Conference 7.286::digital

re: .0

This is in no way an official answer.  If you want that, you are asking in the
wrong place.

That said,  various entities within DEC have their own seperate badge numbering
scheme.  For example, the U.S. has one, GIA another, etc.  From what I have
seen, if you leave an entity and return to the same entity, then yes, you should
get the same badge number back.  If you return to a different entity, then you
get a new one.

BTW, the U.S. job application form says, (or at least used) that if you want
your old badge number back, you must supply it on the application, or a new
one will be issued.

Bob

    Thanks Bob
    
    I didn't fill the standard application form so did not have the choice
    of entering my old badge number.
    
    You mention looking elsewhere for an official answer, where would that
    be ?
    
    Thanks again
    
    
    Dave D

re: .2

What I meant was that NOTES files are not sources for official answers.  Some-
times they can provide pointers to official sources.

I guess you are having a battle with your local personnel organization over what
your correct badge number should be.  I don't know what the proper escalation
procedure would be.

Bob

    
    
    I moved from the UK to the US last year and kept my basingstoke badge
    number.
    
    simon
    ps, welcome back 8-)

    As I recall, from seeing the OJP's, DESISco jobs are not the same as
    DIGITAL jobs. Different t's and c's of employment, for one thing.
    
    I'd  speculate that as a result, you may have a new badge number to
    differentiate you from a 'real' DIGITAL employee.
    
    	- andy

Ahhh Gi'day...�

    I kept mine when I started in Germany, after resigning in Australia

    Hi again
    
    
    So the word is that DESISCo can give me a new badge number if they want
    to, but there are examples of people moving between Digital companies
    and keeping their badge numbers.  DESISCo do have different terms and
    conditions, mainly because the company was purchased on mass from
    another parent company, although there are moves to keep DESISCo in
    line with Digital.
    
    There are also examples of people transferring from DIGITAL UK to
    DESISCo and keeping their badge numbers so I don't reckon they are
    using new numbers to make a difference.
    
    What I reckon as happened is that a mistake as been made, but their is
    not alot I can do, especially now all my payroll stuff as gone through
    ETC, will I be able to get my old number back if I transferred again,
    eg If I got a Job in the US would I have a choice of two numbers or
    would I get a third ??
    
    Thanks for the help
    
    Dave

re: .7

One thing to keep in mind no matter where you go, if your old badge number
is already assigned to someone in the new entity, you will obviously be assigned
a new number.

Bob

    Hi again Bob
    
    do you mean that badge numbers can be re-applied to other people in the
    same subsid,
    
    Or that the same number may be issued at different locations ?
    
    I was under the impression that the number was unique across the world
    and that it would not be re-issued !
    
    For instance there is no 235603 out there and I don't expect to meet one
    
    Dave D

re: .9

If I remember correctly, numbers are not unique corporation-wide.

Bob

    I started working for DEC in Puerto Rico 11 years ago. I got a 4
    digit badge number. When I transferred (not quit and rehired) back to
    the states 4 years later, they put an 8 in front of my number.
    
    - John

    Hi
    
    Re badge numbers not being unique.
    
    What about ELF and the CSC's that use badge numbers as an
    identification, a unique identification ?
    
    Dave the curious

    DEC corporate badge numbers are definitely unique. However, as I
    understand it, until a local country subsidiary is tied into the
    system that allocates them, they issue their own. I know several people
    from various non-US countries that have heen allocated a corporate
    badge number siome time after acquiring their local badge number upon
    joining.
    
    	- andy

    I believe that DEC personnel issues blocks of badge numbers to each
    company entity worldwide which would insure that each and every
    employee has a unique badge number. This is the only way that our CSC
    system could work since the PMF (personnel master file) is referenced
    every time a remote support call is logged at a CSC so that caller
    information can be put with the call. All hell would probably break
    loose if more than one employee popped up with the same badge number.
    
    Ken

re: .14

Ken,

Don't the CSCs in the U.S. only serve the U.S.?  Aren't the various entities
personnel files seperate?  Could I call one of the CSCs in Europe or the U.K.
and have them verify my badge number?

Bob

    Our CSC here in the springs (at least the remote support part) now
    takes calls from DEC people in Central and South America and the
    information on the call screen looks normal. This is what leads me to
    believe that there must be just a single personnel file for ever part
    of the globe.
    
