Conference 7.286::digital

   Suggestion heard in the Cafeteria last week. "Does this mean I should order
   a second screen for my workstation, so that I can run Xpostit, and keep
   electronic post-its on my screen..."
   
   
   It's a joke. folks, no flames....
   
   q
   

    One thing I found funny in one of the versions of the memo was:
    
    Not allowed to order:
    
    	Calendar - Cann't buy in Fy91/Fy92
    	Day Timer - Cann't buy in FY91
    
    	I expect a "calendar" (desk or whatever) is $2-$5 (for a "real good"
    one), a DayTimer refill is on the order of $20+.   Does this mean we
    should all order Daytimers in July to hold us over till July 92 ??
    }8-)}.
    
    Oh, the binder (that you need) for the DayTimer refill is between $12
    and $50 (for the smaller one).
    
    Does this make any sense at all.  (Perhaps the VP's NEED their
    DayTimers but not before July }8-)} )
    
    Bill
    
    

Re .0:

Comment from someone working in a less fortunate part of the company:

"No problem; we'll just take them from the offices of people that are laid off".
				/AHM

    I looked up the catalog list price of the "Weekly-Minder" calendar I
    use.  These are the slim black or brown books with one week on two
    facing pages, with a telephone directory in the back.
    
    The list price for quantity one was $7.   According to our secretary we
    actually pay about half price for these because we buy in bulk.  Except
    that now we can't buy them at any price.
    
    So I walked across the street to the new "Staples" office supply store
    and checked out their calendar books.  The same thing there costs, for
    quantity one, $4.98.
    
    Part of our cost center uses Post-its as a tool in the way they run QFD
    meetings.  They got special permission to buy Post-its for that.
    
    Is the day coming when engineers are going to be like plumbers and be
    expected to supply all their own tools to do the job?

    
    "Is the day coming that we will have to supply our own tools to do the
     Job"
    
    
    Why not? It's a small price to pay to insure you have a job! I do
    mostly, and the quality is better than DEC issue and saves the company
    as well...What's so wrong with that?
    
    There's one thing I learned at DEC, When we are doing good we all
    share, when times are tough, we all feel it. 
    
    DEC does not owe me a thing, every week my pay is there, I don't owe
    DEC either, I earn my salary..But I do owe DEC to do what's right for
    the company and think twice these days to help DEC be more profitable.
    
    Meaning make tons of money, after-all that's what it's all about. Our
    problem is simple... today the cost of business is higher than what we
    make...we must turn this around...FAST...not a monthor a year from now
    but today.
    
    Rick
    
    
    Rick

    Today, Post-It (tm) notes, tomorrow airline tickets.

    Re: .6:   ...tomorrow airline tickets:
    
    Chuckle:  read this (from the same memo):
    
        BUSINESS MEETINGS
        -----------------
        
        ELIMINATE ALL OUTSIDE BUSINESS MEETINGS/EVENTS           FY91
        UNLESS IN SUPPORT OF REVENUE GENERATION
        AND APPROVED BY THE REQUESTER'S VICE PRESIDENT
        /OPERATIONS COMMITTEE MEMBER.
        
        
        
        TRAVEL
        ------
        
        ELIMINATE ALL TRAVEL UNLESS IN SUPPORT OF REVENUE
        GENERATION AND COST CUTTING. UTILIZE NEWLY NEGOTIATED    FY91
        TRAVEL AGREEMENTS WITH AMERICAN EXPRESS.  FOLLOW
        TRAVEL GUIDELINES.                                  
    
    
    In some groups, travel requires VP approval...

 ... that we will cut our own throats and not know it.

 I wanted to put a smiley face on the above but some of this stuff goes
 way BEYOND reasonable.  Didn't these people hear Jack Smith when he said
 that some of the companies that became more cost efficient soon faded
 into the sunset?  We can tell stories forever but the bottom line is how
 do I do my job if I am spending time justifying my need for such items
 as Post-It's? 

 And I find that the travel authorization situation is another case of
 trying to fix the wrong problem.  If someone is traveling, doesn't their
 manager know?  I know that I tell MY manager when I need to make a trip.
 AND I have to have a good reason.  Why should someone three, four, or
 more levels up have to approve the trip when they have no idea of the
 day-to-day requirements of my job?  Isn't KO's philosophy to put the
 decision making as close as possible to the job?  The RIGHT problem is to
 have each manager look at who is traveling in their group and see if
 there is some way to reduce this travel without effecting the
 productivity of the group.  If this is not possible, then the travel is
 a needed expense just like the systems we use.

