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2515.1 | it would seem to be true | LGP30::FLEISCHER | without vision the people perish (381-0899 ZKO2-2/T63) | Thu May 27 1993 13:35 | 20 |
| re Note 2515.0 by ASDG::FOSTER:
> I recently saw a memo floating around that said that caree-related
> external courses should not be approved unless they are part of
> a degree program which has already been started.
>
> Is this true? Is it being enforced yet?
Well, a memo from Jay Zager, writing for the Senior
Leadership Team and dated 24 May, announces a broad range of
discretionary spending freezes for engineering.
One of the categories is external training and management
training EXCLUDING the college tuition reimbursement program.
Actually, the memo freezes just about everything, since it
ends with "All other discretionary spending is frozen without
Group Controller approval."
Bob
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2515.2 | is true; I just cancelled out one.. | DECWET::PENNEY | Johnny's World! | Thu May 27 1993 14:12 | 4 |
| yep.. reply .1 quotes the policy..seminars, etc. are not allowed ..
only tutition for the after-hours college programs where employees are
reembursed, etc.
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2515.3 | External Education Assistance | DNEAST::MCLAUGHLIN_P | | Fri May 28 1993 08:04 | 82 |
| From: NAME: John Sims @MLO
FUNC: Strategic Resources
TEL: 223-7243 <SIMS.JOHN AT PNDVUEA1 at MLMAIL at MLO>
Date: 22-May-1993
Posted-date: 22-May-1993
Precedence: 1
Subject: EXTERNAL EDUCATIONAL ASSISTANCE 1
To: See Below
REF: ATTACHED MEMO FROM JOSE RAMIREZ
**********************************************************************
From: NAME: JOSE RAMIREZ_ER
FUNC: CORPORATE EMPLOYEE RELATIONS
TEL: 223-9584 <RAMIREZ.JOSE AT A1 at ICS at PKO>
Date: 21-May-1993
Posted-date: 21-May-1993
Precedence: 1
Subject: External Educational Assistance 1
To: See Below
CC: See Below
This memo is intended to provide you with a briefing of the revised
External Education Assistance Policy. The work related to this policy
was discussed previously at the Senior Leadership Team meeting and has
now received the approval of the U.S. Personnel Policy Development
Committee and Hope Greenfield, manager of the office for Development
and Learning.
We believe the new policy is reflective and in concert with the
current direction of the Company regarding investment in education.
Your feedback to the key highlights (see next page) is needed by
Thursday, May 27th. This will enable us to begin to communicate these
changes and allow affected employees to work with their manager or
supervisor in time for the new school term.
If you have any questions or wish to receive the full text of the
policy, please contact me or Rick Riesenberg at your convenience.
Regards,
Jose Ramirez
EXTERNAL EDUCATION ASSISTANCE (EEA)
KEY HIGHLIGHTS AND CHANGES
o A written development plan, tied to Digital's business goals, is a
prerequisite to an employee requesting EEA.
o Managers are responsible to evaluate and balance the return to
Digital and benefits to employees, to ensure a clear return on the
educational investment before approving and planning the funding
for EEA.
o Employees are responsible for demonstrating the relationship
between a course program, seminar or conference to a current or
future Digital business goal.
o All regular active (R20-R40) are eligible to request EEA for
career related courses.
o All book cost are reimbursed at 100% level to acknowledge the ROI
associated with the approval of a course. Today the reimbursement
is 100% for job required courses and 75% for career related
programs.
o If business requirements, the employee's job, or the employee's
manager change, this could affect previously approved programs.
However, managers would be expected to follow objective criteria
noted in policy when revisiting such a decision.
o Only seminar and conferences that are primarily educational in
nature are funded by EEA. All others are funded thru business
expense or purchase order as appropriate.
To Distribution List: <deleted>
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2515.4 | Another one bites the dust | NOVA::SWONGER | Rdb Software Quality Engineering | Fri May 28 1993 09:50 | 5 |
| In other words, education assistance is no longer an employee
benefit. It now exists only to serve the business needs of the
company.
