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Conference 7.286::digital

Title:The Digital way of working
Moderator:QUARK::LIONELON
Created:Fri Feb 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
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2380.0. "What about offering to redo the White House?" by DNEAST::WIGHT_BRIAN () Sun Feb 21 1993 14:39

    Just a thought while reading the local paper.

    I read an article where our President and Staff are discouraged about
    the condition and age  of computers the White house is equipped with.

    Just a thought but wouldn't it be great publicity for DEC to offer to 
    donate the equipment and setup to redo the White house to an state of
    the art equipment/networks.

    I believe we would get more $$ in publicity then it would cost us to do it.


    		Just an idea

    				Brian   
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2380.1SDSVAX::SWEENEYPatrick Sweeney in New YorkSun Feb 21 1993 17:086
    There's a law which prevents specific gifts of this type to federal
    government agencies.  Any gift to any government agency goes to the
    Treasury or the General Services Administration.
    
    If the White House wants to automate, then they  will put out a Request
    for Proposal.
2380.2We just may have already "done" the White HouseSTAR::BECKPaul BeckSun Feb 21 1993 18:372
    Sounds like Clinton doesn't like ALL-IN-1 (which I've heard is used in
    the White House)...
2380.3VANINE::LOVELL� l'eau; c'est l'heureSun Feb 21 1993 19:3825
    re .2 - No I don't think it is ALL-IN-1 based - (anyone know for sure?)
    
    The article that I read mentioned that Clinton and his aides were
    totally gobsmacked to find that the White House had significantly less
    "Business Communication" technology than Clinton's campaign office had.
    
    Complaints are flying about the manual systems, paper based messages,
    antiquated manual phone exchange and and "re-keying" of data into
    computers that are not accessible to the Pres and his men.
    
    Regarding .1 - "the White House will issue an RFP" - are they bound
    to do this?  The article I read said that Clinton and his men are adept
    PC/paraphenalia users and were already starting to set up some LAN
    and wirelsess technology for e-mail and bulletin board/database type 
    services.   Maybe they're doing like our customers do and expensing
    the stuff?  :-)
    
    Anyway - no way should we donate it - we've got a really good
    Enterprise Messaging product set - let's get our Account Team fired up
    to go and *SELL* it to Mr. C. and his guys/gals.   I volunteer to
    handle the sale of the wide-area access from the Embassy in London :-)
    
    Tally-ho
    
    /Chris.
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LGP30::FLEISCHER "without vision the people perish " 80 lines  28-SEP-1992 11:58
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        This is certainly an interesting example of electronic
        information dissemination -- I welcome opposing examples,
        too!

        Bob
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Subject:  AUTOMATED CLINTON/GORE MAIL SERVICE
 
 Bill Clinton and Al Gore are committed to bringing all Americans 
 into the American political process -- for the good of our country.  
 At this critical time in our country's history it is imperative that 
 we all do everything in our power to make our system work.  
 
 We are happy to announce a new step forward in 21st century 
 democracy: We now have a mail server that will allow you, the 
 internet citizen, to receive on-line campaign documents and send 
 your comments and ideas back to us.
 

 To learn more, send mail to the automated Clinton/Gore mail server 
 
    [email protected]



 RECEIVE THE LATEST SPEECHES:
 
 If you send the Subject line "info speeches" to the mail server, 
 you will receive all the latest Clinton/Gore speeches as soon as 
 they come on-line.


 RECEIVE ALL AVAILABLE POSITION PAPERS:
 
 If you send the Subject line "info all" to the mail server at, 
 you will receive the full set of Clinton/Gore position papers.


 QUERY THE CANIDATES -- INTERNET POLL:
 
 If you have a question for Bill Clinton or Al Gore, then send your
 question to the mail server ("[email protected]")
 with the Subject line "question propose".  

 Send the Subject line "question get" to get the current numbered 
 list of questions.  

 Send the Subject line "question vote <X Y>" to vote for questions 
 number <X> and <Y>.  For example, you would send the SUBJECT line 
 "question vote 3" to vote for question number 3.

 Each week the questions with the most votes will be forwarded to 
 Little Rock.

 
 SEND YOUR SUGGESTIONS & COMMENTS

 If you have a suggestion for Bill Clinton or Al Gore, then send your
 suggestion to the mail server ("[email protected]")
 with the Subject line "suggest propose".  