 One last rathole - one of the replies to this note said that maybe we
 should supply our own "tools".  This is what I did when I worked as a
 machinist.  However, it was also a known requirement before I took the
 job.  Right or wrong, the current job market assumes that the company
 will supply the "tools" for this job.  All I want is consistancy.  If I
 am to provide the "tools", then I would like a clear statement, not a
 bunch of memos from other departments saying that they can no longer
 supply a needed service/item because they are cutting their costs.
 Trying to fight these things one at a time is a waste.

 IMHO,
 Lee G.

	Isn't everything Digital does "in support of revenue generation"?
	If it isn't, why are we doing it?

	Now somebody might think that being trained on databases or
	designing new disk drives isn't "revenue generating". But it's
	not a matter of "yes or no", it's a matter of degree. And how
	soon the revenue comes in.

	I could go to the nearest pawnshop and hock my office furniture -
	that would "generate revenue" a lot faster than selling products.
	It's still a bad idea, and will be until the company is on the
	very edge of bankruptcy.

	/Tom

        Many weekly paychecks are bigger than the average airline
        ticket.

        We should require a VP signature on every pay check.

        Bob

    > We should require a VP signature on every pay check.
    
    Isn't there one?
    
    Edd

re Note 1296.11 by WEFXEM::COTE:

>     > We should require a VP signature on every pay check.
>     
>     Isn't there one?
  

        I mean a real, personally signed one, like on a travel
        authorization (or post-it authorization).

        Bob

    There's an (older) idea in the DELTA_IDEAS conference where an
    estimated 90� can be saved on each FAX message where, instead of a
    cover sheet, they use...  you guessed it -- Post-it notes.  Apparently,
    this idea is already in use in several facilities.  So now that cost-
    saving idea gets shot in the foot by another which will probably save
    less.
    
    Talk about penny wise, pound foolish.
    
    -  David

Assumption:

	Post-its are expensive, per sheet (square inch of paper).

Solution:

	All you need is small sheets of paper (3x5 pads)

	Scotch tape (sort of, sticks tighter than above)

	Solvent to disolve the Scotch tape residue

	and some scissors to cut them

	Oh and about an additional 5 seconds per replacement post-it
	to hang, clean up after, the equivalent.


All of the above may be purchased as of Dec 31 without signature.

Seems there is and easy (and I'll be MORE EXPENSIVE solution here }8-)}.


				Bill

re .14

Exactly!  You could collect all those items, do all those things, and come
up with a solution that *doesn't* do the job right.  Makes perfect sense
to ban an item that saves paper, aids communication and organization,
and is as indispensable to the average desk worker as paper clips, pens,
or copier paper ... doesn't it?

I understood the rest of the prohibitions ... most of them can be scrounged,
redistributed, reused, etc.  But not the lowly Post-It.  I, for one, will
probably be forced to bring in my own unless someone changes his mind.

I propose a new topic title:  Post-Its -- Practical and Necessary!

    Gee, I don't know if this should go here or under 1293, cost saving
    ideas....
    
    Oh well,
    
    One person in my office stopped using Post-it notes 95% and started
    using recycled flag pages from the LPS-40...
    
    On our LPS-40s (and many I have seen around the company) color pages
    are used as separator pages, which are quickly tossed out after the
    stack has been sorted.  He collects them, quarters them, and keeps a
    stack on his desk for jotting notes to himself.  On the rare occasion
    that he actually wanted to stick it to something, he either used tape
    or a Post-it...  Plus the color paper is used on both sides.
    
    As for using colored paper as flag pages....  well, I think we should
    use them as blank separators, then print the flag page on the first
    white page...
    
    cheers,
    jeff
    

RE: .10 & .11
	How about KO personnally signing the paychecks of everyone who
	gets payed some arbitrary mount per week (say $1500 = $78000/yr).
	How may weeks of writer's cramp would it take to reduce the number
	of such checks? ;^)

>    As for using colored paper as flag pages....  well, I think we should
>    use them as blank separators, then print the flag page on the first
>    white page...
    
And reuse the colored paper again as separators. Gosh this seems like a
great idea. Any reason we can't get the printserver40 software to go along
with this idea?

