has been a remarkable turnaround as a result of all the hard work you've done. That's what's happened. We had one quarter where we didn't do that much better than the previous quarter, although on an earnings-per-share basis, it was a 7% improvement. On a profit after tax, about a 2% improvement. It was primarily because the revenue and our traditional VAX/VMS-based products and services is declining faster than the revenue from our new Alpha stuff can fill it in. Actually, Alpha's growing fast, but from a small base. That is a transition that we have to go through. We're going from VAX/VMS, that 32-bit architecture, to a new Alpha AXP 64-bit architecture. That transition is about a four-year transition anytime anybody makes a transition of that type; that's historical data. So this isn't any surprise, and in point of fact, we did a little better. Five quarters in a row better after 17 every quarter worse. So fundamentally, I do not have a problem with my board of directors, I do not have a problem with my conscience. I do have a problem in terms of feeling positive every day because I know there's a lot of pain out there as we restructure this company, but there is no alternative. There is no alternative. We've got to get competitive and we've got to grow our business, and that's what we're doing. FOR DIGITAL INTERNAL USE ONLY Worldwide News LIVE WIRE [Elin Lee] I'm with the M&L IM&T organization. My question is two-fold regarding Q2 spending. And how it is going -- if it is going to be continued in Q3. We're seeing more layoffs. I've survived a layoff. It's disintegrating employee morale, like you mentioned, and there were even requests to take time off without pay during Q2. And a lot of us heard a lot of rumors which I'm hoping you will refute. One is that there were 17% bonuses given to vice presidents in Q2. In the second quarter? In the second quarter. That's what I heard. They must have given them to each other. (Laughter) This person didn't approve any bonuses for anybody during the second quarter. You have to earn your bonus by the end of the year, which is the way it should be. Just right now our management team isn't earning any bonus. If we don't improve our performance between now and the end of the year, there won't be any bonus for the executives, including the speaker here. Nor should there be. On the other hand, we do have sales professionals whose part of their salary is a commission. Obviously we're paying that, and there might be some confusion about that. OK. We're hearing other things of other perks for our high-level executives, and I was just wondering if you can help us understand how compensation guidelines are derived for senior-level management versus other employees. Sure. Actually, I can absolutely answer that question. Compensation for all employees is derived by external survey. We go to external companies that are in the salary compensation business and we look at what is reasonable for different levels in our company versus our competitors. That's the same as for the officers. The difference in the case of the officers is that the board of directors specifically has to approve any kind of perks, salary increase, benefit or whatever for the officers and for those that are in the top five, you have to publish it as well, all of which I think is healthy. I mean, it should be that way. This is not our money. It's determined by the shareholders. And fundamentally, the board of directors has that responsibility. I have the direct responsibility below that level to make sure that these compensation is fair, and we're trying to move from a system that kind of paid everybody whether you contributed or not to a system that pays for contribution, a meritocracy. And we're going to take multiple years to do that because we haven't had that in our company. My view is people should be paid on the basis of their contribution, on their accomplishment, on the skills that they bring to satisfying our customers' needs. Not on how long they've been here, not on their gender, not on their race, not on their sexual preference FOR DIGITAL INTERNAL USE ONLY Worldwide News LIVE WIRE or religion. Those things are interesting but they're not important in terms of performance. What counts is what is your ability, what is my ability to contribute to the success of the enterprise. And every one of these salaries and benefits should stand up to public scrutiny vis-a-vis our competitors, and I can assure you that they do. The numbers are large for senior levels in a company of this size, no question about that. The numbers are large. And throughout the company they're reasonable. At the top, they're large and reasonable when compared to the competition. I can't defend the whole system, you know, I can't do that. But I can assure you that the way it's done is professional and relies on external data. I work in the US Benefits organization. Our group has responsibility for managing the benefit programs offered to the US employees, and I would say that, at least from this employee's opinion, that we're giving 150% towards the company, and I think, at least from my opinion, what would make me feel really good as an employee with regard to some of the things that you've spoken about is if somehow we could see the stock price reversing the trend that we've seen. To me, that would seem to be an indication that the things that you spoke about are really taking effect and that we are satisfying the customers. I think that's a very good observation. So I was wondering if you could comment on that You're exactly right. At one level that is kind of your report card as a company -- what is the market value of your company? And right now our stock is at a 52-week low, or very near it. That reflects the fact that the analysts are concerned that this decline in the VAX/VMS systems business is going to continue faster than we can bring up the Alpha AXP revenues. And analysts that trade this stuff, write about it, are very short-term. They look out three months, six months. This is not an investing kind of thing for the most part. We have some people that own our stock that hang on for the long term. There's an inertia in either direction. Things tend to overshoot on the upside or overshoot on the downside. Right now they're overshooting on the down side because analysts are concerned that we are not going to be able to stop this revenue decline. They have a reason to be concerned. I'm concerned, and the senior management of the company needs to be concerned. That was largely why we created that Systems Products Business Unit so that we could focus on slowing that decline, and we recognized that our VAX/VMS business is somewhat different from our Windows NT or UNIX businesses. And so we wanted to make those strategies different. We need to slow that decline. But you're right. You could look at the stock price and say, gee, relative to where