    Ken

    I was hired here in Puerto Rico and given a 4 digit badge number.  The
    next year, when I transferred to Maynard, I got a new five-digit badge,
    but the last 4 were the same as my PR badge.  When I came back, I got
    the 4-digit badge back, but I'm still on record up north with the
    5-digits.  I use it for dealings with the DLN and such.
    
    Conclusions:
    
    1) Yes, there is a single badge number sequencing system, at
    least within Digital and its wholly owned subsidiaries.
    
    2) Yes, you should get your old badge number back if you return.
    
    3) No, there is no guarantee that I have it right.
    
    Dick

RE: .10

right.

RE: .14

I don't think so

RE: .15 

I doubt very much the C.S.C. in Europe or the U.K. could verify your 
badge.



Everyone knows who badge #1 belongs to - This same number references a 
DEC employee in Ireland, who also has a 3-digit badge # in DEC 
Ireland's numbering scheme.  This just illustrates that there is not 
just one "central" PMF.   But knowing Digital, did anyone really 
expect that it would be that simple ? ;-)

    	Does it really make a difference what badge number you have?
    
    	Joe Oppelt

    
    having a low number is supposed to be cool..
    
    

    Having _no_ badge number is definitely icy!.
    
    (The Iceman cometh !)
    
    :-(
    
    John
    

    Hi
    
    seems to be a bit of controversy here.  I still reckon that badge
    numbers are corporate wide (that is what I was told and cause of things
    like the CSC and ELF)
    
    I have found that Personel here at DESISCo have got their own system,
    having departed from DEC UK they followed different thinking.
    
    Do we agree that ELF is corporate wide ?  I can get Europe, GIA and the
    US on my ELF, right ?
    
    Find 1 will bring up Ken Olsen, and ONLY ken Olsen, so that supports my
    theory.
    
    I tried 2 and 3 etc but no body is listed.  Then I tried another famous
    number, 100 which should be Edson De Castro (ie no one listed). But I
    got Arthur Vartanian from GIA listed with that number.  This implies
    that either numbers are reallocated or that some group was integrated
    into the corporation scheme of things and got low numbers or indeed
    Arthur does not have a standard number and the 100 refers to his Local
    number !
    
    What do people think of this then ?
    
    Making this note a little more topical, what badge numbers will the
    Phillips guys get then ??
    
    Dave D

    I got a chuckle out of your statement..."another famous number, 100
    which should be Edson DeCastro" and  " Arthur does not have a standard
    badge number".
    Makes me wonder where you get your information.
    
    If it might put your mind at ease, I can assure you that Mr. DeCastro 
    did not wear badge # 100 as I am the one and only badge number 100 in
    the Corporation.            =
    
    I know that because I worked with the man 30 years ago and It certainly
    would have been noticed if two of the 87 employees in the corporation
    sported the same badge number, especially where we all knew each other.
    
    I think that you can be pretty sure that badge numbers are assigned
    in a continuing string corporate wide,in some cases by blocks.
    So, hopefully, ELF will continue to show ONLY ONE badge #1 and ONLY ONE
    badge #100 . If I see differently, I will be SHOCKED. I think I
    remember what Ed's badge number really was, but all I can say is that
    it was CLOSE to 100.  
    
    
    what Mr. DeCastro's badge number really was. 

    Hi
    
    Sorry about that.  I have read in a couple of places that 100 was ED,
    and people in DEC have told me the same when we got round to talking on
    the subject, although I now see that I am obviously wrong. Sorry
    
    So with this can all the people out there accept that badge numbers are
    corporate wide and unique.
    
    This still leaves questions like whether numbers are reassigned at all?
    ----so far we have said NO
    Whether they are transferred between companies
    ----there are examples, but it is not always done
    
    Another point I want to raise.  My personnel records go with 235603. 
    This means that anything good or bad I did before is now lost.  In my
    case, because I did leave the company this may not be so bad (except
    for the fact that I have been re-hired without any reference to what I
    may have been like previously), but what about people that are
    internally transferring.  Do they lose long service benefits (5 year
    diner etc) and how about their redundancy payments ?  Would promotion
    be affected by this ?  How about if they transferred between companies
    to hide a bad record ?
    