    Maybe 3M will retaliate and not buy VAX's, DECsystems, or DECstations
    until July 1991.

    re .8
    E X A C T L Y !
    --- flame on ----
    I don't know how many times this has been said before, but if DEC
    keeps the VP's busy with signing PO's for toilet paper, than the
    VP's just wouldn't be able to do a VP job.
    The manager down the chain who requests the PO for toilet paper uses
    all his/her energy and time to justify the PO, does a spread-sh...
    sorry SPREAD-SHEET analysis of average HEAD count versus eating habits
    .... etc. instead of doing his/her management job.
    ---- flame down ---
    Not only is this waste of time, it also demotivates the mangers
    (leader variant).
    /fred
     

Maybe they're planning to have more VPs, say a VP-in-charge-of-Post-its, etc.
They could use some transition folks to fill the spots.

	I worked at at (US) government site in a pre-DEC job.  When you could
get a pencil, you took as many as you could get your hands on because you
never knew how long it was going to be before more showed up.  The really
sharp folks hoarded office supplies, and there was a flourishing "black market"
in trading for what you needed.  Most of the "marker pens" were of such cheap
quality that they dried out or leaked.

	Ah yes, and the same was true for furniture.  "Fast Richard's Midnight
Furniture Emporium" was an enterprising employee who would take orders for
what you needed and ask you what you had to trade.  Some days later, the "trade"
item would be gone, and what you asked for was sitting in your office.  It 
was better not to ask any questions.

	Is this what we're headed for at DEC?

						--Doug

    OK, I give up I have to comment on this one.  I have been reading the
    mail and getting a kick out of some of the responses.
    
    First, I think I will open a part time business.  Just like the coffee
    wagons that come by the office.  I am going to convert a coffee wagon
    to a Office supplies wagon.  Get you pencil's, pens, and posties while
    you are on break.
    
    Now for the Black Market.  During the 22 years that I was in the Air
    Force some of the most fun I had was the deals I made to get what I
    needed to do the job.  Adds Creativity to your life.  Operation Petty
    Coat is a good training film to watch.
    
    I also remember when I first hired on in DEC (1970's) I worked in PK3.  
    Sundays was considered good shopping days for furniture to build up your 
    area.  Anything sitting around, that was not being used, was considered 
    fair game.  Now you know where that bookcase went.  Ha Ha
    
    All kidding aside, something needs to be done in this area.  A V.P.
    approval may or may not be the right approach but the abuse must stop. 
    I am sure that there are RAT holes all over the building that all of us
    work in stashed with suppies just in case.   
    
    The ones that make me hot are like a case I found in my building.  We
    were paying $95.00 for a box (10) of 3 1/4 inch floppies when you could
    go down to the local computer store and by the same box for under $20
    bucks.
    
    Some of the comments I heard when I called it to some folks attention
    was, its to much trouble to get your money back so I just order from
    the office supply catalog.
    
    Regards
    
    
    Bob
    
    

    I taught school for 5 years before coming to DEC.  I had $400 a year to
    cover everything that the 300 children who came through my room (music)
    every week would need.  That had to cover all supplies, paper, ditto
    paper, instrument repair, books, art supplies, etc.  It was a
    ridiculously low figure, but actually considered good compared to inner
    city schools who had no music budget in most places.
    
    When I first came to DEC, I was appalled at the waste - at people
    throwing away slash folders just because some old project name was
    written on the tab.  Some people were amused when I pulled them out of
    the trash and stuck file folder labels on them and used them over.  
    
    For the first couple of years, I remembered what the world looked like
    from a school teacher's point of view, but after 5 years at DEC, I too
    have gotten used to the endless availability of supplies, and have been
    a little lazier as the years have gone by about reusing things because
    I see people taking this abundance for granted all around me.
    
    In my heart, I was actually relieved at this cutback memo.  I know what
    I managed to do on $400/year for myself and 300 kids, and how much
    further I could have made another $100 go.  I know that when you have
    to think about supply and demand, you can almost always get your work
    done with less waste.
    
    I like post its as much as the next person, but the way I save them is
    to cut them (on the paper cutter) to the size I *really* need - often
    long narrow strips with just a little sticky stuff on one end.  I cut
    the square ones in thirds for flagging edits in long documents, and it
    works fine.
    
    We can be very effective and find a way to cut 20% of the supply waste
    if we just change our habits.  It won't hurt the overconsumption of
    resources on the planet, either ;-)
    
    Holly

    I have two pads of Post-its in my office, that were gifts.  I wonder
    what would happen if we started seeing lots of such Post-its around,
    with their little pre-printed messages that some might label
    "non-professional"?
    
