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| 2153.1 | This is in LIVEWIRE as well | CVG::THOMPSON | Radical Centralist | Fri Oct 09 1992 11:45 | 4 | 
|  | 	The LIVEWIRE article is almost word for word the same as the
	memo in .0. 
				Alfred
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| 2153.2 |  | UTROP1::SIMPSON_D | $SH QUO: You have -1 miracles left! | Mon Oct 12 1992 12:02 | 1 | 
|  |     Dick Poulson is no Pierre Carlo Falotti.
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| 2153.3 | Delighted for Strecker as well | IW::WARING | Silicon,*Software*,Services | Mon Oct 12 1992 12:48 | 4 | 
|  | Dick used to be Field Service Manager in Europe (and Bobby was Tony James'
boss in the late '70s early '80s). He's certainly got a reputation for
being impatient with slow progress...
								- Ian W.
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| 2153.4 |  | ULYSSE::WADE |  | Mon Oct 12 1992 13:38 | 8 | 
|  | 
 <<< Note 2153.2 by UTROP1::SIMPSON_D "$SH QUO: You have -1 miracles left!" >>>
    Dick Poulson is no Pierre Carlo Falotti.
	I think you meant to refer to Pierre-Carleau?
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| 2153.5 | similar persona's as BP | CTHQ::COADY |  | Mon Oct 12 1992 14:15 | 7 | 
|  |     
    I hear that both the European and GIA VP's are competant, bottom line
    numbers ( $$$$) people.    Maybe they will help the company establish a
    successful 'present' state, while Strecker et al, work for future
    goals.
    
    
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| 2153.6 |  | WR1FOR::LEZAMA_RO |  | Mon Oct 12 1992 17:17 | 14 | 
|  |     When my account had some problems in the GIA geography I called on Dick
    Poulsen for assistance.  He flew to California to meet with his
    counterpart and conducted himself with a high degree of credibility and
    professionalism.  He left with several action items which he followed
    up on immediately on his return east.  
    
    He responded to me and he responded to my customer.  
    We were both impressed.
    
    One thing that surprised me was that he came here alone.  I expected
    him to have several of his entourage with him but he was a one man
    show.
    
    I personally think this is GIA's loss and Eurpoe's gain.
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| 2153.7 |  | UTROP1::SIMPSON_D | $SH QUO: You have -1 miracles left! | Tue Oct 13 1992 05:57 | 5 | 
|  |     Having worked in GIA for some years my impression of Poulson is exactly
    the opposite.  AS far as I'm concerned he's a typical Digital VP hack. 
    Falotti, on the other hand, had a vision.  You don't have to agree with
    visionaries but you have to respect their achievements.  Falotti made
    things happen for Europe.  Poulson presided over GIA's decline.
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| 2153.8 | I find it discouraging | LGP30::FLEISCHER | without vision the people perish (381-0899 ZKO3-2/T63) | Tue Oct 13 1992 23:05 | 12 | 
|  | re Note 2153.0:
> BILL STRECKER TO HEAD ENGINEERING, 
        I read this as a vote of confidence for engineering as it has
        been conducted (in general) over the past few years.
        I know that, in conversations with colleagues recently, none
        of use even considered Strecker a likely candidate for
        Engineering VP.
        Bob
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| 2153.9 |  | SUBURB::THOMASH | The Devon Dumpling | Mon Oct 19 1992 08:00 | 10 | 
|  | >    Falotti, on the other hand, had a vision.  You don't have to agree with
>    visionaries 
	Oh yes, and the vision 
	"we don't need women on the board because we all have one at home"
	You're right, I don't agree with him.
	Heather
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| 2153.10 |  | BONNET::BONNET::SIREN |  | Mon Oct 19 1992 08:08 | 7 | 
|  |     re .9
    
    ...but lots of managers in Europe seem to agree...
    
    --Ritva
    
    Btw. I don't.
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| 2153.11 | Please don't make sweeping generalisations ! | CHEFS::HEELAN | Arbol�, arbol�... seco y verde | Mon Oct 19 1992 10:11 | 7 | 
|  |     re .9
    
    ......but lots of managers in Europe (also) seem (not) to agree...
    
    - John
    
    
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| 2153.12 |  | SUBURB::THOMASH | The Devon Dumpling | Mon Oct 19 1992 11:02 | 15 | 
|  | >     <<< Note 2153.11 by CHEFS::HEELAN "Arbol�, arbol�... seco y verde" >>>
>               -< Please don't make sweeping generalisations ! >-
>
>    re .9
 
	This was not a sweeping generalisation,
	it was a direct quote from Pierre Carlo
	Which, not only did I disagree with, but I thought showed a great
	lack of judgement.
	It is definately specific.
	Heather
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| 2153.13 |  | BONNET::BONNET::SIREN |  | Mon Oct 19 1992 12:05 | 8 | 
|  |     re .11
    
    My comment was a generalization. On the other hand, I have looked
    around and not seen very many female managers in Europe. It is
    what people are doing that counts, not what they say.
    
