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2786.1 | different view | POLAR::MOKHTAR | | Sun Nov 21 1993 14:30 | 38 |
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Hi Jean,
i have not heard about VIRTUALITY or VS, however i have a different opinion
than yours :
>> On the contrary VIRTUALITY makes me understand, justify, decisions and
>> furthermore can help in predicting things.
For me i justify decision based on my own consciousness. Allowing a claimed
system ( no matter how good it is ) to affect my decision making process
transforms me into an automatom, depriving my conscious and free will. This
contradicts religion,science and philosophy.
>> For instance let's verify (hopefully it's ok !) some Bob's DVN parts against
>> VIRTUALITY principles.
What if Bob Palmer was wrong ?
>> Virtual systems aim at mirroring reality without having the time and
>> dimension constraints.
>> Since ideally there should be one virtual system understanding all aspects
>> of a unique reality,
>> VS integrate for example, machines, robots, scanners, captors....
An unconstrained reality is non existent. Actually in modern physics you
get different observations to the same phenomena by applying different
time and dimension constraints, this is not an observation limitation but
rather a property of matter.
Even reality in its most fundamental form, that of mathematical truth, has
been proved non existent by the works of Godel and Hilbert. There is no
system with whatever algorithm [ During machine ] capable of identifying
reality. Reality must come through non algorithmic routes such as
consciousness & instinct.
In physics many recent arguments seem to support the anthropic principle,
stating that the universe is strongly constrained that conscious beings
observe it for it to exist.
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2786.2 | non existent During machine | POLAR::MOKHTAR | | Sun Nov 21 1993 14:33 | 2 |
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i meant Turing not During machine
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2786.3 | | HEDRON::DAVEB | anti-EMM! anti-EMM! I hate expanded memory!- Dorothy | Mon Nov 22 1993 11:41 | 7 |
| Bah we don't need a vision we need people and managers who do things. Not
visualize. we need leadership not vapor or crayon colored visions that are
too vague to translate into anything meaningful.
just my opinion
dave
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2786.4 | How about destination? | ICS::DONNELLAN | | Mon Nov 22 1993 22:10 | 13 |
| re:-1
Granted. Most visions have no meaning at all to anyone, much less to
the people who created them.
However, I'm sure you don't mean just "doing things" for their own
sake. After all, they could decide to make bowling balls, or better
yet, just go bowling. You are assuming they are doing things that will
lead somewhere. The problem is we don't know what somewhere looks
like.
Would you go on a trip and not know what the destination was? Well,
we're on a trip. Does anyone know the destination? There are a lot of
customers who want to know.
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2786.5 | easy as ABC | STAR::ABBASI | only 21 days to go and counting... | Mon Nov 22 1993 22:41 | 20 |
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>Would you go on a trip and not know what the destination was? Well,
>we're on a trip. Does anyone know the destination? There are a lot of
>customers who want to know.
well, our destination is where the customer wants us to be.
we are here to meet customer needs, if customer want X, we give them
X, if they want Y we give them Y.
when a customer asks you where we are heading, just tell them we are
heading to serve you in any direction you are heading, dear customer.
if the customers don't know where they are heading, why blame DEC?
i know i should be a VP or something. one day, ONE DAY !!
\nasser
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2786.6 | | ICS::DONNELLAN | | Tue Nov 23 1993 07:20 | 1 |
| How can I agrue with a future VP?
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2786.7 | VIRTUALITY is concrete | ULYSSE::FINKA | | Thu Nov 25 1993 12:27 | 15 |
| I don't want to argue in endless (generaly non added value) discussions.
VIRTUALITY is not theoretical, on the contrary examples of first-age VS are :
TV, computer, watch, book, key, credit card, money, image, mail, movie,
telephone, newspaper, Sega and Nintendo games, etc.
My point is that you won't be able to prove that VIRTUALITY is not the vision.
So we'd better take it for granted and a positive competitive advantage while
we still have such an opportunity.
For instance VIRTUALITY helps in delivering more accurate and credible messages
than 'Satisfy all customers needs'.
Regards,
Jean
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2786.8 | I might regret this... | FORTY2::SHIPMAN | MOG | Fri Nov 26 1993 04:57 | 4 |
| OK, I'll ask. What on earth do you mean by VIRTUALITY? I haven't understood
anything you've said so far.
Nick
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2786.9 | Pick a meaning, any meaning... | ATYISB::HILL | Come on lemmings, let's go! | Fri Nov 26 1993 07:08 | 10 |
| The New Shorter Oxford English Dictionary says of 'virtuality':
1. The possession of force or power, something endowed with such power.
(rare)
(first use late 15th century, obsolete since early 17th century)
2. Virtual or essential nature or being, as distinct from external form
or embodiment.
(first use mid 17th century)
3. A virtual, as opposed to an actual, thing; a potentiality.
(first use mid 19th century)
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2786.10 | what does it buy us ? | POLAR::MOKHTAR | | Fri Nov 26 1993 12:05 | 15 |
| re .7
>> VIRTUALITY is not theoretical, on the contrary examples of first-age VS are :
>> TV, computer, watch, book, key, credit card, money, image, mail, movie,
>> My point is that you won't be able to prove that VIRTUALITY is not the vision.
Given :
A) The items you list ( TV.. ) were developed as a result of human thought.
B) VIRTUALITY is always the correct vision and predicts what humans achieve.
combine A & B -> C :
C) Human thought is the correct Vision.
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2786.11 | Actuality ? | BONNET::WLODEK | Network pathologist. | Sat Nov 27 1993 09:48 | 12 |
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Could not agree more with Virtuality. But these stupid customers might
have problem.
First came REALITY, no products and 3b$ ( was it 3?) loss.
Then came IMAGINATION, in the form of Burgundy and round dots on "i"s.
Now we give them VIRTUALITY vision.
Even the most patient one's will start asking themselves, is this what
I pay premium price for ?
The idea is ahead of his century, chapeau !
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