we've been, how is that doing? Right now we're bumping along the bottom there. It also reflects a concern on the part of the analysts that if the revenue doesn't FOR DIGITAL INTERNAL USE ONLY Worldwide News LIVE WIRE recover, it means that we will have to take a large restructuring reserve, which reduces the book value of the company. That's what many of them are speculating about. I think it's too early to say on something like that, and I'm not making any forecasts. But I'm pretty cognizant of why they're concerned. So we all have the same concern here. Your number-one job, though, is not, surprisingly, shareholder value. Your number-one job is customer satisfaction. If you satisfy your customers the earnings and the sales growth will follow and the shareholder value will follow that. And so my focus really is on how do we satisfy our customers with superior products and service, how do we get the revenue and the earnings returned? Then the share price will follow. That's the objective. There's been a lot of speculation about divisionalizing the company or spinning off pieces into wholly-owned subsidiaries. Could you comment on that, please? The idea was if you remember that stack I had on the chart that talked about a vertically integrated computer company, which Digital has been for all of its career, really, and the de-layering, if you will, of pieces of that. That is, the electronics is largely now replaced by microchips, and there are a few companies in the microchip business at the very bottom of that stack. Up a notch is the operating systems, companies like Microsoft and Novell. Those companies are in that horizontal piece. You go up another piece, there might be data bases like Oracle and SyBase, and so on through the entire stack. The important thing is if you look in those horizontal slices, what you find is that even though our total investment's very large, our investment within any particular slice is not as large as the leading competitors in that slice. That means for the most part that you have a failing organizational strategy. We're a smart bunch of people here, smart engineering, smart everywhere, but so are our competitors. And if they're more focused and spending more money, the probability is they will be successful and we will not. So we have to organize our business and de-layer it a little bit, not totally. A good example would be, say, our personal computer business. Pull the personal computer business out, set it up as essentially a stand-alone division. That business is growing at double-digit rates, nearly 100% per year. It's astounding, really, the market after our three or four previous miserable attempts to penetrate the PC market. New leadership and Enrico Pesatori being very successful. You may have seen that our new Digital XL series was the first PC that was upgradable by just changing a little daughter card inside the PC from a 486-based machine to a faster 486 to a Pentium chip or to an Alpha chip. So the customer buys the box and all they have to do to upgrade it and keep it FOR DIGITAL INTERNAL USE ONLY Worldwide News LIVE WIRE powerful and current is change this one little card in there. That was best of show at several of the PC shows. And we basically could have shipped more product in Q2. We were essentially sold out, you know, in terms of our product. Storage is another good example I mentioned in my speech. You know, three or four years ago, we were headed right out of business building only big disks and ignoring the realities of the marketplace. Charlie Christ came in, turned that completely around. Our business is growing like crazy. We're a run rate now of something like a million disks a year. Can you imagine a million disks? That's the run rate and [it's] increasing. Again, we cannot meet the demand for those products. And the video on demand wins that we've had, four in the United States, three outside the United States. Major big telecommunications companies choosing Digital to partner with for their video on demand platform that was designed and developed within Charlie Christ's organization. So storage is a separate division -- got a separate business model, like PCs. You look at Digital Consulting. The consulting business, to go in and help customers with solutions is a different business than the systems business, so you need a different business model. So that's why we're setting these things up. Now the other part of your question, though, how about spinning them out and having them sold or something. There's no current plan to do that, but you have that opportunity if you set them up so that they're essentially independent. Also, if you're the chief executive, you have a much better chance of measuring each vice president's performance if they have a well-contained unit. The way it was when I took on the job, there was one thing that all came together as a big mush ball, and if you tried to figure out who's making money or losing money, there's nobody inside the company that could agree on that because it really depended on how much did you allocate to this person or that person of some kind of corporate load on the business. Today we can absolutely understand which of our business units is making money and growing, how much cash is it using, how many assets are employed, how many people are employed in the thing? All of the things you need to know in a business. Then you can decide, is that a business I want to be in or is that a business that Digital should let somebody else be in, or whatever. So we're making tremendous progress on getting this in a way that you can analyze it and manage it and run it. At the same time, that's largely driving a lot of the downsizing, because when you get into a business that has gross profit margins at 20%, say, like the PC business, you know right away you can't carry a lot of overhead. It just will not carry it. And so as we keep looking at those different business models, we have the opportunity to improve our overall performance. FOR DIGITAL INTERNAL USE ONLY Worldwide News LIVE WIRE By the way, in that quarter just ended of the six business units, four business units were doing better than their operating plan on profit. Four business units. Now when I talked to the board of directors at Q2, I wasn't feeling all that good because I really had expected we had a chance to break even in Q2, and we did if we'd shipped what we had orders for. That's not all Manufacturing's fault, by the way. A lot of times the orders came in too late to ship, and in most cases the forecast of the demand was not that close in terms of mix to what actually was ordered. So it's a generally shared problem. But anyway, I wasn't feeling that great about it and I was talking to the board about, well, but we did have four business units that made their profit goal. The board was ecstatic. They said four is more than they've ever seen in the company before