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2886.1 | My .02 | GLDOA::DBOSAK | The Street Peddler | Mon Feb 07 1994 10:09 | 34 |
| IN an era of "If we build it -- they will buy it" mentality, it is
not important to go after industry pundits --
My .02 is that in the era that spawned the above Digital mentality, we
alienated many people -- Including customers -- by our "uppity"
demeanor.
I think we are getting a payback for our sins of the past.
It will take more than the SLT doing a Kabookie dance to the pundits
et-al.
I heard some interesting stuff from a Digital sales person who
interviewed for a position with another company:
The other company wasn't interested in IBM or Digital S/Rs because:
o They weren't aggressive
o They didn't understand month to month performance goals
o They weren't commission oriented
It seems to me that with the SLT doing the Kabookie and the sales force
changing the above perception, we can get attention.
From my perspective, I believe we have great products -- we have some
holes -- we need to be agressive on every deal.
It's going to have to be a team approach because pundits do the
"Yack-Yack, Oink-Oink" -- Customers do the buying. We need AGGRESSIVE
coverage on both ends.
My .02
Dennis
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2886.2 | Only a guess... | MPGS::STANLEY | I'd rather be fishing | Mon Feb 07 1994 10:21 | 19 |
| I can't answer your question, but can offer one possibility.
Digital has TFSO'd a lot of people for a lot of reasons. With
these kind of situations, mistakes are being made with many
individuals. Many of these people are, understandably, bitter
towards Digital. Many of these people now work for other
companies in many influential positions. These peole can and
probably are affecting the negativism you're experiencing.
The morale inside the company is also affecting how we are
perceived by our customers. Many people who fear they are next
are not interested in doing a good job for a company who may be
about to cut them loose. So phone calls go unanswered, service
committments are delayed, technical resources cannot answer
questions, etc, etc. I know of some peole who have just tossed
their badge and walked out the door due to the current climate.
I don't know how to solve this, but going into a downsizing this
kind of negativism is a well known risk within management circles.
How do you fix it and when it will end, I can't say. I think
what is really aggravating in Digital's case is that after four
years or more we're still at it (re-engineering Digital).
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2886.3 | | ENABLE::glantz | Mike @TAY 227-4299 TP Eng Littleton | Mon Feb 07 1994 10:34 | 15 |
| I think our sales are dropping because:
- We murdered the VAX/VMS cash cow
- We set up an "incentive" package for the sales force which sent a
percentage of the top performers to the competition (the 80/20 rule applies)
- Our hopes for the future rest on software plaforms which aren't yet
mainstream: NT and OSF/1 (could DOS or OS/2 be ported to run on AXP?)
- We still haven't eliminated waste caused by internal bickering (just
take a look at the DECnet debate)
If the analysts present a challenge, we'll be that much stronger when
we've surmounted it. It's a factor, but not a big one. Our biggest enemy is us.
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2886.4 | the bottom line | STAR::ABBASI | always give a check,it might be mate | Mon Feb 07 1994 11:21 | 11 |
| we need to improve our advertisements slogans and techniques.
the other companies Intel, Apple, IBM etc.. have much better ads.
that is why we look like outsiders to every one, while we have some
of the best products in the market.
but as they say, what you don't see, you would not know.
we need to make better commercials !
\nasser
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2886.5 | | HAAG::HAAG | Rode hard. Put up wet. | Mon Feb 07 1994 12:00 | 6 |
| Note 2886.3 by ENABLE::glantz
>> Our biggest enemy is us.
amen. and anyone who doesn't believe this needs to pull their head out
of the sand.
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2886.6 | | BSS::GROVER | The CIRCUIT_MAN | Mon Feb 07 1994 12:00 | 13 |
| re: "improve our advertisements"
With this in mind... WHY isn't Digital involved in some way in the
Olympic games?
Why do we see IBM and other competitors, but we don't see Digital.!
Let me guess... our customers don't watch the Olympic games... Ya,
right!
Another opportunity squandered....!
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2886.7 | shotgun vs. rifle? | PIKOFF::DERISE | I'm goin' to Disney Land! | Mon Feb 07 1994 12:05 | 28 |
| And, in my humble opinion, the current organization in the field does
not help the matter. You've got Digital Consulting, MCS, and CBU sales
often not even cooperating with each other, or not cooperating well.
What kind of impression is this supposed to make with potential
customers? As for selling Digital product, and I know this is an
extremely sensitive subject, but you've got groups within MCS and
Digital Consulting that receive credit for selling our competitors'
products! It's a lot easier to take an order for Synoptics or Cisco or
Novell than it is to try and actually sell the Digital product.
Let's get real! I saw the enemy and it is definitely us. I'm not
saying we shouldn't sell third party products. What I am saying is
that we should only sell a third party product when it COMPLIMENTS our
own products OR if we don't have a comparable product to propose.
How much of our total selling effort is directed at selling Digital
product? How much is directed at selling third parties?
I certainly don't propose to offer a solution in this reply. I am
suggesting this situation needs to be examined and changed so that:
a) ALL organizations are motivated to work together as a team, with the
account being the core of everyone's concerted effort.
b) Our management creates an environment where people are actually
motivated and rewarded for selling Digital product, with clearly
defined, but flexible, guidelines for when it is okay to sell
third party product.
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2886.8 | | CSC32::PITT | | Mon Feb 07 1994 11:38 | 23 |
| It has to be expected that when you make REALLY STUPID decisions time
after time, and you continue to drop-kick LOUSY software products out
the door to the point where the customer calls in for their weekly
patch, your reputation for quality and dependability goes out the
window....
I would never go back to a vendor if I got such a raw deal the first
time around. You can't keep that kind of stuff secret.
The way to build a good reputation is to build good products and ONLY
SHIP GOOD DEPENDABLE WELL TESTED PRODUCTS.
We apparently don't have the time or the money to do that.
That of course leaves under-trained support people to pick up the mess
and do the damage control. Customers stop believing the excuses after
their 8th patch on the same product.......
The old thing about one 'aw shit' wipes out a whole stack of 'attaboys'
is true. It only takes one REALLY HORRIBLE product to cause enough
damage and make our reputation questionable, and to wipe out a whole
warehouse full of good, decent, competitive products.
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2886.9 | More about Olympics... | IDEFIX::SIREN | | Mon Feb 07 1994 11:54 | 11 |
| Re .6
Just saw IBM Norway country manager to tell in an interview in a French TV's
sports program, how they have delivered 3000 PCs with client/server
applications for the games in Lillehammer. What followed was some screens of
different new types of applications, like touch screen info about competitors
(similar to one application we sell in health care space) and different
track maps etc. Minutes of free advertisement. I don't believe, that IBM
makes any profit from systems, though.
--Ritva
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2886.10 | What about the 96 Olympics? | ABACUS::NESTOR | | Mon Feb 07 1994 12:14 | 8 |
| I saw the IBM ad during the Nancy Kerrigan show the other nite which
mentioned that the US Olympic committee "chose" IBM for the 94 games -
why doesn't Digital lobby the appropriate committee to be "chosen" if
possible for the 96 Atlanta games - they are a ways off but I guess
you have to start somewhere.
Barry
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2886.11 | how much did IBM pay? | XLIB::SCHAFER | Mark Schafer, Development Assistance | Mon Feb 07 1994 13:38 | 3 |
| it's not a "lobbying" effort. You pay to be chosen.
Mark
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2886.12 | IBM paid big - over $40 Million | ASABET::KNIPSTEIN | | Mon Feb 07 1994 14:46 | 19 |
| IBM already has the Atlanta games in '96. I have in my files a clip
from the Atlanta Journal dated September 18, 1992 which has a headline
- "IBM deal valued at over $40 million, Company to provide computers,
software and more for Games."
