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2743.1 | 'xuse me | OPG::TORPEYM | | Thu Oct 28 1993 04:53 | 3 |
| I don't disagree with one word of the sentiment but didn't IBM have the
worst figures in Corporate history. Are they bankrupt? Or do we just have
to wait?
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2743.2 | | GLDOA::KATZ | Follow your conscience | Thu Oct 28 1993 07:35 | 8 |
| RE .0
Thanks for the note. An acknowledgement of our problems to a
public forum like this is a lot more impressive then the last
couple years of denial and "light at the end of the tunnel"
syndrome we have been hearing.
-Jim-
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2743.3 | different lists | CVG::THOMPSON | Who will rid me of this meddlesome priest? | Thu Oct 28 1993 08:04 | 11 |
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>I don't disagree with one word of the sentiment but didn't IBM have the
>worst figures in Corporate history. Are they bankrupt? Or do we just have
>to wait?
There were two lists mentioned in .0. Worst losses and worst losses as
a function of revenue. While IBM may have beat us on the first list I
believe we beat them on the second. That's not the sort of category I
want to see us beat IBM in either.
Alfred
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2743.4 | Internal CASE initiative | STAR::DIPIRRO | | Thu Oct 28 1993 08:06 | 13 |
| Well, if it makes you feel any better, part of the AEE program is
focused on totally revamping the way we develop software in this
company. You may have heard about it referred to as the "internal CASE
initiative." There seems to be universal recognition by those involved
that our current methods are antiquated. A number of areas are being
investigated simultaneously, on an aggressive schedule, to make
detailed recommendations to Strecker's staff early next year. Strecker
is serious enough about it to have set aside significant $$$ to address
this.
The bad news is that *I'm* one of the ones involved with this! Hey,
it wasn't my idea. There is a public NOTEs conference for more
information/discussion on this in TURRIS::INTERNAL-CASE-USERS for
anyone interested.
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2743.5 | We do not have that much time | INTGR8::TWANG::DICKSON | | Thu Oct 28 1993 08:25 | 2 |
| "Making detailed recommendations to Strecker early next year" is not
what I would call an aggressive schedule.
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2743.6 | | SOFBAS::SHERMAN | C2508 | Thu Oct 28 1993 09:58 | 41 |
| > Of course the bozos in functions like personnel still continue to put
> out the happy horseshit memos explaining how all the benefit cuts are
> good for you and doing all they can to pretend there is no problem in
> the mistaken belief that morale will improve if the truth is hidden.
> In reality the exact opposite occurs.
No comment.
> This is not just one person saying this. The amount of engineering
> effort that this company poors down the drain due to:
> 1, Appalling management
> 2, Poor planning
> 3, Empire building
> 4, Requirements churn
> 5, lack of accountability
> is mind boggling.
... and typical of a company in deep trouble.
In Business School we studied a number of companies in our situation. Almost
without exception, they were broken up and sold off in pieces. I have seen
nothing so far that indicates the future is any different for Digital.
There's an old joke:
Biologist teaches frog to jump by saying "jump!"
Biologist cuts-off frog's front leg, says "jump!" and frog jumps.
Biologist cuts-off frog's other front leg, says "jump!" and frog jumps.
Biologist cuts-off frog's rear leg, says "jump!" and frog sort-of jumps.
Biologist cuts-off frog's other rear leg, says "jump!" and frog does not jump.
Under 'conclusions,' biologist writes: "Removed all of frog's legs;
frog can no longer hear."
Sound familiar?
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2743.7 | | GLDOA::DBOSAK | The Street Peddler | Thu Oct 28 1993 10:38 | 18 |
| Hmmm -- Good base note!
I think the "denial" comment is appropriate. I believe there are other
areas within the company suffering from the same problem.
I believe that if Palmer can execute on his Accountability plan, we
stand a chance.
From a sales perspective, now I have to address the "risk of Digital
being out of business in a couple of years."
No kidding!! The prospective customer actually asked me this question
in a meeting -- The customer likes the products we have but had a real
concern about whether we would be there for the long term.
Let's hope that Palmer's "No-Excuse" Management style prevails!!
Denni
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2743.8 | IBM wannabe??? | PIKOFF::DERISE | I'm goin' to Disney Land! | Thu Oct 28 1993 11:04 | 7 |
| There is an editorial in the Wall Street journal today about IBM. It
is titled, "The Continuing Crisis at IBM," written by Paul B. Carroll,
the author of the book, "Big Blues: The Unmaking of IBM."
This editorial is must reading, especially by our senior executives and
middle managers. There are a lot of similarities between the two
companies!
