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Conference 7.286::digital

Title:The Digital way of working
Moderator:QUARK::LIONELON
Created:Fri Feb 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
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1430.0. "Need 11780 level 2 material" by VICKI::DODIER (Food for thought makes me hungry) Wed Apr 10 1991 10:38

    	There may be a more appropriate notes file but this is the first
    one that came to mind.
    
    	Are there any old time F.S. pack rats out there that have the course
    material from the 11780 level 2 course stashed away ?
    
    	I'm trying to LEAP (Life Experience Advancement Program) a college
    course in Microcomputers and I need to submit the course material to
    the college for evaluation.
    
    	I have the 11780 Maint. Guide but need the print set and the rest
    of the course material.
    
    	The material will be returned when the eval is done.
    
    	Any help appreciated...............Ray
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1430.1VMSZOO::ECKERTRobbing life out of the jaws of deathWed Apr 10 1991 20:302
    Aren't the printsets considered proprietary information?  Or are those
    restrictions only on printsets for newer processors?
1430.2conference pointerSMOOT::ROTHFrom little acorns mighty oaks grow.Wed Apr 10 1991 22:5710
Customers used to be able to order them so I'm not sure how propritary
that makes the information...

Check out the conference FINALY::FIELD_SERVICE (press <KP7> to add),
lots of old timers should hang out there.

I had just what you need once upon a time but it has been tossed out long
ago.... what's an 11/780?   ;^)

Lee
1430.3Actually, I think they're one of the now defunct companiesCOVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertWed Apr 10 1991 23:328
Hey, if they're proprietary to DEC, maybe Robotron in Dresden will sell
you prints for the Robotron 1840.

The Robotron 1840 is identical to the 11/780 in every respect.  I have
pictures of one installed at the University of Dresden (back when the
U.S. government wouldn't let us sell them there).

/john
1430.4BLUMON::QUODLINGWho&#039;s the nut in the bag,dad?Wed Apr 10 1991 23:4311
You could always ask Data General for a copy... :-)

q



Ref "Soul of a New Machine" by Tracy Kidder, where DG openly admit to trying
to reverse engineer the 11/780.

q

1430.5printsets probably have few secrets nowadaysSMOOT::ROTHFrom little acorns mighty oaks grow.Thu Apr 11 1991 00:3011
re:<<< Note 1430.1 by VMSZOO::ECKERT "Robbing life out of the jaws of death" >>>

>    Aren't the printsets considered proprietary information?  Or are those
>    restrictions only on printsets for newer processors?

Back in the 11/780 days a printset would proabably tell a lot... today
a lot of the signals disappear into a box on the print with just a name
(and maybe a part number... 21-xxxxx class?) on it... the box is just
a chip with a zillion legs on it that only DEC knows what is inside.


1430.6new copies might be availableSVBEV::VECRUMBAOn-the-Road WarriorFri Apr 12 1991 01:426
    You might also try the literature order folks (either through VTX or
    mail) for print sets, etc. I replaced by 11/780 maintenance guide a
    couple of years ago when it was lost. I was really surprised I could
    still get a copy!

    /Peters
1430.7Found itVICKI::DODIERFood for thought makes me hungryFri Apr 12 1991 10:244
    	I found a local pack-rat that had the whole thing, still in the
    original boxes.
    
    	Thanks to those that replied.......Ray