The story goes on to say that IBM announced an "unprecedented deal
valued at far in excess of the $40 million other Olympic sponsorships
have averaged." IBM would also be assigning several hundred employees
in Atlanta to the Olympic games. According to this report, IBM has
been involved with almost all of the Winter and Summer Games since
1960. IBM is also a sponsor of the International Olympic Committee, having
completely computerized the IOC's headquarters in Switzerland.
For what it's worth, we also missed what may have been an even bigger
opportunity, again in our own back yard - the 1994 World Cup. SUN is
the exclusive computer supplier to the 1994 World Cup. (I have this
really great poster trumpeting the fact in my office)
Steve
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2886.13 | Stop unfair Digital bashing!! | PIKOFF::SMITH | All that is gold does not glitter | Mon Feb 07 1994 15:19 | 16 |
| We must have pissed off a lot of people. I still say we need
positive coverage in the trade press. We work for this
company full time, and many of us don't understand everything
we can do for a customer.
How can we expect the average customer to sift through all the
information we spew out, and easily determine what is important?
All of my customers, however, take time to absorb the trade
press and advertising messages.
I'd like to level the playing field a bit. None of our mistakes
was any worse than any other major competitor. They were all
forgiven, we should be also.
Dan
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2886.14 | | OURGNG::RIGGEN | Sales gets commisions we get "JACK" | Mon Feb 07 1994 15:32 | 16 |
| In my community the first queestion out of a persons mouth after they learn
I work for Digital is concern about the state of my employement, then usually
a question about the Alpha chip. Until we get some consistent positive press
we will not break out of the current state of day to day business.
A good example was our local paper had a very good article about Multi-vendor
Customer Service and how this is unique within the computer industry. Digital
looses $78 million followed that bright article.
We need to start learning that every job in this company has to change every
6-12 months in order to keep up with the industries changing pace if we don't
change or are still trying to hide from the TFSO "turk" then what is left
is what Digital deserves.
So if we are in such a leadership position with all of these products where are
the accolades from our users and new customers ?
Jeff
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2886.15 | | NASZKO::MACDONALD | | Mon Feb 07 1994 15:34 | 12 |
|
Re: .13
> None of our mistakes was any worse than any other major competitor.
> They were all forgiven, we should be also.
Dan, Not to be contentious but says who? Maybe the customers have
a different perspective. We spent lots of time not listening. Who
knows what we might have heard?
Steve
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2886.16 | my observation... | EVMS::GODDARD | | Mon Feb 07 1994 16:02 | 6 |
| DEC in, human terms, would be the quintessential techno-nerd. You know...white
shirt, skinny tie, black high water pants, pocket protector, black horn rim
glasses, white socks, slicked back hair. So, while we maybe very technically
correct we have all of the appeal of luke warm day old oatmeal. Like Dan
Quayle we make an easy target for abuse...which is our fault. On the other
hand our competitors dont have this 'image' problem to contend with.
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2886.17 | Where my beliefs come from | STAOFF::SMITH | All that is gold does not glitter | Mon Feb 07 1994 16:21 | 27 |
| I'm young, and new to Digital. That gives me a perspective
outside the ingrained company culture.
All I did my first five years in the industry were multi-vendor
projects with AT&T and other phone companies.
In those five years, SUN, HP, IBM, all have had their share
of bad decisions and other problems. They simply didn't
let their dirty laundry to be aired in public. If it
was, they somehow kept it to the minimum.
The analogy I use with customers is this: compare the computer
business to the used car business. Digital re-builds the car
from the ground up, giving the customer a sound piece of
machinery for their money. They then put it out on the lot
without cleaning it inside and out. The cleaning is easy, so
let the customer do it themselves. We did the hard stuff already.
If their friends look at the car, they say "why in the world
would you buy that?" Next door is the SUN, HP, IBM shop. They
have no talented mechanics, so they just polish up what they've
got and sell it with enthusiasm- "You'll be driving the coolest
looking car on the block!" This is known as selling the sizzle,
not the steak.
We're sitting on some filet mignon, let's add some sizzle to it!
Dan
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2886.18 | | GRANMA::MWANNEMACHER | Lisa-Queen of my doublewide | Mon Feb 07 1994 16:21 | 10 |
|
Dan Smith,
What you say has merit. The thing that we must show is that we have
learned from our mistakes and are (not just say we are) improving and
not making the same mistakes.
Mike
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2886.19 | how the competion are doing advertisment | STAR::ABBASI | always give a check,it might be mate | Mon Feb 07 1994 16:23 | 41 |
| on advertisement.
Intel was smart enough to sponsor the world chess championship
cycle, for a mere 2-3 million bucks, they'll have their name
fixed over the chess board and every where the games are
played, for every one to see all over the world, people will
see the name INTEL every time they look at these games, there
will be TV coverage of these games all over the world (except
in the US where chess is not popular), and people will see their
name.
this is a cut from the inter-net about this, showing the different
places these games will be played in.
why can't we DEC do something smart like this? now every one
in chess in the world will hear and SEE the Intel name, and this can't
be bad.
>PCA Further Information. [UK Teletext.]
>-----------------------
>
>Bob Rice announced at a London news conference some more details
>about the PCA series of events.
>
>He said that Intel's sponsorship makes possible "a vision of what chess
>can be and will be over the next two decades."
>
[...]
>The PCA are hoping to be able to announce International TV coverage
>for all events. [ This is going to be a major achievement if they
>manange it.]
>Rapidplay 1 April 18th-24th Moscow
>Express May 23rd-22nd [sic] Munich
>Candidates 1/4 June 6th-18th New York
>Rapidplay 2 June 20th-26th New York
>Rapidplay 3 Aug 30th - Sept 5th London
>Candidates 1/2 Sept 28th - Oct 10th Barcelona
>Rapidplay 4 Nov 7th-13th Paris
>Candidates Final Feb 1995 London
>
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2886.20 | | GRANMA::MWANNEMACHER | Lisa-Queen of my doublewide | Mon Feb 07 1994 16:26 | 8 |
|
We should hire Michael Jordan for our spokesperson. OUr add campaign
could acknowledge what has happened in the past few years and then use
a new slogan of: "It's a whole new ballgame" complete with Michael in
baseball uniform.
Mike
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2886.21 | The easiest way to beat us is to not let us in the door | STAOFF::SMITH | All that is gold does not glitter | Mon Feb 07 1994 16:26 | 12 |
| A couple of thoughts from Dale Carnegie, the master of
public relations.
1) The bashing is good news in a way: as Dale says, nobody
wastes the time to kick a dead dog. The way we're getting
kicked, we must be as threatening as a Pit Bull!!!
2) Let's act as if things have changed. Even if they will
need more time, let's start acting as if we're there now.
This is IBM's secret, IMO.
Dan
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2886.22 | D-FENS? | BOOKS::HAMILTON | All models are false; some are useful - Dr. G. Box | Mon Feb 07 1994 16:44 | 9 |
|
re: .16
Your anthropomorphic description puts me in mind of D-FENS (the
techno-dweeb played by Michael Douglas in the Movie "Falling
Down"). If I remember correctly, he kicked some butt on the
way out.
Glenn
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2886.23 | | AIMHI::FLATHERS | | Mon Feb 07 1994 16:55 | 17 |
|
Good comparsion....
If I were in the market to buy a car for example, and I decided
that I liked a Nissan, but noticed that many dealerships were closing,
and kept hearing news about Nissan layoffs. I would be worried about
spare parts + service, and would decide on another automaker.