 Send the Subject line "suggest get" to get the current numbered 
 list of suggestions.  

 Send the Subject line "suggest vote <a b c>" to vote for suggestions 
 number <a>, <b>, and <c>.  For example, you would send the Subject 
 line "suggest vote 18 4" to vote for suggestions 18 and 4.
 

 The questions, suggestions, and the campaign's responses will be 
 posted to the network.  You can help redistribute this and other 
 information by sending the Subject line "volunteer email distr" 
 to the mail server at

 [email protected]
 


 Clinton/Gore '92
 Volunteer Email Effort
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CURRENT ISSUES IN GOVERNMENTAL PUBLIC ACCESS E-MAIL
Bruce W. McConnell
Chief, Information Policy
U.S. Office of Management and Budget
February 18, 1993

NOTE: THE VIEWS EXPRESSED BELOW ARE THOSE OF THE AUTHOR, AND DO
NOT REPRESENT THE VIEWS OF THE OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET.


ISSUE:    How can the White House Public Access Electronic Mail
          service be advanced as quickly and successfully as
          possible?

Summary.  

This paper analyzes the issue and recommends a hybrid approach
that builds on work that has already been accomplished during the
campaign and the transition, ensures that this initiative occurs
in harmony with law and policy, uses expertise available in
Federal agencies, and provides for public input into its design.
This paper deals primarily with how best to acquire technology
and services.  It is followed by an Appendix that discusses
policy issues that need to be addressed.

Background.

The White House Office of Communications is establishing an
exciting new program that will allow the public to send
electronic mail to "the White House" for consideration and
response just like paper mail.  There is a near term requirement
to continue to respond to electronic mail that is coming in to
mailboxes established prior to January 20th.  This paper
addresses a longer term goal: to establish a system that
encourages easy public access and uses automation to direct
incoming mail to the appropriate respondent, either within the
White House or in a Federal agency.  At issue are the contractual
arrangements to ensure that these goals are achieved effectively
and expeditiously.  

During the campaign and transition, MIT's Artificial Intelligence
Laboratory, Symbolics, Inc., and other firms, as part of a unique
research project in computers and political science, provided
technical assistance to bring up a sophisticated electronic mail
service.   During the campaign, this service was provided on a
non-partisan basis to five major candidates.  It was continued
after the election for the President-Elect.  Information was
distributed by MIT simultaneously to a variety of commercial
information services (e.g. Compuserve, America OnLine, MCI,
Prodigy) ensuring each was treated fairly.  Information was
further disseminated by volunteers through distribution lists and
"net news" on the Internet.  In addition, Compuserve and America
OnLine provided the campaigns with electronic mail boxes.  MIT is
continuing work to develop software and systems to support a more
full-blown system.  MIT has a proven track record and is eager to
cooperate, and has offered to set up an electronic mail address
for the White House.

Continued reliance by the Government on MIT and Symbolics and on
freely provided commercial network services from any particular
vendor raises appearance and procurement issues.  Ideally, a
White House electronic mail address should look to the public
like an official government address.  Use of alternate addressing
schemes raises appearance issues.  MIT has proposed to use the
".org" domain for the White House mailbox.  This name is
ordinarily reserved for not-for-profit organizations.  Businesses
and government agencies are not permitted to use that domain
name.  The ".com" domain is reserved for commercial users--
businesses and individuals who buy services from a commercial
network service, such as Compuserve.  Government users typically
have an Internet address in the ".gov" domain.  Use of a domain
address other than ".gov" by the White House would be confusing
to the public.  In addition, an address such as
"[email protected]" gives no indication that the address
belongs to the White House and is difficult to remember.

The procurement issues are more significant.  Internet services
for government agencies are provided under competitively awarded
contracts or cooperative agreements by a variety of private
sector providers.  General purpose X.400 electronic mail service
is provided by competitively awarded General Services
Administration (GSA) contracts with Sprint and AT&T.  The
Executive Office of the President's Office of Administration
(EOP/OA), which provides computer support to the White House, is
required by law to use these arrangements.  Both the Internet and
the GSA contracts are already highly visible in industry and in
Congress.  Given this visibility, and the high profile of
anything the White House does, success of this effort depends on
all actions being conducted in full sunlight and adhering to
legal and regulatory requirements. 