actually make their achievements since our halcyon days in 1988. And so it's progress. Now the other two, they're not quite making their profit at this point. One expects to by the end of the year. The other one doesn't have a chance, and so the issue there is how can you minimize the losses in that one? But four are making it, and by the way, only one of those four is making the revenue plan. So the others are saying, gee, my revenue's not coming in as planned, I can manage this business to get the profit. And that is what management's about. So I want to be positive about it. I'm with the US Acquisition IM&T. Over the past year or so we've seen quite a few people transitioned out of the company, and at the same time a number of VPs have been hired. Do you see that streamlining upper-level management would help not only to eliminate some overhead but also help cut the bureaucracy in the company today? Actually, that may be a perception. It's not an accurate perception. The company had at one time since I've been in the company, some 45 officers. Today we have less than 26. Out of the 26 we have, more than 50% are new people. Either people promoted from within or hired from the outside. So the reason people might have that perception is we have these announcements and they say, gee, they hired somebody, they hired somebody, they hired somebody. It looks like a lot of vice presidents. This is a huge company, today at about 93,000 people, and you need some management structure. But as I say, it's 25 or 26 as opposed to 44. The other thing I look at, although you didn't ask it, is as we do the downsizings, I asked Dick Farrahar, who's head of Personnel, to get the data by job level. And I want to avoid this thing where what happens is all of the workers in the field get laid off and all of the management stays, you know, which is the traditional thing that happens in downsizings. And we have the data by job level, and Dick assures me that it's relatively uniform. The largest number in percentage terms are FOR DIGITAL INTERNAL USE ONLY Worldwide News LIVE WIRE exactly the vice presidents. It turns out that we have had a departure from our company of more vice presidents on a percentage level than any other category, and it was necessary in my view. [I'm in] Computer Network Services. There's a lot of necessary focus on our income statement, but shifting for a moment, with the downgrading of our debt and the debt registration, can you talk about your feelings on the trend in our balance sheet? Yes. I'm glad you asked that question. Digital continues to have one of the stronger balance sheets in the industry. That is to say, the amount of debt we have is approximately a billion dollars long-term debt. We have $1.1 billion dollars of cash on hand at the end of the quarter just ended, so it's very strong. In terms of the quarter, by the way, we had positive cash flow in operations. Just barely, but it was positive. It's very important that you maintain enough cash, and so what we did was had this registration of preferred stock which would enable us to raise several hundred million dollars, up to a billion if we need it, as working capital to run the business. But it's our intent to continue to maintain the balance sheet quite strong, and that is the chief focus of the chief financial officer and myself, and of course the comptroller of the company. So Bill Steul and [Vin] Mullarkey and I primarily focused on that. Now the group that's been spending all of their attention to it is our Treasury group under Ilene Jacobs, and she's done, and her team has done, just an outstanding job. You know, it was remarkable that we were able to get shareholder approval for that preferred stock offering. They managed that. They've managed all of our debt requirements very effectively, so we've got a quite competent Treasury function in this company, and that's very important. So the company is strong on the balance sheet, has plenty of cash to run the business, but on the other hand, our margins are continuing to decline. Let's talk about the business in kind of an overview. During the last year margins continued to decline rather dramatically. In fact, in the quarter just ended, the gross profit margin was down 23%. So that means you had 23% less dollars as a function of sales to pay for all of the stuff we needed. In addition to that, the mix of the products are such that it's moving away from the high profit margin, big machines and big systems to the desktop and deskside products. So this isn't going to reverse itself, in my view. We have to learn to live on less profit margin in order to maintain the strength of our balance sheet. And all of these things play together. Now it happens that, as I said in my speech, if we had not reduced research and engineering by some 18%, if we had not reduced our selling general and administrative overhead expenses FOR DIGITAL INTERNAL USE ONLY Worldwide News LIVE WIRE by 23%, then instead of having this $150 million dollars or so loss in the first two quarters, we would have had a loss of $750 million or more. That will destroy your balance sheet and so we can't allow that to happen. We've got to maintain two things here. Don't run out of cash. If you're running a hamburger stand, don't run out of cash. So if you're running a company this size, that's your number-one requirement -- do not run out of cash. And, you want to preserve a strong balance sheet. These are not that complicated, really. It's surprising, though, how many companies lose sight of that. I'm from IM&T. I wanted to ask you about an opportunity. We've heard a lot about the Internet and how it's turning into the international information infrastructure. I wonder if you could give us some of your thinking about how we might increase our already large current participation in that movement, not only internally but externally through consulting services, marketing, engineering, and sales? This is a very big area of opportunity for Digital. As I mentioned, right now Digital is far and away the leading vendor in terms of video on demand server wins. I wish I could announce some of these things, but the customers are quite clear that they want not to announce it until they're ready. So I'm told that one of them, a major one, is going to be announced this month in New York. We're going to have several others. This is where we have provided the storage platform, the networking, some software, some computing in the case of Alpha AXP, various architecture to enable a provider of video on demand to have an efficient way to do it. Some of them are trials, some of them are full-blown roll-outs that go on for multiple years and represent tens of millions of dollars in the first phase for Digital. This is an example of good selling, good marketing, understanding the market, good engineering, and Digital participating in that phase. But there are many other phases