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2743.9 | | NASZKO::MACDONALD | | Thu Oct 28 1993 11:46 | 15 |
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My group, Software Engineering Technology Center, is closely
involved with the kind of work the AEE program is up to i.e.
re-engineering Digital's way of working. It is needed and
critical to to our survival.
I offer one caution, however, manager bashing is quite popular
these days and in this file and others we see the lament about
when are "they" going to wake up and listen. Understand one
thing very clearly: Any new way of working is going to affect
YOU. Managers are not the only ones who will have to change.
fwiw,
Steve
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2743.10 | The Continuing Crisis at IBM - Please post ! | ELMAGO::JMORALES | | Thu Oct 28 1993 12:07 | 10 |
| Re: PIKOFF::DERISE
>>> "The Continuin Crises at IBM," written by Paul B. Carroll
Will you please post the above mentioned article so that those of
us who receive the Wall Street Journal late (because we live far from
New York) are able to read it.
Thanks & Regards
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2743.11 | the direction is obvious | LGP30::FLEISCHER | without vision the people perish (DTN 223-8576, MSO2-2/A2, IM&T) | Thu Oct 28 1993 12:15 | 9 |
| re Note 2743.4 by STAR::DIPIRRO:
> Well, if it makes you feel any better, part of the AEE program is
> focused on totally revamping the way we develop software in this
> company.
We're going to buy it, right?
Bob
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2743.12 | | MIMS::PARISE_M | Profitability?...fawgeddaBOW'dit! | Thu Oct 28 1993 12:36 | 6 |
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The sobering statistic alluded to in .0 is the decline in revenue.
The sobering fact expressed in .7 is the erosion of customer con-
fidence. Both items are not only sobering, they're ominous.
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2743.13 | | NASZKO::MACDONALD | | Thu Oct 28 1993 13:07 | 9 |
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Re: .12
Yes, but knowing of one should not surprise anyone at seeing the
other appear. There is likely a direct causal connection between
them.
Steve
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2743.14 | To receive AEE information... | SEND::PARODI | John H. Parodi DTN 381-1640 | Thu Oct 28 1993 13:41 | 8 |
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Just to make things clear, the report Dave refers to in .0 is available
in HUMAN::ENG_EXCEL_PUBLIC:AEE_STATUS_OCTOBER93.MEM.
To be place on the AEE distribution list, send mail to me
(SEND::PARODI) or HUMAN::EXCELLENCE.
JP
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2743.15 | Fear not, this should explain everything | LACGID::BIAZZO | DECvp - Highest Unit Volume Product | Thu Oct 28 1993 13:48 | 58 |
| re: .7 This should allay your customer's doubts in Digital
Amidst the latest round of VP appointments in LiveWire, this liitle jewel
was posted.
I'm going to pull it off and have a chuckle.
Customer presentation addresses Digital's
direction, financial strengths
Because of Digital's Q1, FY94 earnings, customers have been
inquiring as to Digital's viability, strategies and company direction.
In response to these customer questions, the field worldwide has asked
for a sales tool that positively and proactively addresses these concerns.
"Digital's Direction and Financial Strengths," a presentation and
accompanying text, is now available on VTX OPAL for use by the
worldwide field. This modular sales tool positively positions and
interprets the corporation's key financial and strategic messages.
Geography-specific addenda accompany the corporate presentation and
can be used as appropriate.
Called "FY94 Q1 Digital's Direction, Financial Strengths," the
presentation can be accessed by selecting option #1, "New and Revised
Content," or by choosing option #4, "Digital Corporate Information" off
the OPAL main menu.
The presentation is accessible in ASCII, PostScript and source file
formats to show the presentation directly on the PC notebook. It will
be updated quarterly following the announcement of the company's
operating results.
For questions on content and customer positioning, contact Karen
Cadrin at DTN 297-3540. For questions on accessing and printing the
presentation from OPAL, contact the OPAL hotline at DTN 264-7799 or
DTN 264-1051.
FOR DIGITAL INTERNAL USE ONLY
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2743.16 | Clarification of .4 | TLE::TOKLAS::FELDMAN | SDT Software Engineering Process Group | Thu Oct 28 1993 18:13 | 20 |
| re: .4
I haven't seen anything officially connecting the Internal CASE
program to AEE (other than the connections up at the
top). I don't recall it being mentioned at the AEE quarterly, and
it certainly isn't in the October status report mentioned in .0.
That doesn't imply anything good or bad about the Internal CASE
effort -- it's merely an organizational distinction, at least at
this time.