THe SAME applies to DIGITAL !!! Plant closings, layoffs !!!
EVERY person in the past 3 years that asked me the question; "So,
where do you work?" ALWAYS had the follow-up question....
"Oh my, is your job safe?"
Jack
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2886.24 | Be My Guest ????? | ELMAGO::JMORALES | | Mon Feb 07 1994 16:58 | 24 |
| I'm 100% in agreement that the WORST enemy of Digital (new or old) is
DIGITAL. For whatever reason we decided to be like China (on our
own, distant from everything and everyone). We had the luxury
of doing that in a world were ONLY one computer company had mini-
computers linked to each other......no more.
However, we (the new DIGITAL) keep doing business in the old fashion
way - THE DIGITAL WAY.
A couple of questions (You be the judge)
1) Why don't we sell PC's in Sears, Computer Corner,Price Club, Sam's
Club, PC Magazine, etc. etc. ???????
2) Why until recently we did not advertise ????????
3) Why don't we participate/sponsor more 'humane like' things such as
basketball, baseball, the olimpics and just only the Boston Pops
and Infinite Voyage which not everyone (mass market) watches ????
4) Why do still people when you told them you work for DIGITAL keep
on asking - 'Do you make wristwatches ?' or even worst 'Who ?'
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2886.25 | | GLDOA::KATZ | Follow your conscience | Mon Feb 07 1994 20:55 | 56 |
| So many problems so little time...
1. Its soooo easy to kick a man when he is down and that's what
is happening to us.
2. Alpha technology i.e. 64 bit computing has not caught on it
because we are the only ones that have it and do not know
how to market it.
3. Digital's employees have to have one foot out the door ready
to scoot to another company because of the constant TFSO's.
4. Managers at the local levels are paralyzed with fear therefore
the make no decisions not approved by their management. I see good
people stymied by a system that rewards complacency.
5. What is our business direction? It was CBU's now its product
again. Positive change is a blessing while negative change takes
us two steps back.
6. The systems we have inhouse to do business are awful. There is
a huge lack of new systems in the field for people to learn on.
Training is nice but without a box to play with your skill level
diminishes daily.
7. Organizations are redundant. Anyone think of combining the
best of NIS and MCS into one group? Duh!
8. We sell and develop products that no one wants? Anyone using
Decwrite when they could use Word? Jeez, all of our PC's come
with the Microsoft suite.
9. We want to be consultants and integrators but how can you
consult on products that you have never touched? Try setting up
a Cisco router or Cabletron hub the first time at a customer
site for $160 an hour and see how fast you get shown the door.
10. We are tired of this whole mess and it takes a toll
on all of us daily. Every time a customer hears something
bad about Digital they hit you up on it. If we took off our
bullet proof vests for just a minute we'd all be doa. Instead
we keep facing bullets hoping for artillery backup to arrive.
11. I have yet to figure out why we hire people from IBM for
a company our size. Instead whe should be going after the HP,
SUN, Cisco and Microsoft people that have transformed their products
into state of the art software and hardware. Learn from
their insight. They developed markets that did not exist. Where
are the next line of visionaries going to come from? If not
from within then we must go outside.
Thanks for letting me ramble. Its been a looong day and
tomorrow will be another one. Know what I mean?
-Jim-
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2886.26 | | DYOSW8::BROWNE | | Mon Feb 07 1994 23:05 | 10 |
| RE: .17
Clever analogy and will make for some light, interesting
discussion. However, it doesn't fit well! Using a "used car dealer"
analogy with customers is not a good idea.
Our customer's expect first class products; and when we don't
deliver the quality, both inside and out, they begin to look
elsewhere - as they should!
|
2886.27 | As anybody else tired of sinking into obscurity? | NCBOOT::PEREZ | Trust, but ALWAYS verify! | Tue Feb 08 1994 09:25 | 21 |
| I'm ALREADY sick of the IBM Olympic ads. I"ve been inundated by the
damn things since Saturday night - you can't turn on a TV in MPO
without getting their *@#%&^%$ "Gold, Silver, Bronze, Blue" commercial!
I've seen it AT LEAST 6 times in the last 2 days!
The first time we saw it I didn't to say a word - my wife looked over
at me and asked "Gee, why isn't Digital a big player at the Olympics?
Don't you guys have stuff as good as what they're showing?"
Unfortunately, I had no answer for her - except to growl and mutter
obscenities under my breath about whoever makes the decisions to
squander a small fortune on a boat race nobody saw and gives away the
biggest, world-wide, 2-week extravaganza in the world!
Now, before somebody gets their bowels in an uproar over our support of
the America's Cup - I love watching it, but Digital didn't exactly
figure PROMINENTLY in all the publicity. Maybe somebody figures yacht
owners make the decisions to buy most computers?
I would SURE have rather been seeing the same commercials for the
Olympics with OUR logo instead of that other company. Next we'll be
seeing commercials that Andersone Consulting did all the sofware!
|
2886.28 | We do participate, We don't capitalize well | OASS::HIBBERT_P | Just Say kNOw | Tue Feb 08 1994 12:15 | 18 |
| re: .24
>3) Why don't we participate/sponsor more 'humane like' things such as
> basketball, baseball, the olimpics and just only the Boston Pops
> and Infinite Voyage which not everyone (mass market) watches ????
Funny you should ask this. One of the biggest missed opportunities
was this year's superbowl. We (Digital) donated $100,000 dollars to the
NFL's YET program (Youth Education). No where in the pre-game or
half-time commentaries was this mentioned.
It was amazing to hear the narrator say "The NFL and the UNITED WAY each
donates $5,000 to this worthy program" and not hear anything about
Digital. I love this company but find moments like this disheartening.
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2886.29 | | CAPNET::LEFEBVRE | PCBU Product Management | Tue Feb 08 1994 12:44 | 12 |
| <<< Note 2886.24 by ELMAGO::JMORALES >>>
-< Be My Guest ????? >-
A couple of questions (You be the judge)
> 1) Why don't we sell PC's in Sears, Computer Corner,Price Club, Sam's
> Club, PC Magazine, etc. etc. ???????
We don't have the products yet that would be competitive in these
channels.
Mark.
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2886.30 | uh, wait a minute. | PIKOFF::DERISE | I'm goin' to Disney Land! | Tue Feb 08 1994 12:58 | 8 |
| re .24 and .29
Am I missing something? PC BY DEC adds appear consistently in PC
Magazine, and other PC trade rags.
I agree, I would like to see Digital PCs sold from CompUSA, Sears, The
Wiz, etc. However, keep in mind, as I understand it mfr'ing can't
keep up with demand as it is!
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2886.31 | 64 bit fashion | ODIXIE::KFOSTER | | Tue Feb 08 1994 13:39 | 19 |
| re .25
> 2. Alpha technology i.e. 64 bit computing has not caught on it
> because we are the only ones that have it and do not know
> how to market it.
This one is the worst. Having made the investment to get there,
we haven't explained to any potential customer why it's best.
All I've heard mentioned is some mumble around very large databases.
Seems like we could tilt the playing field away from HP here.
Let them defend a 32 bit architecture. Let them trip over 64 bit
requirements in RFPs. HP is saying that they'll move to 64 bits
in three years. Why aren't we making that delay hurt them today?
Computing has become like fashion, where perception and popularity
outweigh all else. Until we address those things we'll continue
to be kicked.
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2886.32 | Retail Market....We Are!!! | ODIXIE::SCRIVEN | | Tue Feb 08 1994 13:40 | 5 |
| Received a weekly bulletin update yesterday that stated "Digital is
getting back in to the retail market". I believe Wiz is on the list.