we could participate in. You know, on the user end in the home, you're going to need some kind of relatively serious computing in order to provide the full attributes that people envision for the national information infrastructure. The Alpha architecture would be ideal for that if we could drive the costs down. So there's many opportunities there. There are opportunities in wireless and mobile communications related - or computing related to this national information infrastructure. Now what we have is we have several people within the Senior Leadership Team working on a strategy, has been going on for a long time, both in my direct reports as well as with our strategy group, that ad hoc group that works for Lucia Quinn, looking at where are the opportunities for our technology in this unfolding national information infrastructure. And there are many of them. And as a matter of absolute fact, we're reviewing that FOR DIGITAL INTERNAL USE ONLY Worldwide News LIVE WIRE next week. It's kind of a check-in on the next phase of the work, and we're going to be looking at some proposals from the Communication, Education, and Media group, Paul Kozlowski's group. I think this is going to be a good opportunity for Digital. It's not the only opportunity, but it's one that we have so much talent and technology on we definitely should get some growth out of that part of the market. Thank you. I'm from the Designer Facilities organization. I have a product strategy question. Recently IBM, Motorola, and I believe Apple announced an alliance whereby they're producing this PowerPC [chip]. What does that mean for us in terms of our overall Alpha strategy? It means that the PowerPC is a viable competitor against the Alpha architecture. Now it happens that in most of these things there's a good deal more hype than reality. In this particular case, the PowerPC doesn't have any applications today. It will be running, though, the Macintosh 7 operating system for Apple, which is a big deal. The reason that they're getting so much play is because of that relationship. The IBM volumes are very low. They've only got one product that's even announced on it yet, and they don't have an operating system for it. But because the volumes for Apple are so high, people say, gee, that should be a successful operating environment. That should work. PowerPCs should have some volume. Now they're worried about Alpha. Will we have some volume in order for our costs to be competitive? Next week if not in fact this week I hope to announce a solution to some of that question. The question really is how can you afford the semiconductor investment necessary to stay on the absolute leading edge. If you compare the two products, Alpha today runs multiple operating systems, has been shipping for two years, and it has twice the performance at the same cost. So that's kind of the short form of the comparison. All we need now are some larger customer wins or some other way to reduce our costs in semis. [I'm] in Finance. Part of my work is employee communications in Finance, and we had a bunch of questions prepared for Bill Steul and Vin Mullarkey in an employee communications session last week. I'll share a couple of those with you having to do with marketing and customer satisfaction. Where is our advertising strategy? Customer satisfaction appears to be declining. Where is our marketing -- we need some public image-building for both customers and employees. Why not put Bob Palmer on TV? Well, right now I am on TV, I think. But fundamentally around some of those questions, the Bob Palmer on TV thing is very unlikely to happen because I'm not that much of an egoist. You know, I don't want to be up in front. The reality is the CEO can't do anything by himself. Just zero. All you can actually do is try to create an environment where everybody else can do FOR DIGITAL INTERNAL USE ONLY Worldwide News LIVE WIRE something. And so I'm always a little cautious about pictures on the front of magazines or TV or stuff like that for me personally. It doesn't fit my personality. On the other issue, though, as far as outselling is concerned, I just got back from an eight or nine-day trip in Europe. Three or four customer visits a day, working on into the evening with customers. I do enjoy that. I mean, it's very tiring but you do get an idea of what customers want, where you're doing well, where you're not doing so well, and you occasionally help spur a sale along while you're at it. So we need to do some of that. Around the advertising question, we ran into a problem there, actually, because we didn't very cleverly set that up. We said, here is an advertising budget, some total number, and we left it to the advertising department to figure out how to allocate it. That's obviously not a good strategy. We recognized that last, oh, October, November, and we changed that. It was unfair to Charlie Holleran running all the media, it was unfair to our advertising people, and it was not effective anyway. The issue was I think our brand campaign, which is a very different issue. The brand campaign is working quite well. We're getting the Digital brand out there and we're identifying some of the things we can do. But we want the advertising to be in the product business units. I've only time, they tell me, for one more question. [Ed Mansfield] I got it. (Laughter) Hi Bob, I'm with the Corporate EEO group. Historically, we've been known for our strength in our diversity, and during the last three years of transitions there's a widespread perception that we have depleted greatly our representation of people of color. I understand all the other things that you've said, but to those of us who view that as a critical asset to the company and the company's future, what is senior management doing about that or intend to do about it? That's a very good question. I'm glad you asked it, because I'm quite dedicated, as was my predecessor and the whole history of Digital, to maintaining an environment that values all employees, people of color, and all other labels that you can talk about. Quite concerned about it, and it's, as you notice, one of our value statements. We've got seven value statements -- talking about respect for the individual, and in a sub-bullet in that explanation of that, we talk about valuing the diversity of our employees on a worldwide basis. We have discussion at the Senior Leadership Team that I personally lead that they are supposed to lead with their direct reports. We're moving that throughout all of Digital to make sure that all employees feel that they have opportunity that has nothing to do with these various labels that society puts on us but has to do with your ability to contribute, which is as it should be. That's one of the things where some people wonder, why do I take important time from talking about operations and technology and strategy to talk about that issue? And I do