    Dick

    The difference between the schoolteacher in .24 and the DECmemo is that
    the schoolteacher could decide how to spend her money, while the
    DECmemo says that you can't spend ten cents on Post-Its (tm), while you
    can spend a thousand bucks on other things that may make less sense.
    
    When the Central Planning authority tells you what to buy, where to get
    it from, and when, then the local management can't make its own
    decisions.  This system has been breaking down for years in the Soviet
    Union, where central authority can no longer deliver the goods, but
    there's no "money" (since the ruble is worthless).  Instead, the major
    currency-in-trade is "blat":  Influence and favors. 
    
    Since we will sometimes need Post-Its, toilet paper, etc., blat markets
    are sure to develop internally.  BTW, the Soviet programme to introduce
    local management and a market economy is called "Perestroika".  Digital
    seems to have hired some of the old apparatchiki from Gosplan as VPs.
       fred

    
    There is a point in the schoolteacher's argument. I am a cronic pen
    chewer and they insist on providing us with those plastic Artline felt 
    pens. I need help from Pen Chewer's Anonymous or something.
    
    I bite the end off and it dries out within a day. If Digital could 
    mount a programme to find all the cronic pen chewers and give us
    metal pens and teething rings, they could save an absolute fortune.
    A good Parker and a Nurseryland would go a long way to making us
    the competitive force we once woz. Are teething rings a tax deductible
    business expense?
    
    Of course, there are probably thousands of annoying work practises that
    are costing us heaps.
    
    John

    My dentist motivated me to stop pen and fingernail chewing when I
    needed several crowns in front...it's a pricy habit from the dental
    point of view!

The suggestion that we should make our own Post-It's instead of just
pulling one off of the block make me wonder about costs.

From the back of the envelope (well, actually the other window), I discovered
that a Dec worker-minute costs a bit under $1.00
	($100,000 / year / 250 days / 8 hours / 60 minutes)

If, following the previous reply, it only costs an extra 5 seconds to
assemble one of these fake Post-It's (and *no* supplies are actually
consumed), then each one costs Dec about 6 cents in lost productivity.

Making our own Post-It's sounds like it might just decrease our
productivity.

Martin.

>If, following the previous reply, it only costs an extra 5 seconds to
>assemble one of these fake Post-It's (and *no* supplies are actually
>consumed), then each one costs Dec about 6 cents in lost productivity.

Martin, but I don't agree with your logic on this one.

The fallacy of this argument is that it assumes that we are 100% productive.
(The fact that people spend time in this notes file belies that assumption.)

I once computed that the traffic light at the entrance to ZK was costing
DEC about $250,000 a year.  Assuming half the employees need to wait for
the light (I know I ALWAYS have to wait), you get 1500 employees x 1 minute
per day x 250 days per year = 375000 minutes per year = 6250 hours = about
3 man-years.  Can you believe it?

Really, it doesn't amount to anything on the bottom line because I still
get my work done in spite of losing a minute a day at the light.  Somewhere
the slack is made up.  Same with making your own post-its.

-steve-

    I keep a  pile of busywork handy for phone calls that are much more
    interesting to the person on the other end than to me ;-)
    
    Subdividing post-its into narrow strips (real ones) and punching notebook
    holes doesn't beep like typing on a terminal does...so I think I'm
    actually increasing my productivity!

    I submitted a DELTA suggestion using Post-ITs instead of fax cover
    sheets at a minimal savings to Digital of $1,250,000 per year. 
    Not only was it never adopted company-wide, we can no longer order
    Post-ITs specifically.  It really makes me wonder if just maybe
    Digital wants those of us who really get frustrated to just leave;
    because none of it makes any logical nor financial sense.
    
    Aileen 

    Aileen,
    
    Would you send me how you calculated the 1.25 million dollar savings to
    the company by using Post-It's.  I find it hard to beleive that the
    company can save that much money by buying pre-printed/pre-pasted forms
    from an outside company rather than taking a blank piece of paper,
    designing a SIMPLE cover sheet, and making multiple copies of it.
    
    My organization used to use a standard cover sheet but it is now
    suppose to use the POST-ITS.
    
    Thanks,
    
    Mike
    SENIOR::OSBORN
    

re Note 1296.33 by SENIOR::OSBORN:

>     Aileen,
>     
>     Would you send me how you calculated the 1.25 million dollar savings to
>     the company by using Post-It's.  I find it hard to beleive that the
>     company can save that much money by buying pre-printed/pre-pasted forms
>     from an outside company rather than taking a blank piece of paper,
>     designing a SIMPLE cover sheet, and making multiple copies of it.

