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2759.1 | | GLDOA::ROGERS | I'm the NRA | Tue Nov 02 1993 19:46 | 7 |
| The climate of this entire conference is beginning to sound an awful
lot like a meeting of the United Auto Workers Union when the subject is
General Motors. G.M had/has so much disregard for the workforce that
the union is the only thing they can turn to. It make you wonder if
that lesson will ever be learned, does it not?
/bob
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2759.2 | I meant the 9th of November | SMAUG::GARROD | From VMS -> NT, Unix a future page from history | Tue Nov 02 1993 19:57 | 6 |
| Re .0
I just realized I referred to Tuesday 7th November for the next Bill
Steul meeting. Of course I meant Tuesday 9th November at 5:30.
Dave
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2759.3 | how do we know he'll make the next meeting? | CVG::THOMPSON | Who will rid me of this meddlesome priest? | Tue Nov 02 1993 22:39 | 11 |
| I am on vacation this week. I was considering driving down to the Mill
this afternoon to hear this talk. Fortunately, as it turns out, family
commitments make that impractical.
I have to agree with Dave that this sends a bad message. When people
are afraid to remind a VP of a previous announced commitment that's
scary. It seems to me I wrote a note in this conference earlier about
management by fear and intimidation. What sort of manager surrounds
himself with people who are afraid to hold them to their commitments?
Alfred
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2759.4 | The jury's still out... | ICS::DONNELLAN | | Tue Nov 02 1993 23:09 | 9 |
| I was there as well.
Remember, we have only our best guesses as to why he did not show.
When we do not have adequate information, the conclusions we jump to
are invariably negative. There may have been a very valid reason why
he did not appear, which everyone would approve of. Bill will have a
chance to share that next time. I urge as many as possible to appear.
The fact that he is willing to even listen (I hope?) is a major step
forward.
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2759.5 | | PLAYER::BROWNL | The Becket Effect... yes... | Wed Nov 03 1993 07:32 | 9 |
| RE: <<< Note 2759.4 by ICS::DONNELLAN >>>
� Remember, we have only our best guesses as to why he did not show.
� When we do not have adequate information, the conclusions we jump to
� are invariably negative.
True, but whose problem is that? Who can/could fix that problem?
Laurie.
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2759.7 | How it SHOULD have been handled | SMAUG::GARROD | From VMS -> NT, Unix a future page from history | Wed Nov 03 1993 09:19 | 26 |
| Here is how I think Bill Steul should have handled it.
First I will assume that the meeting with Bob Palmer was absolutely
critical and couldn't be postponed or held later. Assuming that is
true what I would have liked to have seen was the following.
At exactly 5:30 or a few minutes later Bill Steul should have walked
into the room PERSONALLY and said something along the lines of.
"I'm extremely sorry but I won't be able to meet my prior
committment to speak to you this evening. I am in the middle
of a meeting with Bob Palmer that can't be postponed.
(I'd have then liked to have heard the high level reason
assuming that wasn't too confidential).
I really apologize for causing you to waste your time but I hope
you can understand. I have rescheduled the meeting for xxx, I
hope you can come by then."
He could then have returned to his Bob Palmer meeting.
Now the above would have been the mark of a real leader who cared about
the organization.
Dave
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2759.8 | Worth Waiting For? | ASABET::GREENBERG | | Wed Nov 03 1993 09:38 | 15 |
| I understand that people don't like to be kept waiting. However in my
everyday work I have had many dealings with Bill Steul. He is
undoubtedly one of the most ethical managers I have met. He cares very
much about people and the company and this comes across very clearly.
I think that we need to remind ourselves that he has given up three
very precious evenings in order to spend time with Digital employees.
I know that if he was late for something that was so important to
him, there must have been a very good reason for it. Can we be more
positive and instead of taking it so personally and assuming that he's
now one of "them" appreciate the fact that he does care enough to
commit to spending time with us. He also did not "blow off" the
meeting, he was late, and I for one can forgive him for that knowing how
crucial his meeting must have been with Bob Palmer. Bill's first
communcations meeting was a great success and I know his next two will
be also. I hope that many people will go and meet him.
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2759.9 | Let's call a spade a spade | SMAUG::GARROD | From VMS -> NT, Unix a future page from history | Wed Nov 03 1993 09:56 | 14 |
| Re .-1
If he was going to be late he should have informed someone of that.
Instead at 5:50 we were TOLD to leave by someone who said and I quote
as best as I can remember:
"nobody wants to go into Bill Steul's meeting with Bob Palmer"
So he was not "late". He didn't turn up before people were told to
leave. I stand by my original statement "he blew off the meeting". I
explained in a prior reply how it could have been handled
professionally.