that because I think it's FOR DIGITAL INTERNAL USE ONLY Worldwide News LIVE WIRE critically important, and I think it's my responsibility to maintain Digital's value system intact as we go forward making these various trade-offs that we have to make in running the business. [I'm] quite dedicated to it. As you probably know, I hold quarterly forums with people of color and with senior women. There's only me and the people that are selected to be participants in that panel, so I get direct feedback from representation of the various communities of diversity as to how do they perceive what we're doing or not doing. And you're right, we're not doing as well as we'd like to be doing. In the environment that we're in, downsizing as we have been and as we'll continue to have to be, it would be easy to find an excuse not to work on this problem. We are not going to take the available opportunity. We're going to continue to focus on it, we're going to continue to ensure that we have an environment where everybody feels valued in whatever his or her ability to contribute is. I'm holding each of my direct reports, to give you some concrete example, for a sheet of goals as to how I measure them, how I determine their performance, their salaries, their bonuses. And one of the various criteria has to do with what plan do they have, each one of them, for their organizations around the subject of diversity? And you know that we have a focus on that carried on in Dick Farrahar's group under the direction of Ron Glover. So that's how we're doing it. We don't want to lose sight of that and we're very careful about that. They tell me that's all the time I've got for questions. I enjoyed talking with you. I want to thank you for coming. I want to encourage you to think positively, work together in teamwork. Remember, it's our customers that count. Think about it. One more time, I cannot save your job. Your manager cannot save your job. Only our customers can save our jobs if we delight them with our products and services so this business continues to grow. We've got to stay customer-focused. We've got to work together as a team to be successful. Thank you very much. (Applause) | |||||
2891.28 | In Due Course | TRACTR::SAPP | Random Kindness/Senseless Acts Beauty | Thu Feb 10 1994 09:36 | 15 |
RE:.8 > Why not invite more field people to the DVN ? > Lots of questions in this particular DVN was from HQ folks. Which is > fine but maybe not next time again. I participated in one of the first Employee DVNs and about half of that audience were from the Field. The Q2 one was from Europe and had Field and HQ people in it. Bob Palmer is always looking for other locations to hold these. I'd recommend one from Canada as this is a large territory. Hope this helps! Edwin | |||||
2891.29 | NACAD::SHERMAN | Steve NETCAD::Sherman DTN 226-6992, LKG2-A/R05 pole AA2 | Thu Feb 10 1994 10:55 | 15 | |
I expect that "top priority" is similar to "most favored nation." At first glance, you would think it means just what it says. But, upon closer inspection things change. China has "most favored nation" status (currently). It doesn't mean that we'd rather trade with China than with anyone else because there are (as I recall) literally hundreds of nations that have been granted "most favored nation" status. Similarly, I expect that there are a fair number of "top priorities." Drawing another parallel, just as some people can be "more equal" than others, I expect some "top priorities" are more "more top" than others. Thus, declaring that something is "top priority" may or may not mean anything. Steve | |||||
2891.30 | please do more than read: write! | BOOKS::HAMILTON | All models are false; some are useful - Dr. G. Box | Fri Feb 11 1994 09:50 | 34 |
One of the things that's always fascinated me about this company are the notes files. Yes, I know that the internet is rapidly superseding some of them, but in terms of the "general" Digital interest files (like this one and Marketing, for example), I think we tend to underestimate their effect on our work lives. There are times when I am devastated by the discussions here; other times I'm uplifted, still other times disgusted. The fact that Palmer and Gullotti have publicly acknowledged the conferences' importance to morale is a welcome validation, for me at least, of what I had been thinking for quite some time -- that electronic fora are enablers for the rapid development of both positive and negative synergies. I think that fora like the conferences will serve as a model of what to expect as Internet connnectivity grows. That is, the rapidly increasing ability of each of us to surface ideas, outside the chain of command, can have both intensely positive and negative effects. It's a minefield out here -- not a place for the faint of heart. My challenge to the SLT, or staff, is to *use* the conferences actively, not just be passive readers. We've got millions and millions invested in this infrastructure. Please get involved in the give and take; test the logic of your ideas and directions against the crucible of employee opinion. I applaud Messrs. Palmer and Gullotti for their curiosity and open mindedness -- at least they aren't taking the stance that some of my immediate managers over the years have taken -- that the notes files are simply employee complaint sessions. David Stone was a good example of an executive that was willing to *participate* in the technical and strategic debates; he did not shirk the responsibility of absorbing the slings and arrows found in conferences. I am heartened that other senior executives might also be willing to take the plunge. Glenn | |||||
2891.31 | SAHQ::LUBER | I have a Bobby Cox dart board | Fri Feb 11 1994 10:52 | 9 | |
I couldn't agree more. Just once, I'd like to see a reply from Bob Palmer in this conference. In fact, it wouldn't take more than ten minutes of his time each day to review NEXT UNSEEN and enter a few replies. That in itself would be one hell of morale booster -- knowing that the CEO uses the same vehicle that employees use to communicate. Maybe he's afraid that people would be inhibited in their responses if he started to actively participate. Or maybe he is participating under a pseudonym. | |||||
2891.32 | participation | HIBOB::KRANTZ | Next window please. | Fri Feb 11 1994 10:59 | 10 |
In order for the SLT to affect morale via this (and other) conferences, they would have to change their communication style. They would have to stop the spin control and start communicating, they would need to be willing to debate issues rather than presenting prepared statements with lots of words and little content. If they could do that, I'd feel a lot better about the company I work for, because we would have leadership, not just management. Joe | |||||
2891.33 | .8% of company writes | DBSALF::QUINN | Crying? There's no crying in baseball! | Fri Feb 11 1994 11:00 | 19 |