        I assume because one less sheet gets transmitted, i.e., the
        transmission and FAX per-sheet expenses are reduced.

        Bob

re: .33:

I suspect most of the saving comes from lower telephone line charges
(and less fax-paper cost).

I don't know if this adds up to 1.2 Million = $5,500/day + or -.

Martin.

    I most definitely was NOT kidding!  My calculations are based upon
    total number of known fax machines worldwide, price per fax (lowest
    cost is $.45 per page) cost of paper.  This does not include worker
    productivity faxing thousands of sheets everyday, cost of reproduction
    paper, nor time of day line usage.  Most of you do not realize that
    there are more than 675 fax machines that were listed in the May
    1, 1990 Digital telephone directory.  All of my research was from
    the Digital Telephone directory, which also includes the cost of
    faxing.  When I first submitted my DELTA suggestion I chose a dollar
    amount of $250,000 off the top of my head.  When I actually did
    the calculations, I was shocked at what it costs to be creative
    with cover sheets.  I am also dismayed that Digital chooses to
    disregard my calculations and also disregard this tremendous cost
    savings.  I forwarded an 11 page package documenting all of my
    research.  Up until today I have only received copies of messages
    sent to different departments, without even a thanks but no thanks!
    If interested I gladly mail you a copy of what I submitted (at my
    expense).  My DTN is 334-2646 (212 820-0646).  Happy New Year to
    all.
    
    Sincerely Aileen D. Colin

How do you extrapolate from number of FAX machines to number of FAX messages?

    Each fax machine generates a log of transmissions and receipts for
    a specified number of days.  I took the log from a machine which
    is not considered busy and used those numbers.  Also my calculations
    are for the very minimal charges and does not include overseas charges
    which are up to $4.00 per PAGE which includes the infamous cover
    sheets.
    
    Aileen

How long does it take to transmit a page using today's FAX machines?
Doesn't it depend on the complexity of the information on the page?

I know you didn't include overseas, but that $4.00 per page number you've
got could only be valid when sending from the U.S. if it takes three or
more minutes to send a page -- which I don't think it does.

Maybe from certain countries with exorbitant phone rates, such as Germany,
you could spend $4.00 to send a really complicated page.  But from the U.S.,
the most expensive overseas call (not counting marine satellite service) is
about $2/minute during peak time.  To Europe DEC is spending around $1.00
per minute during peak time and within the U.S. DEC is spending only around
0.20 per minute peak time.

I'm assuming that your proposal involves getting specially printed very small
post-its that can be filled in with the recipient information and placed in
an otherwise blank spot on the first page of the document.

Remember that the cover page (especially if standardized cover pages are
used) reduces the work time at the destination for the FAX operator who
has to route the information.  Finding a small post-it spot on a received
document has a hidden cost, which may not be made up in the 5-10 cents of
transmission time and the 5 cent supply cost for the extra page at the
receiving end.

The real way to save money on FAX is to stop using it internally altogether.
Send the documents over the network.

/john

    John, you hit it right on.

    1. FAX DEC to customers, use DEC front page.

    2. FAX between DEC sites :

    		- big sites should have a postscript scanner ( what is the
    	 	  cost ??) and send documents over network. Quality will be
    		  better as well. What would be the lowest cost of this 
    		  arrangement.

    		- small site, use FAX as before.

    3. another alternative is to allow FAX for external information only and
    create "FAX centers" . This would have double benefit. One would make
    great profit creating these and then getting rid of them .-)


    			w

    3M has Post-Its made for faxing.  What did the world do before faxing
    became so popular.  It allows people to do things last minute because
    of the convenience of having it immediately.  If things were done
    in a timely manner with only an occassional fax, we would not be
    having this discussion.
    Aileen

    	What is the information we fax internally ? In my experience, it's
    the customers' documents or the stuff not available in electronic form,
    book's pages, etc. If we had an alternative to a fax sitting next to
    it, but using network, advantages are obvious, security, reliability,
    quality and possibly cost ( depends on cost of scanners etc).