Toodles.....JP
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2886.33 | Intel example of sponsering to boost their name | STAR::ABBASI | always give a check,it might be mate | Tue Feb 08 1994 13:49 | 59 |
| From: [email protected] (John Litvin)
Subject: Intel's press release about PCA sponsorship
Organization: Intel Corporation, Supercomputer Systems Division, Beaverton, OR
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 1994 17:31:18 GMT
9407.3
INTEL ANNOUNCES SPONSORSHIP OF PROFESSIONAL CHESS ASSOCIATION
Intel Press Release Feb. 1, 1994
NEW YORK -- Intel Corporation and the Professional Chess
Association (PCA) announced today that Intel will become the
sole title sponsor for the PCA events.
At the same time, the PCA announced it's 1994 schedule of
events which will include a series of four Intel World Chess
Grand Prix Tournaments to be held throughout the year, and two
qualifying tournaments designed to identify a challenger for the
1995 World Chess Championship match against Garry Kasparov, the
reigning world champion.
"We are drawn to this sponsorship for two reasons," said
Dennis Carter, vice president and general manager of Intel's
Corporate Marketing Group. "This sponsorship allows us to build
brand equity with a highly targeted audience worldwide since
most chess players are computer users. Secondly, we are
delighted to sponsor a schools program that fosters and rewards
the skills of accurate, logical and creative thinking. The
foundation of our business is built on this kind of talent and
we are pleased to underwrite such a program." Carter noted that
sponsorship of the schools program fits well with Intel's
ongoing education programs.
The schools chess program will be implemented with the
American Chess Foundation (ACF), an organization that
administers a highly successful national effort to improve
academic performance of underprivileged students through chess
instruction. "We are extremely pleased by the prospect of
expanding and improving our program through this sponsorship and
association with Intel, a leader in computing technology," said
Alan Kaufman, Executive Director of the ACF.
The core of the PCA's 1994 schedule will be a "Grand Prix" of
four tournaments featuring the exciting new "speedchess" format.
The Intel World Chess Grand Prix features a new and very popular
format in which a player must make all moves in 25 minutes or
lose. These tournaments will be held in New York, London, Moscow
and Paris. Additionally this year, there will be two further
rounds of qualifiers towards the selection of a challenger for
Garry Kasparov in the 1995 World Chess Championship.
"Through its sponsorship, Intel, one of the world's most
successful and forward looking companies, will help us bring the
ancient game of chess into the twenty-first century," said Bob
Rice, Commissioner of the PCA. "In addition, their support
provides the resources sorely needed to expand the schools
program worldwide, helping thousands of children to gain the
skills and self-confidence necessary to enrich their lives."
Intel, the world's largest chip maker, is also a leading
manufacturer of personal computer networking and communications
products.
THIS IS THE FULL TEXT
--
John Litvin
[email protected]
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2886.34 | | CAPNET::LEFEBVRE | PCBU Product Management | Tue Feb 08 1994 13:54 | 3 |
| BTW, Pentium is 64-bit technology.
Mark.
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2886.35 | | RANGER::BACKSTROM | bwk,pjp;SwTools;pg2;lines23-24 | Tue Feb 08 1994 15:02 | 10 |
| Re: .34
By the same definition Intel is using for the Pentium, is the Alpha AXP
"128-bit technology" then? :-)
But, I guess, for marketing purposes the Pentium can be said to be
"64-bit technology" (while not really meaning that it'd really be
a 64-bit microprocessor).
...petri
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2886.36 | Pentium reg size = 32 | CSC32::N_WALLACE | | Wed Feb 09 1994 10:05 | 5 |
|
Pentium register size is 32 bits.
I'm not sure about the data paths.
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2886.37 | Digital bashing is not new | DECWET::LAURUNE | Bill Laurune, DECwest Engineering | Wed Feb 09 1994 11:52 | 12 |
|
Seems to me I've heard a certain amount of Digital bashing
ever since the company became successful. Now that the company
has problems, a lot of bash-prone people just have all the more
opportunity to be part of a jeering mob.
Remember, people with low self esteem try to make themselve look
wise by criticizing others. Work hard, be nice to customers,
invest in the future, and success will come regardless of the
ever-present critics.
BL
|
2886.39 | Fortune Magazine | SWAM1::MEUSE_DA | | Wed Feb 09 1994 12:13 | 15 |
|
Just some info read yesterday.
Fortune Mag rated the computer industry.
HP was no. 1
Sun Was no. 2 or 3.
Digital was no. 7 (lucky 7)
IBM was no. 8
Unisys was no. 9
I think there were 12-15 listed.
Dave
|
2886.40 | | CVG::THOMPSON | Who will rid me of this meddlesome priest? | Wed Feb 09 1994 12:30 | 5 |
| > Fortune Mag rated the computer industry.
Rated based on what?
Alfred
|
2886.41 | ? | SWAM1::MEUSE_DA | | Wed Feb 09 1994 12:51 | 10 |
|
I don't know. Didn't have time to read through then entire thing since
I was on my lunch break. Sorry.
It's the Feb issue dated 2/7.
Dave
|
2886.42 | I didn't say it was a *good* idea | STAR::DIPIRRO | | Wed Feb 09 1994 13:17 | 19 |
| This discussion about Digital bashing actually suggested an ad campaign
to me...and, for a change, I'm serious (although I realize there are other notes
in this conference discussing Digital ad ideas). The idea is based on our
recognition of this bashing...and it's a TV ad that I'm thinking about.
Hire Sylvestor Stallone or a look-alike. Place him at center ring,
puffy and bleeding, his head lowered, and facing the camera. While punches are
thrown from the camera direction, landing on our Rocky, the voice-over
says, "Lately (POW!), Digital has been the punching bag (POW!) of the computer
industry (POW!). Not only didn't we go down, but we have a little surprise in
store for our competitors." Rocky looks up angrily at the camera...Rocky theme
song kicks in quietly (and building) in the background. "We have a set of
products that are going to KNOCK YOUR SOCKS OFF!" The camera pans back so you
can see the other fighter. As Rocky throws a wicked punch, the camera focuses
on the other fighter's legs and feet. The force of the punch knocks him out of
his socks. Only the smoking (for effect) socks remain. Then the voice-over
could say something like, "Digital - No more Mr. Nice Guy" or
"Digital - This time we mean business."
Hey, it's just an idea...
|
2886.43 | | XLIB::SCHAFER | Mark Schafer, Development Assistance | Wed Feb 09 1994 13:36 | 2 |
| good idea, I'd just shorten the lines at the end, "Digital, ..., we
mean business."
|
2886.44 | | BROKE::RAM | | Wed Feb 09 1994 13:41 | 7 |
| <<< Note 2886.43 by XLIB::SCHAFER "Mark Schafer, Development Assistance" >>>
>> good idea, I'd just shorten the lines at the end, "Digital, ..., we
>> mean business."
Or:
"Digital, ..., an offer you can't refuse"
|
2886.45 | "Boy! I'll tell ya, we can't get any respect!" | QBUS::M_PARISE | Southern, but no comfort | Wed Feb 09 1994 13:53 | 3 |
|
I can just imagine Rodney Dangerfield doing a Digital commercial.
|
2886.46 | exccellent idea | STAR::ABBASI | always give a check,it might be mate | Wed Feb 09 1994 15:43 | 15 |
| 2886.42 by STAR::DIPIRRO
Brilliant !!!
i also suggest instead of Sylvestor Stallone (DEC in the ad) fighting
just one other fighter, you put like 3 or 4 bad guys in the ring
all hitting Rocky in the head instead of just the one to one you your
first sketch suggests.
this will make it more dramatic and will show our perseverance and
fighting ability to come back under adverse conditions.
this will make a GREAT TV commercial, if only marketing listen to us.