Roles of Government Agencies Outside the White House

Two components of the current program need restructuring to bring
them into conformance with Federal law and policy -- the research
component and the service component.  For a variety of reasons it
would be useful to make use of the expertise and capabilities in
other Federal agencies to bring about this restructuring.

On the research side, as part of the High Performance Computing
and Communications Initiative (HPCCI), a large number of Federal
agencies, including the National Science Foundation (NSF), the
Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA), the National
Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA), and the Department
of Energy, are funding research on high-bandwidth technologies
and sophisticated applications that require them.  One of these
agencies could explore ways to continue the arrangements with MIT
for the short term.  For the longer term, one of them, perhaps
NSF, could coordinate a solicitation of grant proposals for
future research.

Continuation of technical arrangements with MIT would need to be
handled carefully.  In particular, it would be important to
ensure that MIT did not disqualify itself from bidding on future
competitions by creating an organizational conflict of interest,
and that the playing field for future competitions remained
level.

On the service side, GSA's "FTS 2000" contracts with Sprint and
AT&T provide low cost, government-wide long distance services,
including electronic mail, to Federal agencies.  The system
provides a gateway to the Internet, and is consistent with
Federal regulations requiring use of international X.400
standards.  Most Federal agencies are already moving rapidly to
establish X.400 mailboxes under a pilot program sponsored by the
Office of Management and Budget (OMB).  In addition, as noted
earlier, Internet services can be acquired through a variety of
commercial vendors.  

Advantages of the GSA contract include ease of ordering service,
commercial-grade security and reliability, and low prices. 
Disadvantages include lack of File Transfer Protocol (FTP)
service for Internet use and complex X.400 addressing.  A direct
Internet connection improves addressing and allows FTP, but
creates security risks and raises standards issues.  Over the
next several months, GSA could work with other Federal agencies
to provide secure, robust service to the White House that uses a
mix of Internet and X.400 services.  

Conclusion.  

A hybrid approach is recommended that draws upon the resources of
several different Federal agencies to establish the White House
Public Access electronic mail program.  The first step is to
create a program plan with milestones.  Issues such as those in
the Appendix which follows need to be considered as part of that
plan.   




APPENDIX: Policy Considerations on Creating
          an Electronic Mail System


Electronic mail is rapidly becoming an indispensable tool of
government.  Agencies use it routinely to communicate with their
employees and with other agencies.  More and more, innovative
agencies are using electronic mail to conduct virtually every
kind of public business they now carry out using telephones,
paper or facsimile. 

While this service is on its way to becoming ubiquitous, no
central policy or set of governing procedures cover its use,
primarily because electronic mail has many characteristics.  It
can be seen as an official record, a private communication, an
automated transaction, etc.  It is also important to note that,
unlike private sector use of electronic mail, governmental use is
affected by many different laws and regulations, each of which
should be considered in implementing an electronic mail system.  

This paper discusses six kinds of electronic mail policy
considerations that officials of the Executive Office of the
President (EOP) should address:

     -  Records Management

     -  Privacy;

     -  Security;

     -  Permissable Use; 

     -  Organizational, Social and Ethical Impacts.

It is not meant to be a comprehensive listing of legal and
regulatory requirements.  Employees should be notified of
policies in each of these areas.  As noted below, the laws which
apply to Federal agencies do not always apply to all agencies of
the Executive Office of the President.  When possible, the issues
discussed below should be considered and built in during the
design of the system.

RECORDS MANAGEMENT

[NB:  This is a very volatile area of law.  Before proceeding,
officials should familiarize themselves with the two Armstrong
cases (Armstrong v. Bush, 721 F. Supp. 343, DDC 1989; and
Armstrong v. Executive Office of the President, Civil Action No.
89-142, DDC January 6, 1993) and ongoing litigation.]

