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Conference 7.286::digital

Title:The Digital way of working
Moderator:QUARK::LIONELON
Created:Fri Feb 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5321
Total number of notes:139771

1490.0. "Help CSO port U* code to VMS?" by SMEGIT::ARNOLD (Some assembly required) Fri Jun 07 1991 12:35

    Our group has a major opportunity with a software house that
    has some software that very potentially could be one of our major
    keys for making inroads into an industry where Digital is not
    currently well known.  This vendor has some "C" code that currently
    runs on various platforms; ie, Intel UNIX, SCO, AT&T Unix, HP,
    RS6000, DG Avion, Sun Sparc, etc.

    Here's the problem: they should have no trouble porting their
    software to RISC or VAX Ultrix.  But:

    1.  For good reasons, we would *also* like them to port their
        software to VMS, and

    2.  Getting a loaner machine for this port is like pulling teeth
        these days.  I can get a VMS machine *now*, but it appears that
        I will have to wait 30-60 days for a RISC/Ultrix loaner machine.

    The software house, while quite competent in the U* world, don't
    know beans about VMS.

    Is there a group within Digital (I had heard there was/is?) whose
    charter it is to help software houses port their applications/software
    to Digital operating systems, like VMS?  Can you provide any
    pointers?  There are several major opportunities that this software
    house may HAVE to install on DG gear unless we can get this
    problem resolved quickly.

    Any pointers greatly appreciated -- thanks.
    Jon
    DTN 264-5748
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1490.1BRULE::MICKOLIf you think of losing, you've lostFri Jun 07 1991 15:036
Sounds like you are talking about the Independent Software Vendor Group. 
They have programs that put Digital hardware in the hands of software 
developers for little or no cost. There is some ISVG hotline number, but I 
don't have it handy...

Jim
1490.2The old SWS/E org used to have a group looking at this, too, ...YUPPIE::COLEProposal:Getting an edge in word-wise!Fri Jun 07 1991 15:4511
	... and I knew one of the people in the group.  He's not
there now, but maybe he can shed some light on the "path"!

	Try contacting:

 PHILLIP CUDIA
DTN:  521-4491  Intrnl Mail Addr:  WRO1-2/D30  Location:  WRO
Node:  GRANMA
Org Unit:  SALES SUPPORT

	Good hunting!
1490.3ISV phone numberAIMHI::MACPHEEFri Jun 07 1991 17:144
    
    ISV hotline		800-DEC-ISVN
    
    
1490.4A Name and a number . . .CAPNET::CROWTHERMaxine 276-8226Fri Jun 07 1991 17:321
    ...Or call/write Ellen Simarano @MRO   DTN 297-3064.
1490.5VMS .vs. Ultrix Machines SHRCAL::MORRILLSat Jun 08 1991 12:3710
  RE.0

	If you are planning to go to standard ULTRIX (V4.2 is now available)
	all you have to do is build a system disk...but as far as I know...
	there is no "RISC" VMS.  

	Software available for RISC is RISC ULTRIX only.

	I suggest you set up the ULTRIX on a Microvax...It is a piece of cake
	to build the system disk/kernal with all the supported sets.
1490.6check out VMS/POSIX....CANYON::LEEDSScuba dooba dooWed Jun 12 1991 19:0519
>	If you are planning to go to standard ULTRIX (V4.2 is now available)
>	all you have to do is build a system disk...but as far as I know...
>	there is no "RISC" VMS.  

I didn't see anything in .0 that requested a "RISC VMS" solution... 
only that they wanted to port their code to VMS. 

If you know who your local VMS Partner is (if not, send me mail and I 
can find out - CANYON::LEEDS) you might want to talk to him/her and
investigate moving the code to POSIX which will provide a great deal
of portability and interoperability with U*X systems while allowing
you to run on VMS. The products are in Field Test, but they've all
been announced at DECUS and other places and LOTS of 3rd parties are
involved in porting their applications to VMS/POSIX.  Real 
availability will be later in the year, but it's a great opportunity 
for 3rd parties to only have to support one version of their 
application which will run on both VMS and U*X platforms.

Arlan - SWD VMS Partner
1490.7But..FASDER::AHERBAl is the *first* nameWed Jun 12 1991 20:368
    ...as the author stated, his customer knows beans about VMS. Why
    confuse him with "POSIX" or other wicked spells (PS: I know what POSIX
    is).
    
    To the original request for access to a RISC/Ultrix machine, the number
    is 1-800-ISVN I think. Other options are to seek out an established
    leasing agent for our RISC products and expense the cost (presuming
    that you are going to generate revenue from this).
1490.8SMEGIT::ARNOLDSome assembly requiredThu Jun 13 1991 16:4515
    Thanks for the tips.  I've located a VMS machine that is enroute to
    them, and should also have a RISC machine to them by month's end.  They
    feel they can do the RISC ULTRIX port with no sweat, and said they
    would "play" with VMS to see how difficult it might be.  
    
    As far as some of the groups mentioned in previous notes, I've
    contacted those people, and find out that DEC will provide a machine
    and tech help au gratis ... IF the company is willing to travel to a
    specific DEC site to do it.  For reasons outside the scope of this
    discussion, that's not possible for them, but they would be willing to
    pay for a VMS person to help them with the port, if we could provide
    somebody familiar with Unix, VMS, and C.
    
    Any takers?
    Jon
1490.9what he really wants....SWAM2::LEEDS_ARFri Jun 28 1991 18:0440
re: .7
>    ...as the author stated, his customer knows beans about VMS. Why
>    confuse him with "POSIX" or other wicked spells (PS: I know what POSIX
>    is).
>    

Reread the base note and the title:

>    "Help CSO port U* code to VMS?"
>
>    1.  For good reasons, we would *also* like them to port their
>        software to VMS
>
>    The software house, while quite competent in the U* world, don't
>    know beans about VMS.
>
>    Is there a group within Digital (I had heard there was/is?) whose
>    charter it is to help software houses port their applications/software
>    to Digital operating systems, like VMS?  


Sounds to me like what he's asking for is a way for non-VMS literate 
programmers who have a lot of U*X code and experience to port their code to 
VAX/VMS..... sounds tailor made for what POSIX is all about:

 o Familiarity for U*X users and programmers
 o VAX/VMS is the underlying O/S for richness of functionality
 o Portable code so the ISV doesn't have to maintain multiple versions
 etc....


I don't understand the "wicked spell" comment.... the customer has U*X code 
that he WANTS to port to VMS (wouldn't it be nice if more customers wanted 
to do that, maybe Digital wouldn't be facing "right-sizing" now)... why not 
make it easy on him by providing him an environment on VMS that will seem 
familiar to a U*X user, ie: POSIX ??  Unfortunately, VMS POSIX is still 
in field test, so we can't say "DIGITAL has it now", but it would certainly 
make sense to me to use it if the timing was right...

Arlan