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Conference 7.286::digital

Title:The Digital way of working
Moderator:QUARK::LIONELON
Created:Fri Feb 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5321
Total number of notes:139771

1396.0. "DEC/Leased land/Relocation" by PSYLO::FANTOZZI () Tue Mar 12 1991 15:27

    
    What is Digital's policy on buying property on leased land? Some
    friends of mine are facing relocation and have basically been told that
    DEC would not assume their condo because it is on leased land and there
    is not deed, only a deed for the condo itself.
    
    Is there a way around this? What can be done, if anything? Has anyone
    else experienced this before?
    
    Mary
    
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1396.1From the U.S. OrangebookGENRAL::BANKSDavid Banks -- N�IONTue Mar 12 1991 16:1516
First of all, let get one nit straight.  Digital doesn't buy the property.
It's bought by a third party purchase company (Homequity) with whom Digital
(among others) has an agreement. 

Looking at the U.S. Personnel Policies and Procedures manual (Section 5.05) it 
states that one of the criteria that the home must meet is that "There must be
only one deed with the employees name reflected on that deed."  It would seem 
that if there's no deed for the land with the employee's name on it then the
home is not eligible.  It also states that "The home must NOT be more than a
two family residence, or be a cooperative."  It doesn't specifically mention
condominiums, though.

Sounds like that person's out of luck according to my interpretation of the 
policy, though I can't say I necessarily agree with it.

-  David
1396.2it's happened beforeMRKTNG::SILVERBERGMark Silverberg DTN 264-2269 TTB1-5/B3Wed Mar 13 1991 08:205
    Some folks in Nashua, NH condos ran into the same problem.  Looks 
    like they will have to push forard a private sale.
    
    Mark
    
1396.3Condos have been purchased by HomequityLACGID::BIAZZOCan tune a VAX but can't tuna fishFri Mar 15 1991 12:434
Condominiums absolutely qualify to be purchased by Homequity.  Mine in CT
was purchased in 1989.  It did however have a free and clear deed including
the equitable share of the land it was built upon.

1396.4REAL ESTATE definition(?)JAWJA::GRESHSubtle as a BrickFri Mar 15 1991 13:1617
    
    From my American College Dictionary, REAL ESTATE is defined as:
    
    	"Land and whatever by nature or artificial annexation is a part of
    	it or is the means of its enjoyment, as minerals, trees, buildings,
    	fences, etc."
    
    Therefore, if it doesn't include the land it isn't REAL ESTATE.
    
    For example, a mobile home on a leased lot is considered CHATTEL, not
    REAL ESTATE.  Now your condo is not movable, so it's probably not chattel. 
    But it's also not real estate since it doesn't include the land (as I
    understand it).
    
    It is probably this distinction that is causing the problem.
    
    	Don (I-am-not-a-lawyer!)
1396.5Some condo land is ownedTYGER::GIBSONFri Mar 15 1991 14:337
    My condo deed includes land which is a footprint of the building plus
    two feet around the building. It could be purchased buy Homequity.
    However, we are responsible for the outside mainetenance of the
    building.
    
    Linda
    
1396.6Sometime last year, someone else started a topic ...YUPPIE::COLEProfitability is never having to say you're sorry!Fri Mar 15 1991 15:149
	... about this, either here or in SUBWAY::INVESTING. For the
life of me, I can't think of his name, or I'd have done a directory to
find it (sorry, full directories are only done midnight-5:00a!).

	He was trying to get back into Field Sales, and all that held him
up was Reloc's refusal to accept his condo due to the land lease.

	If I find it, I'll update the title string, unless someone else
remembers it first.
1396.7was the name .6 was looking for....SMOOT::ROTHFrom little acorns mighty oaks grow.Fri Mar 15 1991 15:421
Jerry Beeler?
1396.8Thanks, Lee! See 1050.* in here for Jerry's story.YUPPIE::COLEProfitability is never having to say you're sorry!Fri Mar 15 1991 20:240
1396.9Leased Lands, Lease expires ...AHIKER::EARLYBob Early T&N EIC /US-EISMon Mar 18 1991 08:5840
>           -< Sometime last year, someone else started a topic ... >-
>
>        ... about this, either here or in SUBWAY::INVESTING. For the
>life of me, I can't think of his name, or I'd have done a directory to
>find it (sorry, full directories are only done midnight-5:00a!).
>
>        If I find it, I'll update the title string, unless someone else
>remembers it first.

    As I understand it (based on personal experience), there are "at
    least" two variations on Condo Land.
    
    One type (the better) is that each condo owner has a covented right 
    and ownership to a non-specific portion of the total of the condo
    land, which is deeded as "<condo ownde land>".
    
    The latter type, which produces cheaper-to-buy condos, is that the
    land upon which the condos (or homes or trailers or whatever or
    timeshare vacation condos) is in fact "Leased from a 3rd party" for a
    finite period of time. At the end of that time, the Land Owner may,
    at their (however the Land Lease is worded) negotiate new terms for
    the land, whether its with the existing Condo owners .. or ...
    
    There is one such Condo I know of in Nashua, NH ,  and another
    in Sterling, Mass ... but there many others.
    
    The condo I lived in in Mass is of the first type, which is fully
    deeded, and the land is apportioned by percentage, bu no one owner
    can identify on square inch of land and say "thats Mine", as most
    homeowners can (i say most, because the Campground Association" in
    Sterling had a small house, and if ..if the Assocaition chose to find
    some member in violation, they could force a house  sale (like living
    in a trailer park, except the house isn't at all portable .. not with
    a larg field stone fireplace ..
    
    -BobE
    
    
    

1396.10buy your condo?CSC32::K_BOUCHARDKen Bouchard CXO3-2Tue Mar 19 1991 14:166
    I don't think that ownership of the land your home sits on matters. I
    may be wrong but mobile homes are eligible for third party purchase.
    The problem may be the individual third party vendor rules. I know that
    DEC deals with at least two: Prudential and HE.
    
    Ken