\nasser
|
2886.47 | | MU::PORTER | think about software engineers that think! | Wed Feb 09 1994 15:50 | 3 |
| Before we go on TV saying "we mean business", don't we
have to first figure out whether we really do mean business,
and if we do, just what that business is?
|
2886.48 | | METSNY::francus | Billlls in '94 | Wed Feb 09 1994 15:54 | 5 |
| re: .47
not really. advertising sets perceptions, and they do not really need
to match reality.
|
2886.49 | GReat! | GLDOA::DBOSAK | The Street Peddler | Wed Feb 09 1994 16:09 | 5 |
| Excellent -- I vote for Rocky - Great spin and would do wonders for
morale - Perchance an INTERNAL marketing program to everyone's
attitudes re-adjusted!
Dennis
|
2886.50 | ALPHAMan | GLDOA::DBOSAK | The Street Peddler | Wed Feb 09 1994 16:11 | 9 |
| Just thought of something - We had an underground video called ALPAHMan
--
I wonder if we could do a bit with ALPHAMan and the no mor mister nice
guy theme
ALPHAMan WHere R U?
Dennis
|
2886.51 | We need awareness among the masses | STAOFF::SMITH | All that is gold does not glitter | Wed Feb 09 1994 18:03 | 42 |
| I'm happy with the activity I've seen so far.
We need to have our products covered in articles in the
various trade rags. Most articles don't mention our
products, even if ours is the oldest, most standard, most
advanced, etc.
If you'd like an example, see last weeks Computerworld.
IBM has SOM written up and glorified as the best standard
object technology ever created, blah, blah.
COM was mentioned as a non-CORBA compliant, not really object
oriented, etc.
Kind of kills our fanfare of 2/8, talking all about COM.
Also talks about NT servers, says COMPAQ is great, Digital
not even mentioned, even though things like Sable
will kick butt!!!
Our customers and the sales reps of our competitor's
rely on these articles to try and keep up with the times.
They appear more readable than an SPD, and are supposedly
objective.
I met the Chief Technology Officer of Con Ed last Friday,
and many of his comments were word for word from the issue
of Computerworld I mentioned above.
Maybe a highly visible "Rocky" ad campaign would get more of the
average trade press staff writer to at least call us and ask,
Digital, are you doing anything interesting in area X???
We can be doing the greatest things in the world, but we can't
be successful as the invisible man of the industry.
Maybe an analogy to the terrific recovery of Chrysler in the late
80's. Alpha - the cab forward of the computer world.
Just a thought.
Dan
|
2886.52 | | DRDAN::KALIKOW | My ELF entry's Hyperized. Is YOURS?? | Wed Feb 09 1994 18:14 | 13 |
| I remember the ALPHAMan video very well, a couple years back I think it
was.
Not for network TV, certainly -- but DYNAMITE stuff for trade shows,
college recruiting, sales force prep, anyplace where pizzazz and
kick-a$$ rhetoric, laced with technology and fact, will make an
impression.
We need MORE of this sort of stuff, just as much IMHO as we need glossy
ads in Newsweek or the WSJ.
ALPHAMan, come back!!!
|
2886.53 | CORBA/COM: Just more standards, that's all | GUCCI::HERB | New Personal Name coming soon! | Wed Feb 09 1994 18:49 | 15 |
| > COM was mentioned as a non-CORBA compliant, not really object
> oriented, etc.
Until Microsoft decides that there's any benefit to their embracing
CORBA, the only way you can bring the 2 object worlds together is
through a bridge (which is how I view COM). I understand our portion of
the COM agreement to be providing the ability for developers to treat
MS Objects as if they were CORBA compliant and, from the MS side to
view the CORBA world as if it were OLE compliant.
The greatest part of standards is that there are so many to choose
from.
By the way, have any of the rags been beating up on SGI for not being a
member of COSE?
|
2886.54 | | GRANMA::MWANNEMACHER | Is it spring yet? | Thu Feb 10 1994 08:12 | 17 |
|
I've visioned an ad campaign which is a several part series. First one
is with DEC employess introcing us. Hi, we are Digital and lately we
have had some egg on our face. That's changing (as we wipe our faces),
we don't make watches, but we are the leader in computer technology.
We have: (list our offerings).
We have to acknowledge that we know things have gone wrong and we are
changing. Future ads could focus on certain markets, PC's, Networks,
Software offerings, Workstations, etc, etc. Gear each commercial
towards a specific audience. The last of the series could tie them all
together in an office environment showing everything working together.
Acknowledge the difficulties, get our name out there, show the reality
of what we can and have done.
Mike
|
2886.55 | In France it's called "Macadm journal." | BONNET::WLODEK | Network pathologist. | Thu Feb 10 1994 08:50 | 5 |
|
Great idea, a theme should be "we are so nice, so lose a buck or two
with us".
I'd rather see adds about Unix, Hubs, Servers, Objects and the rest .
|
2886.56 | Need to know.. | IDEFIX::65296::siren | | Thu Feb 10 1994 09:54 | 14 |
| >I'd rather see adds about Unix, Hubs, Servers, Objects and the rest
That's important, but what could also help is better awareness
of all employees, who are facing customers and media of our
offerings so that the wrong information can be corrected on the
spot.
It's not so long time ago, when sales and support offices seemed
to compete on who can survive with the smallest amount of
information and training for their people. It looks like the tide
is turning (very slowly) in that sense. Let's hope it continues.
--Ritva
|
2886.57 | What does Digital want to be when it grows up... | NWD002::GOLDSMITH_TH | Onward thru the Fog | Thu Feb 10 1994 12:10 | 9 |
|
I agree with the premise that we need to have our house in order
before we embark on this new adventure. 240 million dollars in unshipped
product revenue is nothing to rave about or considered acceptable.
The question I would like to see answered by the SLT is:
What does Digital want to be when it grows up ?
|
2886.58 | | THEBAY::CHABANED | Spasticus Dyslexicus | Thu Feb 10 1994 15:09 | 9 |
|
I think a more appropriate question would be:
"What does Digital want to be when it shrinks down"
^^^^^^^ ^^^^
-Ed
|
2886.59 | | BONNET::WLODEK | Network pathologist. | Thu Feb 10 1994 15:38 | 2 |
|
"...and you ?"
|
2886.60 | More observations/opinions/suggestions | STAOFF::SMITH | All that is gold does not glitter | Fri Feb 11 1994 07:21 | 47 |
| I didn't mean to let our sales reps off the hook by
acknowledging that our image is a big part of the problem.
I've seen some of the best account managers in the industry
working for Digital, and some of the worst, and everything
in between. The really surprising thing is the inconsistency.
Customer's consider their interaction with account managers
to be interactions with "Digital". No wonder our bad rap
is attributed to never staying the same from one minute
to the next. If you change account managers, you can go
from working with an excellent company to working with
an incompetent one. Only strong sales management can fix
that. Any manager who wanted to be someone within Digital
stayed far away from Sales, and got as close to Engineering
as possible. The SLT has to acknowledge this history and
focus their attention on bolstering the first line
sales managers, and get some consistency in the eyes of
the customers.
Sales Training: this was the worst of both worlds. Too
complex to be motivating regarding the strength of our
products, not long enough to actually work through the
complexities and TRAIN anyone.
There are two choices here: Take the risk of pulling sales
people into class long enough to train them competently.
