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Conference 7.286::digital

Title:The Digital way of working
Moderator:QUARK::LIONELON
Created:Fri Feb 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5321
Total number of notes:139771

2475.0. "FireWalking" by CNTRLZ::WALTERS (Brian Walters. From a Nuclear Family) Tue Apr 27 1993 08:01

    On the way into work this morning I heard an interesting "Factioid" on
    the Local Atlanta talk radio.  I wanted to see if anyone else had any 
    information on this practice.
    
    The announcer said that several companies (HP, Xerox and Digital
    Equpment) were sending their upper level managemnet and sales people to
    firewalking seminars.  One comment was that maby the sales folk
    wouldn't have such a hard time making 'cold' calls now.
    
    Is there any truth to this?  Any sales folks out there been to a
    firewalking seminar?
    
    Thanks,
    
    Brian.
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2475.1That one has a beard already!TPSYS::BUTCHARTTNSG/Software PerformanceTue Apr 27 1993 08:5411
    re .0
    
    They're way behind the times (figures).  Firewalking was the big thing
    in "personal empowerment/development" type seminars a good couple of
    years ago.  I saw a number of articles in business and news magazines
    back then.  
    
    As long as you move quick, and the bed of coals isn't that long, its a
    snap, but DON'T stop to ask for directions in the middle!
    
    /Butch
2475.2:-)BOOKS::HAMILTONAll models are false; some are useful - Dr. G. BoxTue Apr 27 1993 11:405
    
    You walk right across the coals, then immediately into the
    Healing Forest.
    
    Glenn
2475.3Burning Wall Street JournalsGUIDUK::BERKUNQuestion RealityTue Apr 27 1993 13:424
    it was reported in the Wall Street Journal this morning.  Page B1.
    
    ken b
    
2475.4misquoteSOFBAS::SHERMANTue Apr 27 1993 21:339
    Actually, the story is incorrect.
    
    The companies named are sending their top people to classes in _bungee
    jumping plus_. The _plus_ is that it is done in teams: one person jumps
    after _another_ person on the team has tied the knots. This quickly
    leads to large teams that trust one another -- or smaller teams. Can't
    lose!
    
    
2475.5Why expendable people are needed.TPSYS::BUTCHARTTNSG/Software PerformanceTue Apr 27 1993 22:045
    re .4
    
    Excellent team building exercise!  Ummm - you first, ok?
    
    /Butch
2475.6SDSVAX::SWEENEYPatrick Sweeney in New YorkTue Apr 27 1993 22:197
    I was surprised that the article stated that we were "training" sales
    people.
    
    When we've laid off so many, I find it hard to believe that we're hired
    new ones that need to be trained.  If these are current sales people,
    such motivational training seems a non-sequitur to me, and a waste of
    time.
2475.7Its really a management problem..ZPOVC::MICHAELLEETue Apr 27 1993 22:447
    
    re: .-1
    
    Can't agree with you more. 
    
    Guess all the managers ought to be trained first to enhance their
    leadership potential.
2475.8WHOS01::BOWERSDave Bowers @WHOWed Apr 28 1993 12:115
    Actually, BP told a subordinate that he wanted him "to hold Sales's
    feet to the fire".  However, by the time it filtered down through the
    DEC bureaucracy, this is what came out ;^)
    
    \dave 
2475.9local paperMEMIT::SILVERBERG_MMark Silverberg MLO1-5/B98Thu Apr 29 1993 08:232
    firewalking story in the Boston Herald yesterday also
    
2475.10Gimmicks are impressive to non-tech'sCSC32::K_HYDEYes, we do windows -- CX03-2/J4 592-4181Fri Apr 30 1993 12:4317
    I took the Tony Robins course about 2 years ago while I was in Sales
    Support.  This was just before the lay-offs which led to my
    re-assignment to the CSC.
    
    The first day of class had an assignment to break a board.  We were
    tought the basics and then we did it.  I believe only 2 people out of
    perhaps 250 weren't able to do it.  It had a certain amount of value
    for the participant as well as a value as a gimmick.  
    
    The course is an acknowledged upscale course on selling.  The higher
    they go, the more they need an emotion-base gimmick to give quick
    differentiation of courses.  Until our sales force becomes more
    technical, we'll continue to be more impressed by those who teach real
    estate sales than by those who'd help us put our act together.
    
    
                                       Kurt
2475.11leap of faith?NAVY5::SDANDREAKramer is my hero...Fri Apr 30 1993 15:415
    I heard we were sending the folks to a "cordless" bungee jumping
    session; those that survive get to keep working for DEC....what a
    reward!
    
    8^)