The Federal Records Act (FRA) (44 USC 2101-2118, 2901-2910, 3101-
3107,3301-3324) requires agencies to document their official
business and maintain records according to records schedules.  It
states:

The head of each agency shall make and preserve records
containing adequate and proper documentation of the
organization, functions, policies, decisions,
procedures, and essential transactions of the agency
and designed to furnish the information necessary to
protect the legal and financial rights of the
Government and of persons directly affected by the
agency's activities. (44 USC 3101)

The FRA defines "records" as:

     all books, papers, maps, photographs, or other documentary
     materials, regardless of physical form or characteristics,
     made or received by an agency of the United States
     Government under Federal law or in connection with the
     transaction of public business... (44 USC 3301)

In the EOP, most agencies create "records" under the FRA and must
comply with its requirements.  However, some offices, especially
the White House Office and the Office of the Vice President, do
not.  The FRA says that records

created or received by [these offices] whose function
is to advise and assist the President, in the course of
conducting activities which relate to or have an effect
upon the carrying out of the constitutional, statutory,
or other official or ceremonial duties of the President

are covered by the Presidential Records Act (PRA). (44 USC 2201
et seq.)  The PRA requires documentation of the official business
of the Presidency, including records documenting political
activities, but does not cover personal records of the President
"of a purely private or nonpublic character."  

In the mixed environment of the EOP, some of its agencies may
create (or receive) both "Federal records" and "Presidential
records," such as the National Security Council or the Office of
Management and Budget.  Development of an electronic mail system
should take this environment into consideration.


The following are some records management issues to consider:

*    Because official agency business will be conducted over
     electronic mail systems, the real issue is how to ensure
     that the recordkeeping requirements of the PRA and the FRA
     are met.  Thus, if it is determined that electronic mail
     will not be used as the official record of an agency action,
     then employees should be instructed how to record official
     business which is transacted over the system.  This policy
     should be coupled with training of EOP officials as to what
     constitutes a record.  
     
 *   If any of the electronic messages created or sent on the
     system are records under either the PRA or the FRA, then an
     agency must secure the records against loss or alteration,
     and must schedule the records according to National Archives
     and Records Administration (NARA) directives for archiving
     and possible permanent preservation.  A system for
     identifying and discarding non-record material should be
     developed.  Special consideration should be given to
     preserving the privacy of the President and employees whose
     unofficial personal messages may be commingled with Federal
     or Presidential records.

*    While for most agencies, a very small proportion of Federal
     records are deemed by the National Archives to have enduring
     value, for the agencies of the EOP, the opposite is true.

*    The Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) (5 USC 552) requires
     disclosure of Federal records when a request is received
     from the public, with certain exceptions.  Any Federal
     record, as defined by the FRA, is subject to the FOIA.  The
     FOIA may also apply to documents not considered records
     under the FRA (e.g. an individual's preliminary draft of a
     document, or office chronological files).  However, the FOIA
     does not apply to Presidential records.  Separation of
     Federal records and Presidential records is required to
     prevent inadvertent disclosure of Presidential records under
     FOIA.

 *   If records created or received on electronic mail are
     retained in electronic form, they should be logically
     separated into "folders" or groups of messages.  Each folder
     should contain only records from the same activity or on the
     same subject.  Contents should be purged or copied to
     storage media periodically, in accordance with approved
     agency records schedules.  Storage media should be properly
     labeled, indexed and preserved to ensure electronic mail
     records are available and accessible.  The establishment of
     naming conventions, and labeling with the title of the data,
     dates of use, originating office, software and equipment on
     which data were produced, and access restrictions greatly
     enhances the ability to use the records later.

 *   Accounting and audit systems have more specific requirements
     for documenting financial decisions, such as maintenance of
     drafts.  If financial decision-making is carried out over an
     electronic mail system, documents should conform to General
     Accounting Office and Treasury requirements.

 *   Electronic decision documents for final signature should
     have the electronic equivalent of signoff sheets, including
     dates of signing.  Drafts reflecting substantive changes
     should be maintained showing dates and officials who made
     changes.  ("Managing Electronic Records," National Archives
     and Records Administration, 1990)

 *   Back-up, search, and retention capabilities should be built
     into the system from the design stages.


PRIVACY 

The Privacy Act of 1974 (5 USC 552a) grants certain access and
amendment rights to individuals for records about themselves
maintained by agencies.  It also requires agencies to maintain
only accurate, relevant, timely, and complete records and to
protect them from unauthorized disclosure.  The Electronic
Communications Privacy Act (18 USC 2701 et seq.) makes
unauthorized access or disclosure of electronic mail a crime. 
Individuals also have Constitutional rights of privacy. 