Take people who have already trained themselves, have the
technical sales excellence, and PAY them to do the technical
sale. Then, sales training is reduced to a one day
motivational session, saying your products are strong, here
are your resources who can win over your customers, go out
there and kill 'em!
Why is this not a function of sales support? Our sales support
people are more technically competent than any company I've
seen. Personality wise, the majority seem like an engineer
moved to the field. This makes sense according to the rationale
above: anyone who wanted to be someone in Digital stayed
as lose to engineering as possible. If we want to penetrate
beyond our installed base, we're going to need people more
aggressive than this, people who take it personally when we
lose.
Doesn't what I'm saying make sense?
Dan
|
2886.61 | | DYOSW8::BROWNE | | Fri Feb 11 1994 08:39 | 3 |
| Re: .60 "Doesn't what I'm saying make sense?"
NO!!! You are way off.
|
2886.62 | Undergoing emergency surgery ... without ether! | DPDMAI::UNLAND | | Fri Feb 11 1994 17:21 | 23 |
| re: .60
> Doesn't what I'm saying make sense?
I think it makes a lot of sense. In thirteen years in the Field with
DEC, I've seen tremendous problems created by the "musical chairs"
method of assigning reps to accounts. Every year at the end of the
fiscal year, Sales Managers redistributed the plum accounts to their
pet sales reps, and damn what the customer wants.
IBM always had two excellent things going for them: They would use
their very best sales reps as trainers, and they kept account managers
stable on the big accounts for years (in many cases *decades*).
The continuity provided them with time to make the *big* sales, and
to truly understand the customers business needs and processes. But
in Digital's case, our sales reps would barely learn the customer's
purchasing procedures before they were reshuffled to another account.
I think that things are really going to change in Sales under Lucente,
but the real questions remain: Will it be enough change in time? And
will Digital survive the trauma associated with those changes?
Geoff
|
2886.63 | Thanks for the feedback, please elaborate | STAOFF::SMITH | All that is gold does not glitter | Fri Feb 11 1994 19:36 | 35 |
| Re .61,
Could you elaborate on where I've missed the boat? I explored
my ideas with others at great lengths before airing them
in public. Many people will benefit from productive
feedback.
Re .62,
IBM does exactly that. Take AT&T for example. They are IBM's
#1 customer year in and year out (as well as SUN's, Stratus,
NCR, possibly HP by now.... everyone but Digital). They
have folks who have been account managers there between 15 and
25 years! They ask for a minimum commitment of 5 to 10 years
from new employees to minimize disruption on the account.
This has resulted in sustained revenue from the account in
the hundreds of millions, year in and year out.
What discourages me is that if a customer has to escalate
an issue to a Sales manager, there is still no likelihood
they will experience clear and consistent treatment from
"Digital". Even if a good rep later comes along, they are
still held responsible for any previous mistakes, because
they're from "Digital".
I don't think it's irrational to attribute some of our
flaws to being an engineering driven company. It is
the best way I have of explaining to myself why I'm having
a much harder time selling far superior products than
I had with my previous company. I've been here for two
years, and I have numerous examples already of problems
encou�ntered with customers that directly relate to the
things I am mentioning in this note string.
Dan
|
2886.64 | | DYOSW8::BROWNE | | Fri Feb 11 1994 23:20 | 24 |
| RE: .60
(Sorry to be so short in my reply (.61), I was pressed for time after
lunch and a phone call jerked me away.)
Its not that your comments are all wrong, it is just that
Digital's major problems are not problems with how we "sell" or how we
"manage accounts."
The major problem in these areas shows up in the
time we require our sales account managers to focus their attentions
internally on Digital rather than on the customer! Our account managers
are forced to spend at least half, if not three quarters, of their time
and efforts working internal issues, "schmoozing" internal contacts,
and performing miscellaneous fire drills. AND, it has not gotten any
better! As one of the noters earlier in this string commented,"The
'new' digital is still doing business like the 'old' Digital!"
Therefore, a long discussion on how many good account managers
versus how many bad account managers we have in sales, and what
distinguishes each is not going to be productive. That's just not where
the problems are.
|
2886.65 | We don't disagree, we just have different focus areas | STAOFF::SMITH | All that is gold does not glitter | Sat Feb 12 1994 07:27 | 47 |
| Thanks for clarifying what you meant.
I agree, our internal structure is still way too complicated,
and 70% plus of the time required to solve account problems
is spent getting them through Digital internal.
My focus is on the customer's view of Digital when a less than
admirable account manager has full control of their account
situation. I started out in sales support, and was frequently
the only other Digital person present when the account manager
dealt with the customer. Most of them were fine, but some of
them were a downright embarassment to Digital. When I
discreetly inquired as to how such a person could survive and
thrive at Digital in traumatic times of cutbacks, I received
a clear response. Any rep who makes the number or exceeds the
number is a great rep, period, end of subject. In the case of
one very unpleasant rep, he stole credit from other reps on
the account, because making the number was so important!
This is a huge difference between IBM and Digital. IBM sales
managers take a broader view. If someone is an unethical, or
incompetent representative, they may use a failure to make the
numbers as a leverage to push them out the door. On the flip
side, one bad year for an excellent person does not ruin
their career, or even their incentive based salary if they
are an otherwise high quality person.
From the customer's perspective: Meeting with Digital is only
worth their while if one of the people at the meeting is
knowledgable, and capable of the consultative selling process.
The current training program for sales cannot accomplish this.
With the current morale problems, I don't see many reps taking
the time out of their personal lives to train themselves on
our products. Mandatory testing is not a motivator, success
with customers is.
So, now we have three identified problem areas: lack of
broad, fair coverage in the trade press, plus sniping of our
image; internal processes that are so complex that no-one has
enough energy left over after learning them to learn the
equally complex product areas; and a lack of consistent
quality in the people that are "Digital" in the eyes of the
customer.
Anything else we're missing?
Dan
|
2886.66 | Customer reports low opinion of Digital from vendors, peers | NEWVAX::PAVLICEK | Zot, the Ethical Hacker | Sat Feb 12 1994 13:17 | 31 |
| FYI:
In speaking to my customer recently (a US Army medical research
project), he said that whenever he mentions to people that he's working
with DEC [sic] hardware and software, he routinely gets the response:
"DEC??? Why would you do that? They're about to go under!"
We are trying to get him onto an Alpha AXP platform, but it's hard
because (says he) that 3rd party hardware firms that do the robotic
and video acquisition products he needs don't see Digital as a vendor
with a future. Hence, he is under pressure to go Pentium.
He says he likes the Alpha AXP systems, but he claims that few people
outside of Digital seem to know they exist.
I'm afraid I have to agree on his last point -- people don't know Alpha
AXP from a hole in the wall. I also have to agree that I keep hearing
how Digital "will fold soon" from different people. If this perception
is as wide-spread as it seems, we will need to launch a very agressive
campaign to let people know that we're still here and plan to stay
here!
Unfortunately, I see little sign of this campaign happening. I see
occasional use of popular media (which is good), but we need a more
concerted effort to let people know that we are here and have leading
edge technology and solutions to offer.
-- Russ
"Alpha AXP... What Pentium wants to be when it grows up."
|
2886.67 | Bad idea | SMAUG::GARROD | DCU Board of Director's Candidate | Sat Feb 12 1994 14:36 | 7 |
| Re .-1
The problem with launching a campaign that says that DEC isn't about to
go under would most likely be interprted by people as confirmation
that it will.
