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Name | Date | Lines |
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| 1527.1 | | AYOV10::DHUNTER | | Wed Jul 10 1991 10:27 | 7 |
| re: .0
Does management at digital never, ever have to suffer the consequences
of it's actions?
Don H.
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| 1527.2 | What Voluntary System???? | COOKIE::LENNARD | Rush Limbaugh, I Luv Ya Guy | Wed Jul 10 1991 12:51 | 9 |
| Nope....ain't it a beautiful system? As a matter of fact in some of
the management fiasco's I've been familiar with the in past few years,
the perpetrators have typically been rewarded.
Personally, I'm getting a little sick and tired of hearing about the
so-called "voluntary" program we had last year. What a misleading
bunch of crap. I tried to volunteer, but was turned down.
.......and the death spiral continues.
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| 1527.3 | | F18::ROBERT | | Wed Jul 10 1991 13:05 | 5 |
| I also volunteered for the first package, and was told I could not
apply for it.
sigh?
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| 1527.4 | | BSS::D_BANKS | David Banks -- N�ION | Wed Jul 10 1991 15:50 | 9 |
| Re: last two
As has been said before, you can volunteer to leave at any time. I'm sure
noone will try to stop you. Just don't expect to be paid for it.
As one who would like to stay, I hope you're one of the ones to go rather than
me... (nothing personal :-)
- David
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| 1527.5 | Voluntary - No Way | HGOVA::MELADAMS | | Wed Jul 10 1991 22:43 | 31 |
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When the first package was announced, I let it be known that I
would not be "offended" if it was offered to me. My thoughts were
expressed to 2 levels of management.
When the second package was announced I became more agressive with
both levels.
When the third package was announced I even included my third level
manager. He did a lot to understand what was being done/offered. He
explained that he would/could not defend the differences in
implementation between groups. He did explain his position. If he let
me go, he would not be able to replace me and he could not afford to
loose the headcount.
I, too, was (and still am) tired of hearing the package referd to as
being "voluntary". The comments I found especially hard to listen to
were when news repoters would state that senior DEC managers were
disapointed with the number of people volunteering.
As some short background, my reasons for wanting the package were
personal. I had a great deal of respect for my manager and the rest of
the group (I still have that respect for them). Leaving that group was
a very difficult thing for me to do. I also have that same respect for
the third level manager having know him for many years. My reasons were
not based on any loss of satisfaction with DEC.
As of today, I am where I want to be. My old group has not been
allowed to replace me (and others who have also left it). Also, the
second level manager was offered the package and has left DEC.
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| 1527.6 | There's "voluntary", and there's "voluntary"... | BSS::D_BANKS | David Banks -- N�ION | Thu Jul 11 1991 20:04 | 16 |
| Re: <<< Note 1527.5 by HGOVA::MELADAMS >>>
> -< Voluntary - No Way >-
>
> I, too, was (and still am) tired of hearing the package referd to as
> being "voluntary".
Perhaps you don't fully understand the various meanings of the word
"voluntary". One meaning, the way in which you appear to be using it, refers
to something for which one can volunteer or has volunteered. But another,
slightly different meaning according to my dictionary is "Arising from an act
of choice". In other words in this instance, those selected were given the
choice whether or not to take the package. Using this meaning, it *is*
accurate to decribe the earlier packages as "voluntary".
- David
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| 1527.7 | voluntary == acceptance in lieu of certain rights? | MELKOR::HENSLEY | ratbag in training | Fri Jul 12 1991 16:14 | 9 |
| If I am not mistaken (and I am NOT a labor lawyer ;-}), the term
voluntary seems to relate to acceptance of the severance package as a
way of waiving right to sue in the future. Perhaps someone better
aquainted with the terms and intent can clarify (if such persons are
a) still here, and, b) willing to say).
Just a WAG.
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| 1527.8 | | F18::ROBERT | | Fri Jul 12 1991 18:23 | 5 |
| From what my personel person said, by accepting the severance package,
you give up the right to sue DIGITAL.
D.R.
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| 1527.9 | Be Consistant | HGOVA::MELADAMS | | Sun Jul 14 1991 22:00 | 18 |
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RE: .6
David,
I do understand the different meanings of the word
Voluntary. What I object to is the practice of using the word one way
(the actual implementation of the transition packages) and using it in
press releases another.
In my opinion, the image being painted in the press is that
the package was offered to everyone, while in practice, if you were
selected you could: 1) find another job at DEC, 2) leave DEC, or 3)
voluteer for the package.
I do know of some, not many, but some instances of a manger
actually letting people volunteer. They were told how many had to go and
then took those that wanted to go.
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| 1527.10 | Different implementation | SANBDO::GRANT | Give me a VAXstation 9000 | Mon Jul 15 1991 12:23 | 9 |
| RE: .7
>> the package was offered to everyone, while in practice, if you were
>> selected you could: 1) find another job at DEC, 2) leave DEC, or 3)
>> voluteer for the package.
Some implementations were none of the above (i.e. Here's the package,
you're volunteered!). When it is done effective immediately you don't
have the option of 1, 2, or 3.
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| 1527.11 | all volunteers step forward! | CSC32::K_BOUCHARD | Ken Bouchard CXO3-2 | Mon Jul 15 1991 21:47 | 11 |
| I may be wrong but I don't think that the people at the top in this
company ever meant to imply that ANY "package" offering was truly
voluntary as in "across the board" voluntary. All "package" offerings
were and are generous (some more so) and to imply that any employee
(even those in critical areas) could just take the money and run would
probably make Wall st. cringe and I don't think that would be so
desirable.
Just a thought
Ken
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