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| 1455.1 | | BUNYIP::QUODLING | Big Bunny Foo-Foo! | Fri May 03 1991 11:52 | 5 |
| Only in Mass? As I said before, we are looking more and more parochial, It's
that Mom and Pop Computer Outfit in Maynard up to it's old tricks.
q
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| 1455.2 | | NOTIME::SACKS | Gerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085 | Fri May 03 1991 14:52 | 7 |
| In case you hadn't noticed, the Massachusetts economy is on the rocks.
There's a high-tech brain drain from the area. Since DEC does a lot
(most?) of its engineering in Massachusetts, this hurts the company.
This move should give us great publicity, loyal customers, and a better
economic environment for the heart of the company. It simply doesn't
make as much sense for DEC to offer a discount to startups in Idaho
as it does in Massachusetts.
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| 1455.3 | | RICKS::SHERMAN | ECADSR::SHERMAN 225-5487, 223-3326 | Sat May 04 1991 00:11 | 5 |
| Besides, what better way to leave Digital than to go to work for a
startup in Mass with equipment that is already familiar and a boss
that's happy with your former employer?
Steve
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| 1455.4 | | CVG::THOMPSON | Semper Gumby | Sat May 04 1991 00:25 | 16 |
| RE: .2 Baloney! What difference does it make where the company is. If
they grow up to be a Fortune 50 company and remember us for giving them
a break who cares if they're in Idaho, India, Massachusetts, or Europe?
Let's face it Massachusetts is not the only place with an economic
crunch. There's New Hampshire to the North, Eastern Europe to the
east, large areas of the Midwest US to the West and parts of south and
central America to the south. Special treatment for Massachusetts seems
unreasonably parochial to me.
Besides, we're far too dependent on MA as it is. We've done some
movement of engineering to the rest of the world but we've still got
a ways to go. There are great minds outside of MA and we ignore too
many of them.
Alfred
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| 1455.5 | Perhaps your goverment needs to help? | HERCUL::MOSER | Eastern? Western? It's all Discrete! | Sat May 04 1991 19:08 | 14 |
| > Digital's Entrepreneurial Grant Program is the first private sector
> initiative in the Commonwealth's drive to encourage public/private
> partnerships designed to stimulate economic development.
A cursory read suggests that the "Commonwealth" is somehow involved in this.
Has anyone researched the amount of "incentive" the state has provided for this
program?? I would certainly have this information on hand before casting
aspersions on the motives of our fearless leaders...
I for one have half a mind to forward this idea to my state rep for a possible
"look see"... Certainly seems more productive than whining about all the places
where the program is not implemented.
/mlm (Missouri, USA)
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| 1455.6 | | BLUMON::QUODLING | Big Bunny Foo-Foo! | Sat May 04 1991 23:38 | 8 |
| In support of .4...
Isn't the parochialism that exists with Mass, and the egocentric
methods of management (both state governments, and largfe corporations,) What
got the state (or corporations) into the trouble that they are in now...
q
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| 1455.7 | govt. contract impact? | SMOOT::ROTH | From little acorns mighty oaks grow. | Sun May 05 1991 00:38 | 6 |
| Hey, don't our contracts with govt. agencies (state and federal) say that
DEC has to offer gear to them at a price that is as good as DEC's best
discounts? Will the policy described in .0 cause us to have to further
discount our prices to existing govt. customers?
Lee
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| 1455.8 | | COVERT::COVERT | John R. Covert | Sun May 05 1991 10:19 | 4 |
| No, what got the Commonwealth of Massachusetts in the shape it's in now
is the "tax and spend, tax and spend" mentality of the Dukakis administration.
But that's a discussion for another conference.
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| 1455.9 | Gotta meet the conditions | COVERT::COVERT | John R. Covert | Sun May 05 1991 10:21 | 6 |
| GSA contract requires the best discounts at the same conditions.
So, if the Feds open a new agency in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts,
they can get the discount.
/john
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| 1455.10 | New York Times Story | SDSVAX::SWEENEY | Again, before the Areopagus | Sun May 05 1991 23:07 | 30 |
| Big Computer Discounts, Courtesy of Arnold Cohen
� New York Times May 5, 1991, Claudia H. Deutsch
Arnold Cohen, the Digital Equipment Corporation's sales manager for the Boston
Area, likes his job. And he's good at it. Although the computer maker as a
whole has been posting sluggish results, its sales in Boston are holding up
nicely.
But Mr. Cohen hates it when small businesses routinely bypass Digital because
of the company's reputation for preferring large customers. And he hates
seeing the Massachusetts economy so stuck in the doldrums that few
entrepreneurs can afford to buy anyone's computer equipment.
So Mr. Cohen got an idea: Why not offer big discounts to local startups,
thereby pumping up the state economy and simultaneously creating a new - a
presumably loyal - customer base for Digital which makes its home in
Massachusetts.
Why not, indeed? Last week, Digital announced a program to be administered by
the Governor's office that will give anyone incorporating in the state between
May 1, 1991, and June 30, 1992, one time discounts of up to 50 percent.
To Mr. Cohen, 52, the program is less about making money now than about
"planting acorns".
"Big companies make their commitments to computer suppliers when they are
small", he said. Already one lawyer called about equipment for his new firm.
"He told us he's originally planned to buy some mail-order PC clones, but
hearing about the program made him think of Digital," Mr. Cohen said with
delight.
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| 1455.11 | truth in noting | CSSE32::MERMELL | Window Pain | Wed May 08 1991 20:23 | 13 |
| <<< Note 1455.8 by COVERT::COVERT "John R. Covert" >>>
> No, what got the Commonwealth of Massachusetts in the shape it's in now
> is the "tax and spend, tax and spend" mentality of the Dukakis administration.
John, that's a half truth at best.
The Mass. share of the savings and loan bailout alone exceeds the state deficit.
That's a Reagan/Bush administration policy. So's Star Wars, our attempt to
dump so much of our tax money into the ocean that the sea level rises and the
Russians drown. Face it, conservative Republicans 'tax & spend' just as
much as liberal Democrats. The question is which spending improves our
society and which spending impoverishes it.
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| 1455.12 | Stay in Hawaii Duke | ASDS::CROUCH | WARNING: No pessimists allowed! | Thu May 09 1991 10:00 | 8 |
| No, I totally agree with John R. Covert. It is more than
a half truth. The Duke is loathed in Mass. today. It will
be a long time before we dig out of the morass he created.
A generalization for sure, but most feel this way unless
one is from Cambridge or Brookline.
Jim C.
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| 1455.13 | | NOTIME::SACKS | Gerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085 | Thu May 09 1991 10:52 | 2 |
| The political discussion of why Massachusetts is in trouble belongs in
SOAPBOX or the MASSACHUSETTS conference.
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| 1455.14 | Is it possible | CSC32::D_SCHOENFELD | | Fri May 10 1991 14:09 | 7 |
| Here's a question.......
Could someone who took the buyout start a company in Mass. and receive
computer equipment from DEC for this company???
Hmmmmmmmmmmm...........
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| 1455.15 | | BUNYIP::QUODLING | Big Bunny Foo-Foo! | Fri May 10 1991 15:17 | 6 |
| People who took the buyout, were able to buy COmputer Equipment at a
Supercheap rates, as part of the package, as I recall..
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| 1455.16 | | CSSE32::RHINE | A dirty mind is a terrible thing to waste | Sat May 11 1991 08:49 | 6 |
| RE .-1
People who took/got the buyout can buy unneeded, fully capitalized
equipment (1 PC/1 Printer - probably their home equipment) at a bargain
price. May not be what is required to start a business.
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