    	Maybe real cost saver is not to use fax internally ?

    				wlodek

   While it's true that we are being "nickel-and-dimed" to death, it is also
   true that we need to cut back our expenses and to change the way we do
   business.  Why does it have to be so hard to take a little time to think
   about what we're doing and look for a slighly better way to do it?  If
   post-its are *SO* important to you, and you absolutely don't have any
   more or can't borrow any from your neighbor, get a piece of paper and a
   piece of scotch tape or a staple, or think of what you're really using
   the post-it for.  Similarly, for faxes.  Is using the fax machine for
   this errand the best way for right now?  Then use the fax machine.  But,
   if not, take a little time to think about what you really want and go do
   it.  Why are we spending so much time nit-picking each other to death
   instead of understanding what we want and just doing it?

   We're nitpicking ourselves to death.  Why do we have to make things so
   complicated for ourselves?


   							Terza

   P.S.-The change for the better has got to start somewhere.  I'm not going
   to wait for my management to give me solutions when I can see how many
   alternatives I really do have to make things better.

    	I tried using a postit as a cover sheet replacement.  The postit
    	popped off as the fax machine was pulling in the original.
    
    	Here at the Customer Support Center, I have seen FAX cover
    	sheets with ads for new support center features.  When we
    	use such a cover sheet sending something to a customer, they
    	not only get their info, but also get the ad (in this case for
    	DSNlink, which allows us to send files to customers via VAX MAIL.)
    
    	The cover sheet also looks alot more professional.
    
    	Joe Oppelt

    Does that include the cover sheets with the California Raisins,
    Bart Simpson (trademark infrigements?) or any number of creative
    sheets (I have copies) which are sent to customers.  At this point
    it really does not make any difference.  What I have found it that
    the Digital way is to complain but not make it better.  A.D.C.
    

    Interesting to see a post-it note (pun intended) develop into a
    discussion about the merit of fax machines.
    Unfortunately, I have to second some of Aileen's opinions.  I submitted
    several delta sugesstions.  On two of them I even got replys!  Negative
    replies of course.  
    Example: I suggested that we use half length fax cover sheets
    or, whenever possible, stamp an empty corner of the first page of the
    document with a field that allows all pertinent receiver/sender
    information to be filled in.  This requires the sender to make a 
    decision.  Stamp or use half page cover sheet.  It appears that this 
    just scared the living daylights out of the folks in charge of standards.  
    They seem to be more interested to make their standards enforcable than 
    to help saving money.  A solution would be "inconsistent" and "would not look
    professional".  
    Give me a break!  I thought that we are trying to save some money!
    The funny thing was that I got replies from folks in charge of fax
    operations that really liked the idea.  But I am afraid the standards
    folks will take care of that one too.
    
    Just my $.02
    Joerg 

I save fax costs by NOT using a cover sheet. I simply use one of the following
at the beginning of my text and use a highlight marker on the fax number. It 
also works for multiple addressees in the obvious way.

For VAX DOCUMENT, I use:

<running_title>(Comments  on draft minutes of 12-14 September 1989 SPARC 
meeting (X3/89-1465)\by Howard Kaikow)
<center_line>(FAX COVER SHEET)
<center_line>(Number of pages including cover sheet:)
<P>Date: 2 November 1989
<TABLE>
<TABLE_SETUP>(2\1)
<TABLE_ROW>(To:\Kate McMillan, X3 Secretariat, <Fax: 202 638 4922> USA)
<TABLE_ROW>(\J. Bruce Paterson, ICL, <Fax: 44 344 487832> United Kingdom)
<ENDTABLE>
<TABLE>
<TABLE_SETUP>(2\1)
<table_row>(cc:\Dara Hekimi, ECMA, <Fax: 41 22 7865231> Switzerland)
<table_row>(\Dara Hekimi, ECMA, <Fax: 41 22 7865231> Switzerland)
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<table_row>(From:\Howard Kaikow)
<table_row>(\SPARC Member)
<table_row>(\Digital Equipment Corporation)
<table_row>(\110 Spit Brook Road (ZKO3-4/Z09))
<table_row>(\Nashua, New Hampshire 03062)
<table_row>(\USA)
<table_row>(\Telephone (voice): 1 603 881 1122)
<table_row>(\Fax: 1 603 881 0120)
<table_row>(\Telex: 4430132 DIGITAL ACT)
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<table_row>(Subject:\Comments  on draft minutes of 12-14 September 1989 SPARC 
meeting (X3/89-1465))
<ENDTABLE>

For DSRPLUS, I use

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.indent-4;To:#J. Bruce Paterson, ICL, <Fax: 44 344 487832> United Kingdom
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.break;Digital Equipment Corporation
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.title Draft Proposed Revision to ANSI X3.27-1978
.subtitle Document number: X3L5/83-16T
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