Dave
|
2886.68 | pointer to big local article on DEC alpha chip | STAR::ABBASI | always give a check,it might be mate | Mon Feb 14 1994 01:43 | 12 |
| FYI,
i was playing chess tonite with a friend and he told after the
game that today he read a big article in Boston globe (or is that
Boston Telegraph?) about DEC alpha chip.
since i dont read papers (too much bad news) i dont have the article,
but i thought some of you might be interested in looking it up , my
friend said that the article said that DEC has squandered its advantage
lead it had in chip speed, but this is what he said the article said.
\nasser
|
2886.69 | Help us convert interest to cash | CHEFS::OSBORNEC | | Mon Feb 14 1994 03:40 | 57 |
|
Serious self-inflicted pain ---
We are uncompetitive in helping a sales person turn customer interest
into cash. This is a serious blow to revenue generation.
Just look at how HP act in a red account if you want an example of real
competitiveness -- any sniff of action, & they are there in force to
close the opportunity & to win goodwill.
Must confess all too often I see examples of that ultimate turn-off for
any sales staff member -- Digital shooting itself in the foot once the
sales rep has pushed a door open. I'm not in sales, but am totally
dependent on their good work (aren't we all?)
It hurts me to see good sales teams get a customer interested in
something in concept, & then watch them struggle to get proof of
concept into the customer. It hurts me to see delivery delays, &
serious software & hardware reliability & performance problems.
For all the noise about the quality of the sales force, & the need for
more applications on Alpha, the fact remains that far too often good
sales folk are let down when they try to sell what we are alleged to
have available today. Typical recent problems :-
- poor availability of customer seed units to respond to an interest
very fast
- limited sales support staff to visit the customer with the seed
unit to make sure they have installed OK, & that performance is
optimised
- limited support staff to make sure the customer understands how
to operate the widget, & to take feedback on initial perceptions
- poor (ie low availability) benchmarking capabilities, with
limited range of configurations
- defective or unproven software (enabling applications & operating
systems)
The list could go on, but I suspect you understand my point. One of key
problems is demand fulfillment -- not just demand generation. Some of
this conversion process is beyond the ability of generating $nk per day
for involved staff. It is about competitive selling practices.
I hope that the retrenchment programmes recognise these needs, & ensure
customer support is at industry-best levels. I am not yet convinced.
If you have responsibilities in any of these areas & want hard data to
support the comments, please mail me at Colin Osborne @WLC.
Colin
|
2886.70 | Heard | GVAADG::PERINO | I assumed it was implicit | Mon Feb 14 1994 04:25 | 7 |
| re: 68
Since I dont have time to read papers should I say to my friends that
\nasser said that his friend said that in Boston Globe (or Telegraph)
a big article said that DEC has... :-)
Joel
|
2886.71 | | DYOSW8::BROWNE | | Mon Feb 14 1994 09:26 | 11 |
| RE: .65
I don't like to "rain on your parade", but here comes some
precipitation:
You are marching in the wrong direction! Digital's problems need to
be addressed starting at the account team and working back through
the organization. Your discussion so far begins at the account team and
moves toward the customer, and that is just not where the problems
are!!!!
|
2886.72 | In the Sunday Globe | JUMP4::JOY | Perception is reality | Tue Feb 15 1994 11:22 | 14 |
| re: .68 I read the article nasser refers to. It was in the Sunday
Globe. Essentially it was inconclusive, but focussed on the fact that
when we announced Alpha over a year ago, there was essentially no
competition and we had an open market. But due to the lack of
applications ported to Alpha, that now Intel and IBM have had the
chance to catch up. A few different consultants were quoted, one saying
we lost our lead and another saying we still had an opportunity to
capitalize on Alpha now that more software is ported to it and that
other vendors are putting the chips into their products (like virtual
reality games, and other non-computer-oriented boxes that I can't
remember).
Debbie
|
2886.73 | Boston Globe article on Alpha | SSDEVO::PARRIS | RAID-0:when 1 disk isn't fast enough | Tue Feb 15 1994 12:16 | 208 |
| Here's the text of the article. In reading it, it became obvious that someone
gave the Globe the LiveWire transcript of Bob Palmer's quarterly DVN.
<><><><><><><><> T h e V O G O N N e w s S e r v i c e <><><><><><><><>
Edition : 3021 Tuesday 15-Feb-1994 Circulation : 6320
VNS COMPUTER NEWS: [Tracy Talcott, VNS Computer Desk]
================== [Littleton, MA, USA ]
Digital - Is it too late for Alpha
{The Boston Globe, 13-Feb-94, p. 77}
[This is the entire article - TT]
Digital Equipment's future depends on the superfast chip - but its one-year
lead over rivals is gone
Searching desperately for a new product to speed it back to financial
stability, Digital Equipment Corp. built itself the equivalent of a
cutting-edge, high-performance Ferrari race car.
Then it couldn't manage to find any gasoline.
That is the way some analysts have come to see Digital's predicament 15
months after the company released its most important new product, the Alpha
AXP computer chip.
The chip is good or even great, they say, the fastest on the market. It
makes a strong engine for a line of computers that Digital hopes will return
it to prosperity. And yet the software, the market excitement, the
partnerships with other companies - all the things that would give the great
new product some fuel - are sorely lacking.
Even worse for the company and its 93,000 employees, more than a year has
passed in which Digital had the field to itself.
Now, the market for high-performance microprocessors is about to become
crowded with rival products from Motorola Inc., IBM and Intel, all giant
companies that by some accounts will muscle Digital from the road.
"A year and a half lead has evaporated," said David M. Smith, an analyst
with International Data Corp. in Framingham. "They have a plant in Hudson
that can build millions of Alpha chips, but what's going to happen? You must
ask yourself about the investment that Digital made in Alpha."
"Digital blew it," said Richard D. Buchanan, an analyst with Forrester
Research Inc., a market research firm in Cambridge. "They did not execute ...
they frittered away that year."
Others both in and outside Digital say it is too early to know whether the
chip will become popular. Selling a new generation of technology, they argue,
Digital needs time to convince buyers of Alpha's strengths. In addition,
buyers will only look at a new type of computer when they know what functions
it can perform., and software that runs on Alpha-powered machines is just now
being released.
But while the market evaluates Alpha, Digital is losing money and slashing
jobs. Digital cannot wait forever for Alpha to gather speed.
As its famous minicomputers have fallen out of favor, Digital has lost $3.8
billion in the past three and one half years. Ten of the last 11 quarters
have been unprofitable. Once the nation's second-largest computer company,
Digital recently slipped to No. 3 behind IBM and Hewlett-Packard.
In a bull market, investors have become impatient with the company, sending
its stock to the lowest point in 13 years. Digital shares closed Friday at
29 3/4, far below the near-200 level of 1987.
Chief executive Robert B. Palmer acknowledges that morale is low. "Many of
you are not happy, and in many cases you're not engaged," he told employees
this month in a company-wide address. "That doesn't surprise me. Frankly,
some days it's hard for me, too."
Palmer added, however, that Digital is operating near its break-even point
and will see profits soon. And his view has support on Wall Street, from
analysts at Prudential Securities, S.G. Warburg & Co. and several other firms.
Some expect the company to turn a profit in 1995.
But if Alpha fails, those expectations will likely fall flat, too.
Alpha is Digital's entry in a class of microprocessor known as RISC, for
reduced instruction set computing. Microprocessors act as the "brains" of a
computer, and the new RISC chips make computers work faster than ever, with
software that is more complicated than before.
For the companies building them RISC chips also offer hope they can finally
steal a significant piece of the chip market away from Intel, the behemoth of
the industry, with a more than 80% market share.
