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Name | Date | Lines |
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| 1642.1 | Who - Not What You Know | HAAG::HAAG | | Mon Oct 21 1991 13:59 | 21 |
| Read note 1627.72 in this notesfile. The job posting and subsequent
processes are horrible.
I would be curious if the noters in this conference would answer a
couple of questions for me.
Did you obtain an new position within the company through formal or
informal processes?
Formal being through "official" job posting in VTX, NOTES, or
Personnel.
Informal being more through who you know, the "good 'ol boy" network,
etc.
I realize that many jobs are obtained through the informal process. And
that's not just at DEC but in corporate America in general.
Just curious.
Gene.
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| 1642.2 | my experience: informal | SAUTER::SAUTER | John Sauter | Mon Oct 21 1991 14:01 | 14 |
| I obtained my job at Digital through an informal procedure. One of my
friends called me on a Friday and asked me to come to work for his
department. I asked for the weekend to think it over, and called him
back the following Monday to accept. He then set up the interviews,
etc. to make it all official.
I had spent a year consulting for this department two years before, and
I was generally well known to the engineers through my activities as a
customer. After the interviews the secretary walking me to the door
was surprised that several people we encountered in the hallway greeted
me by name.
This was in 1975. Things may have changed since then.
John Sauter
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| 1642.3 | You make your own luck. | CSC32::J_OPPELT | Illiterate? Write for free help. | Mon Oct 21 1991 14:27 | 24 |
| The problem with "posting for 10 days," etc., is that reqs that
are open today may not be there tomorrow. It is in the best
interest of a manager to fill an open req as fast as possible
nowadays. If a person comes along that is qualified for the
job and seems like a good fit for the group, hire him/her and
get it over with!
I have known many managers who hold a "stable-full" of qualified
resumes waiting for the window to open up to allow the hiring
of one or two of them.
It has always been my personal practice (when looking for a job)
to have my resume on the hiring managers' desks, not languishing
in a personnel folder. I would follow up with periodic EMAIL
messages to those managers indicating that I was still interested
if they were, and requesting status of open reqs. That way I
remain fresh in the mind of the manager when that window opens.
Perhaps doing so makes me a "pal" of one of the "good ol' boys,"
and if so, more power to ME!
Re .0 -- was the person hired for the position qualified and an
apparent good fit?
Joe Oppelt
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| 1642.4 | | RIPPLE::KENNEDY_KA | I am not my fault | Thu Oct 24 1991 22:28 | 7 |
| Job requisitions are required to be posted for 10 days. A written
offer cannot be made until that time, unless upper management approval
is given. However, that does not mean that a preferred candidate
hasn't been located prior to the req being posted. All applicants must
be considered for EEO purposes.
Karen
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| 1642.5 | Success with the Formal Process | MCIS5::FARRAND | I need an unlisted number. | Fri Oct 25 1991 09:25 | 16 |
| My first job with Digital in 1984 came from the formal process. I
responded to a Boston Globe ad for Sales Trainers. I moved over to
Operations in 1986 as a result of job postings and interviews through
Personnel. When the big decentralization of Operations came in 1988, I
stayed in the Marlboro area through the informal process. I
interviewed with a manager I knew through normal business contract. In
1990 I moved over to a Marketing position in Artificial Intelligence
only to find myself in transitiion six months later. When that
happened I noticed my old Operations job was still open in the jobs
book, so I asked to come back and was accepted. Since the job was
posted, I would call that the formal process.
So three out of four job situations came about because of the formal
process. For me the systems works.
paul f
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