The following are privacy issues which should be considered when
creating a policy on electronic mail:

 *   The retrieving of records by an individual's name triggers
     the access, amendment and due process rights of the Privacy
     Act.  These individuals could be agency employees, employees
     of other agencies, members of the public who correspond with
     the agency, or subjects of a message.  This retrieval by
     name also imposes requirements on record keepers to issue
     notice in the Federal Register; to maintain accurate,
     timely, relevant, and complete records; to protect the
     records from unauthorized disclosure; and to make an
     accounting of record disclosures other than those made
     within an agency or under the Freedom of Information Act. 
     Note that while the White House Office and Office of the
     Vice President, for example, are exempt from the Privacy Act
     because they are not "agencies" within its meaning,
     Presidential records are not per se exempt. A record
     originating in the Vice President's Office and sent to the
     Office of Administration (OA), for example, would be covered
     by the Privacy Act while in the control of OA.    

 *   Confidentiality must be maintained when information about
     individuals is transmitted over the system by employees who
     work with Privacy Act records in their daily work.

 *   Access to an employee's electronic mail by an employer is a
     potentially contentious area that should be directly
     addressed.  Choices range from treating all electronic mail
     as accessible at any time, to limiting access to particular
     circumstances when such access is necessary.  For example,
     access may be necessary during a business crisis if an
     employee is absent when information is required, for
     administrative reasons such as gathering usage statistics or
     addressing system problems, or for law enforcement.  In any
     case, it is important to notify the employee in advance of
     what the rules are.  An employee may have the right to
     advance notice of the monitoring, due process when an
     adverse action is initiated, or access to and amendment of
     records created by the monitoring.

 *   If monitoring is to be carried out, it should be done in the
     least intrusive way possible to acquire the required
     information.  Usage statistics, for example, may only
     require the date and time stamps of messages, rather than
     the sender and recipients' names.  Fixing a mailbox may only
     require gathering header information, rather than the entire
     contents of messages.  Intrusive monitoring may have a
     "chilling effect" on usage of the system.


SECURITY

The important and sensitive nature of the business conducted by
the EOP requires that the information systems which support it be
secure.  The systems used to create, transmit, and store
electronic mail must thus be designed to ensure the appropriate
security -- i.e., the confidentiality, integrity, and
availability -- of electronic mail information.  

While electronic mail dramatically improves the ability to
exchange information quickly and widely, it also creates new
vulnerabilities.  As with most information systems, internal
threats, such as the misuse or release of sensitive information
by employees, create the greater risk, because authorized users
have much better access to automated information.  For this
reason, the Computer Security Act of 1987 (Public Law 100-235)
emphasizes training and awareness programs for Federal employees
and contractors who use Federal computer systems.  That Act also
requires sensitive information in Federal computer systems to be
protected commensurate with the potential risk and harm to the
agency from the loss, misuse, or unauthorized alteration or
disclosure of the information.  

While eliminating some of the security concerns of paper-based
systems, electronic mail systems also introduce vulnerabilities
which should be considered when systems are designed.  Examples
include:

 *   Access:  The electronic link to external computers or
     electronic mail servers must prevent unauthorized, direct
     access to an agency computer.  Digital files coming from
     outside the system should be checked for worms or viruses.

 *   Federal computer systems provide an attractive target.  (A
     Harpers article contained the suggestion that it is a
     citizen's duty to break into the White House computer system
     if he or she suspects criminal activity in the White House.) 
     Such unauthorized access is itself a criminal offense under
     the Counterfeit Access Device and Computer Fraud and Abuse
     Act of 1984. (18 USC 1030)

 *   Authenticity:  The system should not allow the ability to
     send mail in the name of someone else, or to alter mail
     before being resent.   

 *   Integrity:  Record copies of messages must be protected from
     alteration.  

 *   Availability:  Electronic mail systems must be protected
     from power outages and system crashes, and backup systems
     must be provided in case of failure during key use periods.

 *   Confidentiality:  Users should be trained to exercise
     caution so as not to send or forward messages to persons who
     should not receive them.  A few inadvertent keystrokes
     (e.g., sending the wrong file) may mistakenly release
     sensitive information to the wrong recipients.

Each of these risks should be evaluated in the context of the
specific electronic mail system.  Safeguards and detection
procedures must be established.  Prevention must be practiced. 
Recovery plans must be put in place in the event of unanticipated
incidents.