Roy
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2515.5 | | GSFSYS::MACDONALD | | Fri May 28 1993 10:13 | 18 |
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Re: .4
Yes, and what's worse:
> o If business requirements, the employee's job, or the employee's
> manager change, this could affect previously approved programs.
> However, managers would be expected to follow objective criteria
> noted in policy when revisiting such a decision.
In other words, funded or not, you have no commitment. It could be
funded one day and cancelled the next.
I would expect this policy to result in very few people seeking
advanced learning.
Steve
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2515.6 | don't like that sound I'm hearing | BOOKS::HAMILTON | All models are false; some are useful - Dr. G. Box | Fri May 28 1993 11:41 | 27 |
|
Do you hear the (faint, but rising) ringing of the death knell?
One of the things that always impressed me about this company
was its willingness to invest in the education of its employees.
That willingness was embodied in policies and procedures that
allowed local managers to determine whether they needed to
send an employee to a particular type of training, bolstered
by a philosophy that encouraged those managers to do so.
A justification for external training should be verbal and easy
to achieve, not bureaucratic and "analyzed" by nameless, faceless
committees.
I will be trying to attend the Visual Basic Technical Summit in
October in Boston. I am, nominally, a technical writer. I cannot
justify that expense based upon my job. However, I believe that
technical writing is metamorphosing into a profession that will
require ever increasing sophistication in the on-line delivery
of information. I further believe that Windows, as the lingua
franca of information exchange in the 1990s, will play a large part
in that delivery. How do I capture that in ROI terms?
Somehow, I think I'll be paying the $395.00 myself.
Glenn
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2515.7 | Hurting more than some think? | ANGLIN::SHEA | | Fri May 28 1993 12:09 | 18 |
| Just yesterday I had a conversation with a colleague about Digital's
health. He said that he'd start worrying when Digital saw fit to stop
the educational re-imbursement program, as a sign of deeper sickness than
generally known. I don't fully understand the practical impact of the
new policy stated a few notes back, but it seems to give the latitude
to have no effect, or to totally eliminate investments in education as
"discretionary". It seems to depend on how much support your manager
is willing to lend to a given request. Time, I think, will tell.
But the simple fact that education is under consideration for ROI
analysis, as nebulus as that may be, means that $$$ will be cut out as
the goal. So, are we really hurting that badly that we mortgage the
future by NOT developing our people, or is this just somebody's bad
idea? I hope the latter, and that better ideas will prevail. If its
the former, than I think the downsizing we're seen to date is really
just the beginning.
ts
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2515.8 | | GSFSYS::MACDONALD | | Fri May 28 1993 12:31 | 28 |
|
Recently there was short piece on ABC news about a small Ohio
company that a few years ago began an employee education program.
This program was both work-related and general. Employees took
technical stuff as well as general math and English. The company
owner arranged for the program right on site and paid the full
cost. All the employees were asked to do was invest the time.
Since that program was instituted the company has seen a reduction
in their products' defect rates to nearly zero.
A case in point, one operator on the manufacturing line was interviewed
and related how several years ago who was producing many defects in
part because there were frequent written ECOs, operational instructions,
etc. which he couldn't read. After some English and reading classes,
he now is not only very proud of his newly acquired reading ability
which is benefitting him personally in many ways, but his defect rate
is near zero specifically because of this training.
It is not uncommon in Japan for employees to be training and
development activities up to 20% of their time at work!
This is a very bad sign! I quite agree that this is evidence of
"deeper sickness." It's the proverbial pennywise and pound foolish
scenario.
Steve
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2515.9 | EDUCATION IS THE KEY TO THE FUTURE! | DPDMAI::AUTRY | | Fri May 28 1993 12:37 | 12 |
| I am currently enrolled in a MBA program in Finance. I work as a Sales
Rep selling Digitals MCS portfolio. The ability to provide financial
justification to customers is critical to selling intangibles. On
Tuesday my manager notified me that she was not going to support me in
my efforts to obtain an MBA and the justification she used was slanted
toward the Direction Digital is going with external training.