<<< Note 2891.30 by BOOKS::HAMILTON "All models are false; some are useful - Dr. G. Box" >>> -< please do more than read: write! >- Out of curiosity a couple of days ago, I created a directory file of all the notes and replys for the past year. Sorting this on node::name I came up with a total of about 744 respsondents. This included of course people who were TFSO's or left the company last year. Bob Palmer said in the last DVN there were about 93,000 employees. So, the number of people who respond in here is : 745/93000 = .0080107 so .8% of DEC population write in here, I can't believe the number of read only would even move the number up to 1%. My point is how important really is this notes file. If just one senior level manager reads this file, top management is as well represented here as any group. - John | |||||
2891.34 | .32 and .33 | BOOKS::HAMILTON | All models are false; some are useful - Dr. G. Box | Fri Feb 11 1994 11:11 | 20 |
re: .32. Precisely. That change in communication style is precisely what we need on the internet as well. Read for awhile, acclimate to the community, learn the netiquette. Then add ideas to the fray. Anyone who has been following the "internet advertising" discussions will realize that managers and executives of companies will need to jump in respond to comments about their products/strategies. And to do it intelligently, you need to internalize the dominant communication style and use it. What better place to get used to it than notes conferences? re: .33 Wow. Is that true? I'm surprised, and I don't quite know how to respond to that datum. Glenn | |||||
2891.35 | De-Lurk, PLEASE! | THEBAY::CHABANED | Spasticus Dyslexicus | Fri Feb 11 1994 11:18 | 14 |
I wonder how many of us feel the SLT is "lurking" in the notesfiles and whether the more vocal participants fear retribution for our frank expressions of opinion? Bob Palmer's style on DVNs has become more relaxed lately. I commented on how stiff he looked in the beginning. Whether this is due to experience of my comments here, I don't have a clue. I know a *LOT* of fear would go away if someone from the SLT noted here and let their guard down a bit. Seeing a note full of "smileys" from BP would make him seem less like the "talking head" we saw in his early DVNs. -Ed | |||||
2891.36 | Ah ha!!! | STAR::DIPIRRO | Fri Feb 11 1994 11:24 | 8 | |
Re: .31 > Maybe he's afraid that people would be inhibited in their responses if > he started to actively participate. Or maybe he is participating under > a pseudonym. That's it! It's Nasser! I knew it! All that stuff about turkeys was just a smoke screen! | |||||
2891.37 | more datum | CVG::THOMPSON | Who will rid me of this meddlesome priest? | Fri Feb 11 1994 11:25 | 6 |
Read/write ratios for conferences I've checked run from 5 to 10 times as many readers as writers. I suspect that this conference runs to a lot of readers to writers. Perhaps more then 10 to 1 but I don't have hard data. Alfred | |||||
2891.38 | don't you think they already know this? | SMURF::WALTERS | Fri Feb 11 1994 12:14 | 8 | |
>> Wow. Is that true? I'm surprised, and I don't quite know >> how to respond to that datum. Maybe that's why the SLT chose to use the more objective employee survey discussed in 2831? Colin | |||||
2891.39 | my views and feeling and related issues | STAR::ABBASI | always give a check,it might be mate | Fri Feb 11 1994 12:34 | 27 |
<<< Note 2891.33 by DBSALF::QUINN "Crying? There's no crying in baseball!" >>> >I came up with a total of about 744 respsondents. This included of course i'd like to share with you my views on this subject . i think is that many more DECeeees are read only and not write only like the 744 DECeees mentioned in the earlier note. i know many DECeees who just read but dont write, writing is not as easy for many and it dont come as natural as the flow of wind in spring summer day as it does come to the 744 of us DECeees who write so fluently in here and in dedication about all sort of topics of importance to the DEC way of life. so, my bottom point is, even though only 744 DECeees write in here, many more do read, so please, KEEP ON WRITING !!, we need it !! please dont stop !! i'd also like to take this opportunity in behave of myself and everyone else to thank those who write and to ask those read only noters not to be afraid and to jump in and hop'a'board. thank you, \nasser | |||||
2891.40 | 4 * writers = 3% | DBSALF::QUINN | Crying? There's no crying in baseball! | Fri Feb 11 1994 12:50 | 9 |
<<< Note 2891.39 by STAR::ABBASI "always give a check,it might be mate" >>> -< my views and feeling and related issues >- Yes, I agree don't stop writing. But read only, even if 4 times users are read only, that gives 2976, or 3% of employees use the conference. Not really a good medium to effect change. - John | |||||
2891.41 | no guerilla noting from the top, please! | HDLITE::SCHNEIDER | Perception is deception | Fri Feb 11 1994 12:59 | 22 |
I'm a "lurker" (hrrmph!) myself, but I'm compelled to respond to the notion that BP could enter "a few" notes in 10 minutes. (After also doing some reading, yet!) If he did, the quality of his entries (how well the ideas are thought out and articulated) would surely be no better than that of the average BB entry. I think it's a profound understatement to say that the average light-to-heat ratio is poor. But worse, because of BP's position, people would latch onto his toss-off notes like they were stone tablets, absorb them with reading comprehension that's also astonishingly poor on average, and then ACT on what they perceive the edicts to be. I'll admit that the direction of the corporate mind is pretty random already, but it's a pretty long shot that this would be an improvement. I haven't seen that much of David Stone's notes output, but I'm pretty sure the examples I have seen weren't 10-minute jobs. Chuck (who doesn't write much because it takes me more than 10 minutes even for a simple flame like this) | |||||
2891.42 | need to look at the indirect effect of this note file | STAR::ABBASI | always give a check,it might be mate | Fri Feb 11 1994 13:10 | 29 |
.40 \John, >But read only, even if 4 times users are read >only, that gives 2976, or 3% of employees use the conference. Not really a >good medium to effect change. but \John, you are missing a subtle underlining point here, is that many of read only will communicate via verbal methods and in otherwise what they read in locations as such the cafeteria and walking in the halls and over the coffee stations to other DECeees who are not read only or write only what they read in this note file . so, even though only 2976 DECeees are read only, if you consider the resulting widespread effect of this, it is much much more. i also heard that some DECeees tell their spouses when they get home something about what they read in here, and the spouses will tell the neighbors and the neighbors might tell their relatives and their relative might tell their neighbors and so on, this way the word will spread out and beyond. so, again, to the writers, please dont let these numbers discourage any one you from stopping to write and to tell us what is going on in DEC ! thank you \nasser | |||||
