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Conference 7.286::digital

Title:The Digital way of working
Moderator:QUARK::LIONELON
Created:Fri Feb 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5321
Total number of notes:139771

2254.0. "product defect rumour" by ODIXIE::RHARRIS (The deerhuntermeistersupreme) Tue Dec 01 1992 19:50

    I just finished watching the NBR on PBS, and they stated tonight
    that DEC stock dropped today due to rumors of a product defect.
    
    Does anyone know in specific what they were referring to?  Was it
    in reference to Alpha product line?  Was it just rumour?
    
    Someone who knows the facts, please respond.
    
    bob
    
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2254.1MIPS I Think...FORTSC::CHABANPray for Peter Pumpkinhead!Tue Dec 01 1992 20:1312
    
    Is suspect that it is in response to some old news here in Silly-Con
    valley.  A local TV station here broke a story about how some
    researcher at Stanford discovered a bug in the floating point hardware
    on the high-end MIPS machines.  For some reason, MIPS/SGI are
    unaffected.
    
    How much you wanna bet our friends at HP and Sun gave the TV station
    the lead?
    
    -Ed_in_Santa_Clara
    
2254.2This is a very public problemPOCUS::HUSTONTue Dec 01 1992 22:318
    Unfortunately it's true but fortunately DEC is forthright about this
    one. Two of my customers have already received notices that the
    floating point processor on DECsystem 5000-240 and 5900's delivered
    before August 1992 must be replaced. The memo from DEC is very clear - 
    there is no option but to replace, although you have little exposure if
    you do no floating point operations.
    
    dh
2254.3Conference PointerSDSVAX::SWEENEYPatrick Sweeney in New YorkTue Dec 01 1992 22:581
    Disscused in SUBWAY::DIGITAL_INVESTING
2254.4AOSG::NORDLINGERTo reach the unreachable STAR::Wed Dec 02 1992 07:393
    Wow, when it rains it poors, our luck has *got* to get better!
    
    John
2254.5Rumors of reportsTPSYS::BUTCHARTTNSG/Software PerformanceWed Dec 02 1992 07:558
    According to a short article in the stock market section of the Boston
    Globe, our stock dropped on a rumor of an analysts report that there
    were problems in the Alpha chip.  No such report ever materialized, and
    the article quoted unnamed sources as saying the rumor originated from
    some short sellers trying to trigger a drop so they could make some money
    off Monday's run-up.
    
    /Butch
2254.6RUSURE::EDPAlways mount a scratch monkey.Wed Dec 02 1992 08:316
    If there is a bug in some Mips chip, why the hell haven't engineers in
    the Ultrix kernel group been informed so we can prepare a software
    work-around?  
    
    
    				-- edp
2254.7No wonder my benefits don't add up!SPESHR::BENOITLife is just a cherra bowliesWed Dec 02 1992 08:487
    
    We have had problems with floating point ever since the 11780 in
    various machines. Engineering's response is that you can't test every
    combination of every formula and every calculation. So I guess the
    bottom line is - let the customer find the problem.

    Peter
2254.8SUBWAY::CATANIAMike C. �-�Wed Dec 02 1992 10:006
.3 

How about a note number!!


- Mike
2254.910.320CSOADM::ROTHCall off your goons, I give up!Wed Dec 02 1992 10:275
re: .3, .8

Try starting at note number above in DIGITAL_INVESTING.

Lee
2254.10SPESHR::KEARNSWed Dec 02 1992 13:088
    
    re: .7
    
    	Can you back this up. Have we had problems in every single FPU? And
    even if we did what would be your recommended solution given time to
    market constraints?
    
    - Jim K
2254.11QUARK::LIONELFree advice is worth every centWed Dec 02 1992 16:1110
The DECstation problem is not new; indeed it was known back in March.  The
problem occurs with only certain boards; it is timing and data dependent.
I don't believe there's anything that ULTRIX could do to work around it.
A diagnostic is in place in manufacturing to identify bad boards (though
it is not 100% effective according to the DEC Fortran developer who created
it.)  Customers have been made aware of the problem.

Anyway, this had nothing to do with the stock drop.

				Steve
2254.12Decstation detailsPOCUS::HUSTONWed Dec 02 1992 16:227
    .11 is right.
    
    DS5000-240/5900 problem is not related at all to stock drop. It's not
    entire line, just 40MHz cpu's. Sales Update Flash #735 points you to
    note 4335.0 in DWT notes file for technical description.
    
    dh
2254.14who's that looking over my shoulder?ODIXIE::RHARRISThe deerhuntermeistersupremeThu Dec 03 1992 08:0111
    attention .13, if you read the FIRST sentence in the base note, it
    states the word rumour.
    
    Also, there is a sentence that states, please respond with FACTS.
    
    me paranoid, nahh.
    
    I am asking for facts, that's all.
    
    bob
    
2254.15From yesterday's WSJVINO::FLEMMINGHave XDELTA, will travelThu Dec 03 1992 09:3912
The sale of some large blocks of Digital Equipment's stock also hammered its
share price, which ended down 1 1/4 to 33. Trading in Digital's shares was
halted for an order imbalance in the morning. Traders attributed the blocks
to the sale of shares by employees who bought the shares as part of a
periodic employee stock purchase program. The company said, however, that
the employee selling didn't account for the heavy volume of trading in its
stock. Digital emphatically denied unsubstantiated rumors of problems with
its Alpha computers, attributed to unnamed traders at the start of the session
[probably traders that had shorted the stock as a result of the runup Monday].
The company insisted there was no news to account for the volume and
attributed the move to two blocks offered at the opening. It also noted that
it was up 2 on Monday, also in heavy trading.