    As far as I can see it is better for the company, once it as managed to
    set up these unique numbers, is for them to be kept by one person and
    to have the associated records that go with that person transferred.
    
    What do you think ?
    
    Dave D
    
    
    

Ahhh Gi'day...�

    There is  only one EMF (Employee Master File) and it has a unique Badge
    number.   If  you  are  in  that  file  (ie ELF) then you have a unique
    number, somewhere.

    Dave,
    
    I wasn't looking for an apology.....just wanted to give you the facts.
    
    I'm not up to date on the present policy/practices on badge number
    assignments but I would think that it makes the most sense to freeze
    a persons badge number when they leave Digital and issue a new
    number and treat them as a new employee if they return. However, I
    think that the previous badge number should certainly be mentioned
    in the records so that previous records could always be referenced.
    
    When I say LEAVE Digital, I mean with no definite plan of returning.
    I would think that if the departure was a pre-arranged leave of
    absence type of thing, or a transfer to another area, that the
    original number would stand.  But..who knows.  The Company is so
    large and so spread out now ,that it has become very difficult to 
    have all areas follow the same lines of thought and procedures so there
    probably is some deviation in policy and definitions among the many
    sites.      
    
    Sure, I'm proud of my badge number and I'm proud to be one of the
    foundation builders of this great corporation but I can't see getting
    hung up on a badge number alone.  Actually, what difference does it
    make?   Especailly now that we're up to 6 digit numbers.
    
    Guess I've rambled long enough.    Have a nice day!
    

Freezing Badge Numbers,

The corporate Badge Numbers are issued once (hopefully).  There
are a lot of benefits that are tied to that badge number, such as
your DCU account.  I do know of one instance where two people
ended up with the same badge number, it took six months to get
it straightened out.

Larry

Even when you get your old number back after quitting and being rehired,
your benefits (vacation accrual, five-year dinners, etc.) are reset to
zero -- at least in the U.S.  There is a short grace period, in which
you can be rehired and your resignation will be "forgotten."  But in the
U.S., unless you leave on a leave of absence, when you come back you are
a new employee with two weeks of vacation per year, no matter how many
years of previous service you had.

/john

    
    
    RE:  .28
    
    
    Not true for everyone!  From the period December 1990 thru January 1994
    I will have been terminated and re-hired by DEC 4 times.
    
    My vacation and sick days accrue.
    

    re:            <<< Note 1532.29 by ASIC::BARTOO "RoboCo-op" >>>

<    Not true for everyone!  From the period December 1990 thru January 1994
    								^^^^^^^^^^^
<    I will have been terminated and re-hired by DEC 4 times.

    
    
    >      -< crystal ball? >-
    
    No, job offers.
    

As a Co-op student, you are a special case.

Going back to school between work quarters is the same as a person going on a
leave of absence.

However, if you were to work somewhere else (other than a student job at
your university) in-between, you would be reset to zero, just like anyone
else.

    
    
    Nope!  I was terminated.
    
    I know because I had to fill out all the new-hire forms again, just
    like 6 months ago.  They told me I was terminated when I complained
    about the paperwork!  ;-)
    
    I left Digital before in March.  They didn't know I was coming back
    until May, so they had no way of knowing if I was going to work
    somewhere else in between.
    
    I got the same badge number back, and I still have sick days from last
    winter.
    
    N
    

    As .32 pointed out, co-ops are a special case, and your situation
    does not apply to the scenario that this note is addressing.
    
    David
    (A former co-op)

    
    
    David, the former co-op
    
    
    Note .28 says "Everyone."  It is making a sweeping generalization that
    is not true.  Not only is it not true about co-ops, but it is also not
    true about summer hires.  That is the scenario.  Being a co-op has
    nothing to do with it.
    
    The fact is, Digital keeps "tabs" on its terminated employees.  And
    certain terminated employees come back to the same benefits they left
    behind.
    
    Nick
      

    
    That's a real bummer! :-(
    
    All of the many top 100 companies I've consulted to have a different
    policy. Most of them start you off reset after the re-hire but once
    you've been with the company a year you get all your service time back.
    
    -Ray