2891.43 | NACAD::SHERMAN | Steve NETCAD::Sherman DTN 226-6992, LKG2-A/R05 pole AA2 | Fri Feb 11 1994 13:54 | 10 | |
I would be concerned about Lurker-Becket Syndrome. Herewith, an Empowered Individual could make an off-hand comment in notes, perhaps indicating that (s)he wished this or that about A Certain Noter's response. Perhaps something like, "Who will rid me of this meddlesome noter?" This, read by an Empowered and Well-Meaning Lurker could lead to a Most Unfortunate Circumstance for A Certain Noter. Just my opinion, of course. ;^) Steve | |||||
2891.44 | New Levels of Information Technology | DYOSW8::BROWNE | Fri Feb 11 1994 14:11 | 20 | |
RE: .30 Absolutely Right!!! What you say has considerable merit. Taking full advantage of the information infrastructure will soon be a hallmark of the successful business organization, and hence the successful business executive! We at Digital have the opportunity to take the initiative and lead the movement, or we can hunker down and attempt to recoup our position by staying with the business practices and modes of operation of the "nearly-expired" 20th century. For those who choose the later, a word of warning: "The problems that we face today cannot be solved at the level of thinking that we used when we created them!" - A quotation from Albert Einstein This quote is often referred to by Stephen Covey, the author of the books, The Seven Habits of Highly Successful People and Principled-Centered Leadership. ( I hope that in remembering the quotation I have not butchered it badly!) | |||||
2891.45 | He can't do it alone | HANNAH::SICHEL | All things are connected. | Fri Feb 11 1994 15:55 | 12 |
I can't help feeling some of the responses in here are very hard on Bob Palmer and the SLT. I thought it was a good insightful talk about the state of Digital. As far as I can tell, Bob Palmer is doing and saying a lot of the right things. Those who have ears will hear. He's only one person. He can't do it alone. - Peter | |||||
2891.46 | The numbers | ICS::DONNELLAN | Fri Feb 11 1994 17:09 | 13 | |
re: the magical numbers - 744 or 2976 Where else can you have a "conversation" about matters of importance and involve this many people? That the notesfiles are the topic of conversation in so many different arenas in this company illustrates how seriously they are taken. These represent an opportunity for people to speak their minds and that mere fact is more reflective of the "state of the company" than perhaps any other source of information. And I think Bob Palmer, Russ Gullotti, and others now recognize the significance of what is written here. | |||||
2891.47 | Information is sent to Bob Palmer | 24108::ROBERT | Fri Feb 11 1994 20:45 | 28 | |
For everyone's information, I have been taking what I think are the best out of the marketing and digital notes files and have been sending them to Bob Palmer. I only put the text of the note, and send this to Bob. Everyone that I have sent to him, for the past year or so, he has responded very positively. Bob is listening and is acting on the information that I send to him. I recently sent him a note about a company, ( KODAK ) and how it turned around one particular division in 18 months. I was shocked at the number of people that had read the note and the names of those who had read it. A friend of mine from the past got the note and forwarded it back to me with all the headers included. To show me where it had been and who had read the note, and the people they had forwarded it to. Like other people in this notes file and others have said, Bob Palmer "CANNOT DO IT ALONE", he needs our help. If some people up the structure do not want to help, then shame on them. We need some means of letting Bob Palmer know who these people are. I do not consider this ratting, I consider this a means of survival. I do not intend on letting anyone get in my way from helping this company survive. I am going to be in Maynard next week, and I am going to try and get a few minutes with Bob if possible. I have some more information to pass on to him in person, and an idea to really jump start this corporation. I hope that he will have time to listen to what I have to say. Dave | |||||
2891.48 | TAMRC::LAURENT | Hal Laurent @ COP | Fri Feb 11 1994 20:59 | 12 | |
re: .33 > 745/93000 = .0080107 so .8% of DEC population write in here, I >can't believe the number of read only would even move the number up to 1%. I suspect the number of read-onlys is rather high in this notes conference. Of all the conferences on our network, this is probably the one that one's boss is most likely to read (or at least hear about). I personally have a very good boss, and I'm not worried about such recriminations, but I'd be willing to bet that that's not a universal feeling. -Hal | |||||
2891.49 | Any Electronic Message system is about 99% readers/1% writers | DPDMAI::WISNIEWSKI | ADEPT of the Virtual Space. | Sat Feb 12 1994 06:32 | 40 |
>Bob Palmer said in the last DVN there were about 93,000 employees. So, >the number of people who respond in here is : > 745/93000 = .0080107 so .8% of DEC population write in here, I >can't believe the number of read only would even move the number up to 1%. >My point is how important really is this notes file. If just one senior >level manager reads this file, top management is as well represented here >as any group. I run a DECUS LUG sponsored BBS in Dallas for our membership and the read/write ratio is about 99% readers/lurkers to 1%posters and that's in an open environment. The standard BBS stats for most notes/news systems is about the same. Why do people post here? That's a better question. I participate because I believe that some one may be listening and trying to decide what to do on the issues I comment about. If I'm wrong about someone listening, this notefile is only thearpy for an overworked, balding sales support consultant who's tired of seeing Digital throw away opportunities that make other companies and individuals rich. If I'm right, some one is reading this and understanding what's going on in my corner of our customer driven world... If it's only theapy it's still valuable to have this notesfile for folks. And if Management is'nt interested in my and the other 744's opinion on how we're doing.... That's their loss... Other companies without this type of electronic access would poll and repoll to get a sense of what's going on. John Wisniewski | |||||
2891.50 | PASTIS::MONAHAN | humanity is a trojan horse | Sun Feb 13 1994 04:56 | 25 | |