I had to drop the classes due to the high cost and my inability to
afford them at this time. Whell, all I can say is, ANOTHER BENEFIT
BITES THE DUST!!!
TLA
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2515.10 | all politics are local... | 36417::CHERSON | the door goes on the right | Fri May 28 1993 13:24 | 9 |
| The new policy seems to put the ball in your manager's court, i.e.,
it's now a local decision with ROI ramifications. So you could say
that external education has become another line of business.
But the other perspective is that Digital and other such companies can
not continue to replace the state in educational assistance. The
investment perspective rules from now on, rightly or wrongly.
/d.c.
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2515.11 | external eduaction | AKOCOA::SOKOLOWSKI_J | | Fri May 28 1993 13:39 | 7 |
| I asked for an interpertation from my personnel department and was told
that if you are already in a degree program, you may continue,
uninterupted. Those most effected will be employees who wish to begin
a degree program in the future. So the noter a couple back who had to
get out of the masters program for finance should speak to his
personnel department. He should be able to continue unles his manager
fully understood this and doesn't care.
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2515.12 | equation | VERGA::FRIEDMAN | | Fri May 28 1993 13:40 | 5 |
| Let's suppose that:
$100,000 training cut = 1 TFSO
Which is the better investment in this scenario?
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2515.13 | Sinking, not swimming ... | AUSTIN::UNLAND | Digitus Impudicus | Fri May 28 1993 18:14 | 23 |
| re: .10 manager's decision
> The new policy seems to put the ball in your manager's court, i.e.,
> it's now a local decision with ROI ramifications.
The added killer about this: How many of us still work for the same
manager as we did six months ago? How many of us will be working for
the same manager in six months? How many of us even know what our
manager looks like?
With the current organizational thrashing, there is no continuity of
management, no long-term committments, and no long-term career plan.
My manager just barely knows what his own fate will be; how can he
possibly be able to quantify the ROI for my education under these
circumstances? The short answer: He can't, so he won't.
Digital has ceased all investments in personnel. The company seems to
assume that, because we have an excess in the number of people, we also
have an excess of usuable skills and talents. Somehow they expect that
the company can "coast" and still expect to survive. I think this type
of behaviour will haunt us to the (rapidly approaching) corporate grave.
Geoff
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2515.14 | What is "SIGNED UP FOR DEGREE PROGRAM"? | CSOA1::TEATER | Fight the Good Fight | Sat May 29 1993 00:51 | 10 |
| I signed up (and just go reimbursed) for two university class. When I
filled out the paper work, I put in that I was after my bachelor in
computer science. Does this mean I am enrolled in a degree program AND
can continue through the entire program?
I send the above to my personel department and see what the response
is.
greg_t
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2515.15 | GEEP still robust | ELWOOD::KAPLAN | Larry Kaplan, DTN: 237-6872 | Tue Jun 01 1993 12:08 | 7 |
| GEEP continues to be alive and well. I'm sure scenarios where the GEEP
participant's job disappears while the participant is in residency must
be possible now.
Is GEEP a "safe place to hide" for two years ?
L.
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2515.16 | Must be officially accepted | PHAROS::FANTOZZI | | Tue Jun 01 1993 14:37 | 10 |
|
Signed up, I believe, is that you must be accepted into the degree
program by the college or university. I have been doing by B.S. and
will be finnished by this time next year, I have had no problems in
getting my courses paid for and signed off. My forms go to personnel so
if there was a major change I am sure they would bounce them back to
me.
Mary
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2515.17 | A pointer to someone who "knows"? | PASHIN::JOVAN | God abbrv: Goddess | Tue Jun 01 1993 18:06 | 13 |
| re: .11
Can you give me the name of the personnel person you spoke to? My
personnel rep says that even though I have been enrolled in a BA
program, the rest of my classes may not be approved, unless I can
tie them to DEC business goals.
I'd sure like a consistent answer on this stuff - can anyone point
me to someone who can help?
Thanks much
Angeline
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