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Conference 7.286::digital

Title:The Digital way of working
Moderator:QUARK::LIONELON
Created:Fri Feb 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5321
Total number of notes:139771

1556.0. "Change the Two Year Policy?" by QUARK::MODERATOR () Wed Aug 14 1991 12:09

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I left a "safe" position in my area of functional specialization to go out 
into the U.S. field with C.O.D. one year ago.  The program I am involved 
with is intended to share Digital's experience in my function with customer 
counterparts in the same function in the hope of leveraging sales.

The recession has hit my market segment hard, and 20% of my group was laid 
off July 8th.  It is unclear how many more of us will go next time around.

My problem is that my manager refuses to permit me to transfer back into my 
functional specialty where there are numerous jobs posted.  He is able to do 
this because I have only been in my current position for one year and policy 
REQUIRES two years before a transfer.

I raised this issue in our most recent staff meeting because several other 
people in the group are in a similar position.  We asked "How can you refuse 
to let us transfer into positions where our skills are in demand when we 
could all be cut next time with no chance to look for another job if we are 
'tapped'?"

His response was that he was "committed" to meeting next years budget goals 
and that he might be unable to replace us if we left the group.

Should the two year rule be relaxed to allow people to apply for jobs where 
their skills are strongest if they are at risk of being laid off while 
serving a "development" hitch in an area outside their functional strength?

P.S. In a "wild" coincidence, my boss asked me to come into his office 
before I could hit the send button on this note, and told me he would not 
prevent me from applying for another job because it looked like we were 
going to be hit!  Others may need the same latitude.

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1556.1Policy is just that: ...SWAM2::MCCARTHY_LATrial by errorWed Aug 14 1991 14:368
    ... policy. Not "law". Check the Personnel Policy and Procedures Manual
    (aka "Orange Book", PP&P). You probably only need a VP's signature to
    get an exemption from the 2-year limit. This should be quite easy these
    days - what with the reduction of IC's and the recent VP population
    explosion, you can't swing a cat without hitting two or three VP's :-)
    
    Now, all you need to do is find out what your manager's *real* agenda
    is, since he certainly knows this better than anyone. 
1556.2There ARE some good managers out there!SICML::LEVINMy kind of town, Chicago isWed Aug 14 1991 14:3913
re: .0
  <<	P.S. In a "wild" coincidence, my boss asked me to come into his office 
  <<	before I could hit the send button on this note, and told me he would not 
  <<	prevent me from applying for another job because it looked like we were 
  <<	going to be hit!  Others may need the same latitude.

Despite the numerous postings here about unfeeling managers, my personal 
experience has been that most of the managers I've ever worked for have been
sensitive to their employees.  Your experience only confirms that so often it
boils down to the individual person - not "policy" - as to whether the "right
thing" is done.

	/Marvin
1556.3Even policy needs to be applied correctly . . .CAPNET::CROWTHERMaxine 276-8226Wed Aug 14 1991 17:0411
    re .2
    
    Right on! The last person I would want on my team is someone who
    doesn't want to be there.  I have hired folks and made mutual
    agreements for them to go, folks have asked to leave and I have let
    them (with no authority other than my own), and I have asked people to
    leave who are not performing in my area but might be excellent
    performers in other areas.
    
    Policy is an easy excuse for not doing the right thing!  
    
1556.4Not DoctrineCOOKIE::LENNARDRush Limbaugh, I Luv Ya GuyWed Aug 14 1991 17:354
    I never considered the two year thing as cast in concrete.  It's
    a guideline.  I think any two managers can agree to override it
    if it is the best interests of all involved.  I certainly did in
    the past.  IMNSHO.
1556.5Working where I work out of *choice* TOOK::DMCLUREBush/Hoover for pres in &#039;92/&#039;32Wed Aug 14 1991 19:3368
re: .0,

    	First of all, the two year committment is *not* a rule.  Like
    everything else in this corporate loophole heaven, it is merely a
    "guideline" for managers to follow (which is why your manager was
    able to magically waive the two year committment like that).

    	Moreover, the two year committment *used* to actually mean that
    both a hiring manager, as well as an employee could count on working
    together for a minimum of two years (barring any unusual circumstances),
    but with ongoing TFSO workforce reductions, however, the two year
    "committment" of employment from management has been reduced to a
    mere fairy tale, while the employee, on the other hand, is still
    expected to abide by this "guideline" (when it suits the wishes of
    mangagement, of course).

    	The two year committment has always been somewhat of a
    raunchy deal for the individual employee by freezing their career
    options within DEC for two years, but it has been endured in the name
    of the "corporate good" since it supposedly helps to insure corporate
    staffing needs.  Here are some of the wonderful things the two year
    committment has consistently produced for the "corporate good":

    1.  Limited selection of internal job candidates for hiring managers
        of critical needs positions (note: this problem only worsens during
        a "hiring freeze").

    2.  Poor worker morale during transition periods (especially in those
    	such as myself who have been raked over the coals by this "guideline"
    	when attempting to leave a dead-end position for a more fruitful one).

    3.  A binding glue to force employees to work for managers or with
        other employees who might later turn out to be total jerks who
        they would never ordinarily work with by choice (a little like
        marriage without divorce for two years).  Managers, on the other
        hand, have always had plenty of ways of eliminating an employee
        from their cost center prior to the two year committment, and
        these past two years have seen a dramatic increase in even more
        managerial options in this regard.

    4.	The most recent "feature" of the two year committment is the
    	potential for entrapment (as far as employment at DEC is concerned)
        of employees into positions in which, due to market changes or whatever
        the reason, are destined to be deemed redundant and whose employees
        are then TFSO'ed out the door by default.

    	The two year committment is one leftover from the "Old Digital"
    that DEC can truly do without.  Supposedly there to insure the staffing
    needs of the corporatation, in fact it only really benefits the empire
    builders and would-be dictators who thrive on such power over their
    employees.

   	The two year committment might have made sense back in the
    early days of the industry when people and jobs were changing so
    fast that some form of brakes were needed to help slow down the
    world a bit, but these days DEC can no longer afford to slow down.
    In fact, the two year committment is completely antithetical to
    the new and supposedly entrepeneurial corporate structure.

    	If a legally-binding two-year contract was to be instituted 
    instead (fat chance), then that is one thing, but the "two year
    committment" is for the birds.  Ask around and listen to people from
    other companies laugh when you tell them about this corporate
    "guideline".  Only at DEC!  No wonder we have so many problems!

				   -davo

p.s.   Also see note #1011.
1556.6RBW::WICKERTSSR IM&amp;T ConsultantThu Aug 15 1991 16:567
    
    What needs to be changed is the "no warning" part of TFSO! If you were
    warned a month ahead instead of being told the day of seperation you'd
    probably be able to find another job if you skills are that in demand. 
    
    -Ray