Dave
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2759.10 | | XLIB::SCHAFER | Mark Schafer, Development Assistance | Wed Nov 03 1993 10:01 | 1 |
| So call him.
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2759.11 | | MILPND::CLARK_D | | Wed Nov 03 1993 11:25 | 39 |
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From: NAME: CNS East Site Delivery
FUNC: CNS - Eastern Sites
TEL: PKO/MSO/MLO/OGO <SUBSCRIBER.CNS AT A1 at ICS at PKO>
To: See Below
I N T E R O F F I C E M E M O R A N D U M
Date: 03-Nov-1993 07:55am EST
From: Bill Steul @MLO
STEUL.BILL AT PNDVUEA1 at MLMAIL at MLO
Dept: Finance
Tel No: 223-3321
TO: MILL EMPLOYEES ( PAPER MAIL AT PNDVUEA1 at MLMAIL at MLO )
Subject: COMMUNICATIONS FORUM
I want to apologize for being late for the communications forum last night
and thank everyone who attended.
We will pick up the second of the three sessions at 5:30 p.m. on Tuesday, 9
November, and do the third session on 16 November.
Thank you for your understanding.
I look forward to seeing you on the 9th and 16th.
Regards.
ps
To Distribution List:
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2759.12 | | ZPOVC::HWCHOY | Simply Irresistible! | Wed Nov 03 1993 11:55 | 6 |
| re .7
It would be even better if Bob Palmer himself (after being told by Bill
about the meeting) would come out and explain to everyone that he needs
to meet with Bill urgently and so sorry can everyone come back again
some other time?
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2759.13 | Judgement Call was Made | ASABET::GREENBERG | | Wed Nov 03 1993 13:45 | 11 |
| The meeting was supposed to start at 5:30. At 5:35 a "spokesman" told
the audience that Bill was delayed. Fifteen minutes
later the spokesman made a judgement call and, rather than have
everyone wait, decided to tell them that the meeting would be
postponed. He felt it was better to let people go home, rather than have
them wait for Bill who was unavoidably delayed. Bill got out of his
meeting at 6:05 and before he headed up to the meeting, was told of the
decision which had been made.
He didn't blow it off. People were kept informed. A judgment call was
made in what was felt to be the best interest of the audience.
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2759.14 | | LEVERS::DBROWN | | Wed Nov 03 1993 14:25 | 24 |
| RE: Last few...
Bill, the same as anyone of us can get wrapped up in things and
forget appointments, no matter how important! I would venture to
guess that all of us at one time or another has done the same and
that we were very appreciative that who ever it was gave us a break
and the benefit of the doubt.
I also think that his efforts to tell us what's happening should
not be minimized. It is not easy to talk about tough subjects, in
these tough times and answer tough questions. That's why so few
of the upper management have done it.
So... give him the benefit of the doubt, don't be offended or
discouraged because he will make good at the next meeting.
Don't knock him because he didn't handle it the way you would have
liked to if you were in his shoes.
Just $0.02 from one fallible human to another,
dave
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2759.15 | Videotaped? | TOOK::MORRISON | Bob M. LKG1-3/A11 226-7570 | Fri Nov 05 1993 13:08 | 9 |
| If I had organized the meeting, I would have had a contingency plan in case
Bill Steul was late. That is, something to fill the time, such as an alternate
speaker or video. Just sitting around in an auditorium for a half hour can be
very boring. I also would have kept people there for another 15 minutes or so
before sending them home.
Was the first session videotaped, and will the next two be? It won't be con-
venient for me to attend these, but I would like to hear them. I don't ask
questions in large meetings like this, so I won't miss anything from not being
there.
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2759.16 | Common Courtesy...NOT | ODIXIE::SCRIVEN | | Fri Nov 05 1993 16:46 | 3 |
| What ever happened to common courtesy?
JP
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2759.17 | | 58323::LANDINGHAM | STOWOA::LANDINGHAM - Marcia | Fri Nov 12 1993 14:05 | 4 |
2759.18 | | CVG::THOMPSON | Who will rid me of this meddlesome priest? | Fri Nov 12 1993 14:25 | 3 |
| How was the "make up" meeting?
Alfred
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2759.19 | It went well | ICS::DONNELLAN | | Fri Nov 12 1993 16:29 | 9 |
| Glad you asked. I thought it was excellent. Some introductory
information was shared which then evolved into a discussion of more
critical issues around direction, morale, and the recent tuition
reimbursement (or lack thereof) announcement.
I felt Bill was candid and open to continuing these in whatever forum
made sense. This kind of two way dialogue is absolutely critical to
resolving many of our problems; I applaud Bill for taking this all
important step.
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