PERMISSIBLE USE

The Federal Information Resource Management Regulation (41 CFR
201-21.6) prohibits the use of government telecommunications
systems for other than official business.  Sound management
practice also suggests that agency policy should make clear who
may use an agency's electronic mail system and what kinds of
activities are authorized.  

 *   Some agencies may choose to allow contractors or the public
     to use the system, while others may prohibit anyone but an
     agency employee from access.  

 *   An agency should consider which incidental uses of the
     system are authorized.  It may prohibit all non-official
     uses of its system, but this may make some activities less
     efficient and more cumbersome, such as leaving phone
     messages, or making lunch appointments.  (Certain incidental
     uses of government telecommunications systems have been
     authorized by the General Services Administration.)

 *   It may also be appropriate to establish "etiquette"
     guidelines, such as the procedure to follow when in receipt
     of mail intended for others, or limiting use of features
     which allow "snooping" on coworkers.  The system should not
     be used to satisfy someone's idle curiosity about another
     employee's affairs.

 *   Any penalties for violating the permissible use policy
     should be public, equitably imposed, and include due process
     protections for alleged violators.


ORGANIZATIONAL, SOCIAL AND ETHICAL IMPACTS

The use of electronic mail to communicate within an organization
and with others may introduce new efficiency and productivity,
increase morale, and allow creativity and innovation to flourish. 
However, various unintended consequences may result as
individuals are connected electronically to each other and to
extra-agency or extra-governmental organizations.  These issues
should be explored more thoroughly and anticipated when adopting
electronic mail in any organization.  The following are just
three of many types of issues that should be considered in this
area.

 *   Disclosure of White House electronic mail, even though not
     subject to the Privacy Act, may be unwise.  Correspondence
     to or from the White House is not subject to the Freedom of
     Information Act, and would not normally be available to the
     general public.  Ethical considerations dictate that
     individuals who write to the White House should be notified
     if their correspondence would be the subject of research or
     be read by other than the intended recipient or office, yet
     there is no reliable way to notify these individuals in
     advance.  Many academic institutions have "human subjects
     research" standards requiring written consent and the
     ability to withdraw from the research.  These standards may
     be difficult to meet in a free-wheeling electronic
     environment open to the general public.

 *   The electronic mailboxes of agency heads and other high
     officials should be protected from being inundated with
     mail, for example, by creating a "private" mailbox for them.

 *   Absent affirmative actions, electronic mail is used only by
     people who have a computer readily available.  The users are
     not representative of the citizenry at large, and public
     electronic mail could lead to inequities in access to
     government.
2380.6White House uses PROFSSDSVAX::SWEENEYPatrick Sweeney in New YorkSun Feb 21 1993 20:4217
    The wide usage of ALL-IN-1 by the White House is an offical Digital
    urban legend.  The MAIL system used by the White House is IBM PROFS.
    Bob Wyman, one of the ALL-IN-1 creators, wrote about it in DEC_HISTORY
    145.10 as being used in the White House, but I recall it was a
    short-lived pilot and never referenceable.  Bob Wyman and the rest of
    the original ALL-IN-1/CP-OSS SWS employees appear to be no longer
    working at Digital at any rate.
    
    The existence of backup tapes of deleted PROFS messages was a critical
    aspect of the Iran-Contra prosecution.
    
    If the White House wants to obtain the assistance of a contractor to
    revamp their computing systems, then they will need to issue an RFP.
    
    If the White House staff wants to buy a few copies of shrink-wrapped
    cc:mail or Microsoft Windows for Workgroups and "do it yourself" then
    there will be no RFP.
2380.7Mea culpa urbana legendaSTAR::BECKPaul BeckSun Feb 21 1993 22:204
    Rats. Now you'll tell me that the sick boy who wants all the postcards
    covered with blue stars with LSD under them who was kidnapped from a
    department store dressing room where he was lobbying for an end to the
    FCC ruling to tax all modems is also an urban legend?
2380.8They used to use DECmail...NYAAPS::CORBISHLEYDavid Corbishley 321-5128Mon Feb 22 1993 09:043
YEARS ago they used DECmail.  I remember that Rick Shaw left Digital to work at
the White House on this in the early-mid 80's.  I haven't talked to him since so
I don't have a current status.
2380.9AXEL::FOLEYRebel without a ClueMon Feb 22 1993 10:515

	Bob Wyman now works at Microsoft..

							mike
2380.10For the recordMIMS::BEKELE_DMy Opinions are MINE, MINE, all MINE!Mon Feb 22 1993 10:5210
    
    The White House not only has ALL-IN-1 (I dunno whether they
    still have PROFS or the extent they use it) they are also 
    TeamLinks users.  
    