Other Easynet notes files have shown a ration of 10/1 between readers and writers. I could easily believe that up to 20% of DEC employees *read* this notes file. I follow several conferences in which I have never entered a single note. Why would the other 80% not be reading it? Poor telecommunications from place of work (Moscow, Morocco, ...) Job never requires use of a terminal (van drivers, factory workers,...) Never heard of the file. Too busy. Not interested in the company - it's just a job. ? Why would a reader not write? Shy of poor quality of English. Nervous of expressing an opinion against status quo. Not worth repeating an opinion expressed by someone else. Just "interested" without information or opinions to add (is this Bob?). Only manages to read occasionaly, by which time arguments are stale. ? While not all factors work this way, many of the above factors would tend to concentrate the most valuable suggestions for improvements, and the most relevant criticisms of what is currently wrong in this file. | |||||
2891.52 | lots more out there | AKOCOA::TLAV01::SAM | DECblah | Mon Feb 14 1994 02:15 | 15 |
add to .50 - why would a reader not write : Many issues in this conference are centered around US - issues in other places are very different, such users may not contribute. The network's pretty slow outside I guess - I spend 30-40 mins of spare time to catch up with latest notes every time. Not every person can afford that. The cynics (and their numbers are growing very fast) who feel that writing anything will have no effect anyway - so why bother. But believe it - lots more people read this than write. | |||||
2891.51 | I think .8% is very HIGH | NCBOOT::PEREZ | Trust, but ALWAYS verify! | Mon Feb 14 1994 09:49 | 33 |
re .32: >They would have to stop the spin control and start communicating, they >would need to be willing to debate issues rather than presenting >prepared statements with lots of words and little content. >If they could do that, I'd feel a lot better about the company I work >for, because we would have leadership, not just management. It appears that there is some confusion between "can" and "will", or in this case, "could" and "would"... I know of nothing PREVENTING the above from occurring. I am not sure of the "willingness" to MAKE it occur. re .33: >745/93000 = .0080107 so .8% of DEC population write in here, I can't >believe the number of read only would even move the number up to 1%. At least here in MPO the read/only ratio is MUCH higher than 10:1, at least in the software unit. Close to everyone reads this conference, but other than Mr. Haag (and of course the new departed Greg Scott), generally noone is willing to stick their head out of the foxhole long enough to risk writing... But more importantly - so what? There are supposedly valid polls that come out weekly which presume to predict the attitude of the entire country from a sample of 1000 people. This is a WHOLE lot smaller percentage than .8. I also believe the cross-section of population in here is at least as representative as that reflected in the polls. I believe the VAST majority of people in this company can identify with many of the topics here, and would echo the sentiments and statements made in this notesfile. | |||||
2891.53 | 11 read / 0 write | SWAM1::BASURA_BR | Politicians Prefer Unarmed Peasants | Mon Feb 14 1994 13:11 | 5 |
re: .33 .37 .etc I asked 11 people and NONE of them ever post in this conference even though they are regular readers (including me). | |||||
2891.54 | Inconsistency... :-) | BSS::CODE3::BANKS | Not in SYNC -> SUNK | Mon Feb 14 1994 13:28 | 8 |
Re:<<< Note 2891.53 by SWAM1::BASURA_BR "Politicians Prefer Unarmed Peasants" >>> > I asked 11 people and NONE of them ever post in this conference even > though they are regular readers (including me). Then how did your note get in if you never post in this conference? :-) - David | |||||
2891.55 | i agree with these staticstics | STAR::ABBASI | one of the 744 | Mon Feb 14 1994 13:28 | 18 |
ref: statistics of read/only vs. write DECeees. this only goes to show my point that there are many more who read than write in here. i hope this will convince every one not to give up on expressing there thought and hopes for DEC in here, and to let us know the true and nothing but the true so help you so. speaking of talk and reading and such , i think this note file needs more RUMORS!! this note file has been kind'a lacking in rumors lately, why are there no more rumors in here? last year there was much more rumors talk in here compared to this year i think and it was much more interesting to listen to it. thank you, \nasser | |||||
2891.56 | ROWLET::AINSLEY | Less than 150 kts. is TOO slow! | Mon Feb 14 1994 13:43 | 7 | |
Remember, there is a copy of this conference on MORTAL that is exclusively read-only. There are also many people who use various forms of batch-notes-extractors. Let's also not forget all the folks who mail stuff from this and other conferences to various internal distribution lists. Bob | |||||
2891.57 | :-) | THETOY::LANE | C code. C code run. Run code, run. | Mon Feb 14 1994 14:05 | 2 |
>....from this and other conferences to various internal distribution lists. and newspapers. | |||||
2891.58 | The downside... | ROWLET::AINSLEY | Less than 150 kts. is TOO slow! | Mon Feb 14 1994 14:24 | 9 |
re: .57 >and newspapers. Yeah. This conference probably has the largest readership of the rest of the company's conferences combined:-( Bob | |||||
2891.59 | look much but don't touch | KERNEL::WEBSTERC | Tue Feb 15 1994 19:04 | 13 | |
re .53 yep, I read-only this one, I'd be *much* too nervous to enter a note. rats, blew it. Colin | |||||
2891.60 | Will the real non-BP please stand up... | 54291::VUURBOOM_R | Roelof Vuurboom @ APD, DTN 829 4066 | Thu Feb 17 1994 13:41 | 9 |
I'm intrigued by a suggestion somebody made a while back that BP may be participating under a pseudonym (and somebody opted for Nasser! Suppose - just suppose - that BP had a massive multiple personality syndrome then all 744 of you out there may be BP in disguise...and then there's me :-) What a mind blower... | |||||
2891.61 | whoops | GVA05::SELBY | Thu Feb 17 1994 13:49 | 6 | |
re .60 In normal circumstances one might say "keep taking the pills" but in this case perhaps you'd better stop the medication now. Mark ;-) | |||||
2891.62 | please stop rumors | BONNET::WLODEK | Network pathologist. | Thu Feb 17 1994 17:19 | 4 |
Wrong, I don't write in this conference. | |||||
2891.63 | DCU ? | EVOAI2::FARIS | Life is a lethal VD | Fri Feb 18 1994 08:59 | 7 |
> > to .10 What is DCU and the DCU conference ? never heard about it in Paris (France...) | |||||
2891.64 | CVG::THOMPSON | An other snowy day in paradise | Fri Feb 18 1994 09:04 | 9 | |
> What is DCU and the DCU conference ? DCU is the Digital Employees Federal Credit Union. It's sort of like a cooperative bank in the US. Unless Bob Palmer is a member of the DCU I don't know why he'd want to track the DCU conference. But as acting moderator I'd welcome him anyway. Alfred |