    --Ritva
    
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| 2153.14 | An interesting relationship... | MLNOIS::HARBIG | Riempendo di vuoto il nulla. | Mon Oct 19 1992 12:06 | 4 | 
|  |     Since the owner and founder of ASK is a woman he'll probably
    have to revise his philosophy :-).
    
    Max
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| 2153.15 | Ooops ! | CHEFS::HEELAN | Arbol�, arbol�... seco y verde | Mon Oct 19 1992 12:39 | 10 | 
|  |     re Heather
    
    Sorry, finger problems replied to .9 and not .10
    
    re Ritva
    
    Check out the UK: there are many managers and supervisors who are
    female.
    
    John
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| 2153.17 |  | CHEFS::HEELAN | Arbol�, arbol�... seco y verde | Mon Oct 19 1992 13:49 | 1 | 
|  |     Q.E.D.
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| 2153.16 |  | ASICS::LESLIE | See ASICS""::andyleslie.gif | Mon Oct 19 1992 17:14 | 1 | 
|  |     Heather is a Manager in the UK...........
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| 2153.18 | There are exceptions | BONNET::BONNET::SIREN |  | Mon Oct 19 1992 18:09 | 8 | 
|  |     Just to clarify the situation ;^). I was a female manager too. I changed to
    international consultancy on my own free will. As a consultant I have
    a good change to make observations. I still don't see women very often in
    management positions whatever is the reason.
    
    --Ritva
    
    
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| 2153.19 |  | SUBURB::THOMASH | The Devon Dumpling | Tue Oct 20 1992 04:38 | 16 | 
|  | 	I'm an IT consultant, and part of a management team, I am no longer a 
	manger of people, but manage an area of business, and also deliver IT
	consultancy in that area.
	The others in the management team manage people as well as an area of 
	the business and delivery, 3 are female, two are male, and our manager 
	is female.   
	So, of a management team of 7, 5 are female and 2 are male.
	I don't think that this is the norm, however in my time in Digital, it's
	not that rare either.
	End of rathole, back to normal service.
	Heather
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| 2153.20 |  | ULYSSE::WADE |  | Tue Oct 27 1992 09:44 | 44 | 
|  | 
	This list might be a little out of date, but 
	I think it is accurate enough to show the 
	situation at the top in Europe.  According 
	to the list, there are 34 functional and 
	country managers in Europe, all men.
	Just FYI.  Jim.
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	Dick Poulsen		
	Giorgio Corsi		 GEC	     @GEO
	Peter Smith		 GEC	     @GEO
	Dick Esten		 GEO	     @GEO
	Sergio Giacoletto	 GEO	     @GEO
	Werner Oppliger		 GEC	     @GEO 
	Jack Schweizer		 GEO	     @GEO
	Stan Smits		 VBE	     @VBE
	Beat Stiefel		 GEC	     @GEO
	Hans Dirkmann		 Villingen   @KBO
	Michel Ferreboeuf	 EVO	     @EVO
	Alberto Fresco 		 GEC  	     @GEO
	Wolfgang Jaeger		 GEC	     @GEO
	Joerg Rieder		 MUNICH	     @RTO
	Geoff Shingles		 READING     @RES
	Beat Stiefel		 GEO	     @GEO
	Constantine Aloupis	 ATHENS	     @HEL
	Antonio Almeida		 LISBON	     @XIP
	Semih Arslanoglu	 ISTANBUL    @TWI
	Ferenc Bati 		 BUDAPEST    @BPS
	Antti Halila		 COPENHAGEN  @DMO  
	Mario Bonzano		 MILAN	     @MLN
	Bo Dimert		 STOCKLHOLM  @SOO
	Michel Ferreboeuf	 EVRY	     @EVO
	Bob van Randeraat	 UTRECHT     @UTO
	Hans Jarnik              VIENNA	     @VNO
	Henry Keller		 ZURICH	     @ZUO
	Birger Kvaavik		 OSLO 	     @NWO
	Derek MacHugh		 DUBLIN      @DBO
	Pekka Roine		 HELSINKI    @FNO
	Gianni Messora		 EVRY	     @EVO
	Paul Van der Spiegel	 BRUSSELS    @BRO
	Gil Weiser 		 TEL AVIV    @ISO
	David Cooper		 GENEVA      @GEO
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