    How do I know? I support ALL-IN-1 at the CSC and have talked
    to Jim Wright - Systems Manager, Executive Office To The President, 
    a number of times.
    
    dan
2380.11CSC32::E_ALSBERGMon Feb 22 1993 11:3711
    Plus I have seen a photo of George Bush sitting at an AllIn1 screen...
    
    I also have a few Washington accounts from the CSC.  I had Executive
    Office of the President for a while, but in this case it was a Microvax
    doing budget graphs.  They have since gone to PC based packages.
    
    I have the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence (no jokes...).
    The system manager there told me that her VAX was directly involved
    in some missing Ollie North corespondence.  
    
    /Ed
2380.12FORTSC::CHABANPray for Peter Pumpkinhead!Mon Feb 22 1993 12:427
    
    Re: RFP
    
    It'll be wired for SGI ;-)
    
    -Ed
    
2380.15Bush used a 386 SXCSOA1::PROIEMon Feb 22 1993 16:047
    FWIW, I very clearly remember reading in one of the PC magazines last
    year an article about the current state of PC technology in the White
    House.  They did not talk about the larger (server?) systems, but the
    computer that George Bush used for mail and word
    processing was reported to be a 386-SX 20mhz system.
    
    Wayne
2380.16EOP is not the White HouseSWAMPD::ZIMMERMANNMark @ COP, dtn 339-5318Mon Feb 22 1993 16:255
The Executive Office of the President does use ALL-IN-1, but that is not
the same as the White House (different buildings).  It's not my account,
but it is supported by my account group.

Mark
2380.17SPECXN::BLEYMon Feb 22 1993 17:345
    The EOP also has an LPS40 that is used to print responses from
    the president.  
    
    On $3.00 a page paper!!!!
    
2380.18Phanton speaks (or tries to).A1VAX::GUNNI couldn&#039;t possibly commentMon Feb 22 1993 17:435
    re .6
    
    Apparently "Official Digital urban legends" are capable of raising
    CLD's, which happened last week. I think I will ask them to close it on
    the basis they don't exist. 
2380.19Yes, ALL-IN-1 did manage the President's scheduleXELENT::MUTHNowhere to go, 5 min. to get thereTue Mar 02 1993 12:3912
    As of Summer '92, ALL-IN-1 was in use at the White House.  A fellow in
    our group spent some time there doing customizations to make ALL-IN-1
    feel more like PROFS. He even wrote customizations so that printouts of
    the President's schedule looked exactly like those generated by PROFS.
    They weren't complicated at all; a simple one or two page schedule in
    Courier font, but they wanted everything (i.e. columns, date location,
    etc.) exactly the same as before.  Apparently the woman using the
    system worked in the White House for 20+ years, and wasn't about to
    learn a new system.  

    Bill
2380.20I think the little old lady has leftGUCCI::HERBAl is the *first* nameTue Mar 02 1993 13:253
    And of course we've recently seen Clinton sporting around with the CEOs
    of Apple & SGI. The "computer system" I understand is one of those
    "old" things they want to upgrade/replace.
2380.21heard from another at your nodeLGP30::FLEISCHERwithout vision the people perish (381-0899 ZKO2-2/T63)Tue Mar 02 1993 13:4215
re Note 2380.20 by GUCCI::HERB:

>     And of course we've recently seen Clinton sporting around with the CEOs
>     of Apple & SGI. The "computer system" I understand is one of those
>     "old" things they want to upgrade/replace.
  
        The current ALL-IN-1 system, so I'm told, is on a cluster
        that's "saturated."  The previous administration was about to
        approve a major upgrade when the transition struck and the
        upgrade was put on hold.  The new administration would prefer
        a PC-based system -- TeamLinks will be demonstrated to them
        this week, I believe, in an effort to get a new upgrade
        contract.

        Bob