The Internal CASE effort is strongly focused on recommending tools,
and not software development processes. There are AEE efforts on
verification/validation, phase management, requirements management,
hardware reuse, and software reuse.
I'd be delighted to hear that Strecker has already set aside the
money for tool and hardware acquisition, but as far as I know, that isn't
official.
Gary
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2743.17 | Digital keeping bad company? | 17007::VIGIL | Williams VIGIL, y que mas? | Thu Oct 28 1993 19:26 | 19 |
| Ref: 8
Paul Carroll's "Big Blues: The Unmaking of IBM", was reviewed in
the Sept. 19th issue of the New York Times Book Review, page 11.
William Taylor, editor of a magazine on business and the economy,
had this to say:
"The end of I.B.M. as we knew it, Mr. Carroll writes, 'is a sort of
Greek tragedy. It is a very sad story.' But it is not a Greek
tragedy. It is the most acute episode yet in an industry-wide power
shift that has claimed many other victims: Wang, Digital Equipment,
Control Data, the list goes on. And while it is indeed a sad story,
it is also a story of our times."
I find that for Digital Equipment to be associated with the Wang and
Control Data, Digital's image has indeed declined in the business
world.
Ws
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2743.18 | Proposed addition to .7's hoped-for characterization of Bob P | DRDAN::KALIKOW | I CyberSurf the Web on NCSA Mosaic | Thu Oct 28 1993 20:56 | 7 |
| .7> Let's hope that Palmer's "No-Excuse" Management style prevails!!
May I suggest an addendum to that putative style, that would perhaps
ensure that a major "excuse loophole" could be closed?
"Bob Palmer's `No-Excuses, No-Reorgs' Management Style"
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2743.19 | a time for reflection... | GLDOA::ROGERS | I'm the NRA | Sun Oct 31 1993 21:20 | 19 |
| It is a slow paradign shift, almost too slow to recognize. Product
life cycles getting shorter, gradual commoditization of technology,
hardware and s/w licenses in an ever steeper downward spiral. We sell
more computer power than ever before and for less revenue and lower
profits.
Can a "tools" provider really survive? I beginning to think not.
Should DEC (I'll call us what our customer call us even we can't seem
to recognize that) diversify? Into what? I sell tools in a market
where tools are moving to mass market channels. What will I do next.
I'd better figure this out relatively soon.
Hopping to HP or SGI is not figuring it out. Where is the next major
social/industry/market need going to come from? What skills will be
needed to work there? How do I prepare? How will I even recognize the
opportunity in time?
/bob
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2743.20 | y | ICS::DOANE | | Mon Nov 01 1993 09:32 | 43 |
| re. -1
"Equipment" has been Digital's middle name. "Machines" has been IBM's
last name. "Laboratories" is what Wang called itself. "Data" was
CDC's middle name.
Equipment, machines, laboratories, data: these were once leading-edge
because they were once scarce and difficult areas.
Now, there are many places in the world very competent to make
equipment, machines, do lab work, process data. None of these areas is
all that scarce anymore, despite the "high tech" label that sticks to
them all. And to make a good profit, we have to find things to
contribute in peoples' lives that *are* scarce, that *are* difficult.
Changing organizations so they are far more productive is still
difficult. The skills to do it are still fairly scarce. And it
involves both training people and using technology, in a clever and
creative combination. We have people at Digital who are good at this
kind of development, from whom to learn--and we can sell their services
to some of our customers (better yet, to some non-customers who should
be Digital's growth base.)
But we can't find our way to this sort of future if we cling to
Equipment as our middle name, just because it has been our past
success. Once a year or so I fly this trial balloon: what if we
changed our name to Digital Assistance Corp.? What if we say we're
willing to commit to a customer's commitments, if we believe in them;
and take part of our remuneration in their stock, not to be sold for
say five years after we begin working with that company (assuming for
the moment just those customers who have stock...) We form a
partnership in which when they succeed, we get most of our potential
reward--and if they don't, we don't. We assist them in developing
their profitable business as well as we can, with all of the resources
we have or can bring to bear--and only our out-of-pocket expenses are
covered by cash on the barrelhead billings, the rest have to come from
equity participation in the customer's success.
What then?
Russ
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2743.21 | | MU::PORTER | nature abhors a vacuum cleaner | Mon Nov 01 1993 10:22 | 7 |
| No comment from me on the substantive part of your proposal,
but as far as changing the name to DAC -- this is the usual
sort of way we try and fix something around here.
Changing the name of something has
no effect other than confusing customers or making them laugh
at us (see "OpenVMS" for a prime example).
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