Digital is not aiming to be the No. 1 chip maker, but it needs to sell Alpha
in volume, some analysts say. Just as cutthroat competition has steadily
driven down the price of personal computers, the price of components is
falling as well. Producers have to sell many more components to make a
profit, which they then spend to develop the next generation of products.
At the same time, Digital needs to sell a high volume of Alpha chips and
Alpha-powered computers to offset revenue it no longer earns from its VAX
minicomputers. In fact, it needs to offset every lost VAX dollar with more
than a dollar in Alpha sales.
That is because minicomputers carried a profit margin of 60%, while Alpha
machines - workstations, personal computers and a type of computer called a
server, which stores and sends files on a computer network - carry margins of
30% to as low as 10%.
So, where will Digital get the volume?
IBM, Motorola and Apple - which have collaborated on the development of a
RISC chip called PowerPC - scored a win last year when Ford Motor Co. said it
would use the chip to control mechanical functions in new Ford cars. The deal
came even though a retired Ford chairman and chief executive sits on Digital's
board.
A RISC chip from MIPS Technologies Inc. received a boost this month when
Nintendo of America Inc. agree to use it in its next generation of video
games. In the United States alone, home video games are a $6 billion
business. Some analysts say they have seen few similar volume-building deals
from Digital.
Sun Microsystems is already the leader in selling RISC-powered workstations
- a powerful type of desktop computer - and has a cadre of loyal users. So
does Hewlett-Packard.
Sun and Hewlett-Packard have had RISC chips on the market for several years.
But when Digital released its Alpha in November 1992, it was generally
recognized as a full step ahead in speed and processing ability.
Within months, however, that lead will be gone, many say. While Alpha may
still be the fastest chip, PowerPC and a new Intel chip called Pentium will
start to ship in volume. And the volumes will be large.
Apple and IBM make more computers than anyone in the nation, and Intel
already sells more chips than anyone. Intel's Pentium - which, although not a
RISC chip, is similarly speedy - can run the tens of thousands of software
applications that work on the older Intel products, giving it a significant
advantage.,
Digital has inked a number of deals with companies that will use the Alpha
in their products, They include Kubota Corp., which makes high-end
workstations, the super-computer company Cray Research, and Olivetti, the
world's 13th largest computer maker.
But some analysts are unimpressed.
"You don't have a Compaq. You don't have a brand-name PC maker picking up
Alpha yet," says Jack Fegreus, editor of Digital News & Review, a
Newton-based trade magazine.
Digital's "problem is that nobody else who really matters in the grand
scheme of things has adopted the Alpha architecture," said Marc Schulman,
president of Technology Strategies Group, a Stamford, Conn., consulting firm.
"Until then, people will view Alpha as a chip only for use in DEC systems."
To Digital, which is working on a new $425 million plant in Hudson to make
Alpha and other chips, this kind of talk is not fair.
Company officials say they are confident they can meet the threshold of 2
million Alpha chips sales each year they need to remain a viable chip maker.
Besides Alphas, said Ed Caldwell, vice president of semiconductor operations,
the company will have to sell 3 million of other types of chips.
"We're not trying to be everything to everyone. We're trying to achieve
market domination in the segments that offer us the best opportunities," said
Willy C. Shih, a Digital vice president for several lines of Alpha products.
"Let IBM take on Intel," he said. "We're targeting only certain focused
markets."
At the annual Toy Fair expo in New York tomorrow, for instance, Kubota
Pacific Computer Inc. is slated to announce an $11 million deal to supply
Alpha-powered workstations of Visions of Reality Corp. for "virtual reality"
games to be placed in malls and amusement parks. Digital officials say the
deal opens a growing opportunity.
In developments not previously reported, Digital has won seven major
technical tests of video-on-demand systems. Digital supplied "video servers,"
which store and send movies and other programming to viewers on demand. The
company says these servers represent a new and potentially lucrative market.
Alpha is also appearing as an "embedded microprocessor" in a number of
products. Embedded chips control the functions of a variety of machines, fro
microwave ovens to stair-climber exerciser machines.
Most important, say Digital officials and some analysts, is that the
software to support Alpha is just beginning to become available.
By midyear, 1,200 to 1,500 software applications will have been announced,
Digital officials say. These are programs that help bankers, financial
analysts, product designers and other people who use computers to do work.
At the same time, Alpha's success is closely tied to how consumers view a
core layer of software called the operating system which controls a computer's
basic functions.
Alpha runs on several kinds of operating systems but the one that could
drive most of its sales is called Windows NT. Microsoft created Windows NT
and hopes it will become the standard for computers linked in networks in
businesses. Digital worked closely with Microsoft to make sure Alpha worked
well with the operating system.
But Windows NT itself was somewhat late, and market acceptance is moving
slowly. Analysts are divided on whether the system will eventually catch on
and help push Alpha.
"This is not a blitzkrieg," said Caldwell, Digital's vice president, of the
coming chip wars. It's a war of attrition. It's about who can keep
investing, who can keep making innovations.
Digital will need cash to sustain the war. Until Alpha catches on with new
customers, the company and some analysts have taken solace in the thought that
Digital can sell its new products to its huge base of existing minicomputer
customers.
Even there, Digital has a challenge.
Interprovincial Pipe Line Inc., an Edmonton, Alberta, operator of oil
pipelines, has been a Digital client for years. Now, the company wants a new
system to help it schedule how oil runs through its pipelines.
The new system will run on desktop computers and servers, rather than on
Interprovincial's Digital-made VAX minicomputers. Besides Digital, project
manager Bob Crosty has invited Sun Microsystems and Hewlett-Packard to set up
computers in his shop and show what they can do.
Now and in the future, Crosty said, Digital will have to compete for
Interprovincial's business against other companies, project by new project.
[The following time line accompanies the article - TT]
Alpha represented Digital Equipment's hope for the future when it was
unveiled by former chairman Ken Olsen in 1992.
Chairman Robert Palmer is under pressure as Alpha battles for a place in an
increasingly competitive market.
October 1990 - Digital gives official status to an internal group developing
Alpha.
July 1991 - IBM and Apple announce alliance to work on their new chip,
PowerPC. The deal is compared to Ford and GM building a new
car engine together.
February 1992 - After three years of work and an estimated $500 million
investment, Digital unveils Alpha. Two computer makers
already say they will use the chip: Cray Research Inc. and
Kubota Corp. of Japan.
March 1992 - Digital pays a hefty premium for a stake in Olivetti of
Italy, which will now put Alpha in its computers.
November 1992 - Digital unveils its first Alpha machines, nearly a year
ahead of the first PowerPC appearance.
March 1993 - Intel introduces its high-powered Pentium chip.
September 1993 - IBM introduces first workstations using PowerPC.
October 1993 - Intel says that more than 60 different computer makers are
using Pentium chips.
November 1993 - Apple says it wants to put PowerPC chips in its popular
Macintosh computers as soon as possible, indicating big
sales for the chip.
Late 1993 - PowerPC chosen as mechanical control chip for Ford cars.
January 1994 - Digital reports unexpected loss for final quarter of 1993,
its 10th loss in 11 quarters.
February 1994 - Nintendo says its next generation of video games will use
MIPS chips, generating volumes for another Alpha competitor.
March 1994 - Macintosh with PowerPC is scheduled for launch.
Mid-1994 - First IBM personal computers with PowerPC are due.
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Congratulations to whomever is dealing with Communications Week.
The interview with Steve McIntosh on pg 20 of the 2/28/94
is the most reasonable press coverage of Digital I have seen
in the two years I've been with the company.
Whatever you did to make this kind of progress, KEEP
DOING IT, and try to get to the other major industry
rags.
Thanks again!
Dan (tired of being kicked or ignored by the press) Smith
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