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1238.1 | yes, there is a world outside of Massachusetts | SAHQ::CARNELLD | DTN 385-2901 David Carnell @ALF | Mon Oct 22 1990 09:28 | 8 |
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I believe I read elsewhere in this conference or in yet another
business publication that major corporations in Europe make it
mandatory for ALL executives above a certain level to spend significant
time in facilities in other countries BEFORE they move upward. Perhaps
Digital as a corporation should entertain such a requirement; or move
headquarters around the globe from year to year.
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1238.2 | Empower Yourself | WJOUSM::PAPPALARDO | | Mon Oct 22 1990 10:56 | 26 |
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RE:0
There's a few things you all can do in other countries.
@ Start your own News-Paper.
@ Stop receiving the Paper that adds no value to you, which will save
DEC money
@ If you feel you're treated un-fairly, then maybe you should work for
someone else.
I hear a lot of concern from people out-side the U.S. that they are'nt
included in the Dec-World, that DEC is self-centered from a U.S.
perspective, believe me when I tell you, the every-day worker is well
aware of the value you all bring, but if you want to make changes, and
I agree of what you all are saying, then "You" must implement rather
than complain. Until you do that, I'm sorry to say you'll never make
the changes.
I for one would like to know from a world-wide perspective other than
a U.S. what's going on over-seas as well
Rick
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1238.3 | Purpose of "digital today" | GBMMKT::MCMAHON | Carolyn McMahon | Mon Oct 22 1990 11:41 | 11 |
| I think "digital today" was supposed to be an U.S. Sales publication
only. Could be they send it outside the U.S. Area as an FYI to the
rest of Digital. I believe "digital today" was started as a substitute
for fancier, costlier, less timely publications that it replaced -
i.e., it was NOT an additional piece.
If you want clarification on this, contact Kent St.Vrain in OGO ( the
founder of "digital today") - he's in ELF.
Maybe the GIA and European Digital areas should start their own edition
of "digital today?!"
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1238.4 | | HERON::PERLA | Tony Perla | Mon Oct 22 1990 11:51 | 19 |
| I'd like to come at this question from another perspective. How many people in
non-American subsidiaries really understand Digital as an "American" company?
It is very difficult for a CEO to articulate a strategy/vision which can be
communicated properly, efficiently and expediently to all the individuals
working in multi-national companies.Language isnt the only barrier.
Culture is one as well, distance another.
Many very large multinationals make it a must to have done duty in the "mother"
country for its top executives. Understanding the local way of thinking does
wonders when it comes to interpreting policy a thousand kilometers away and
three levels of management distant from the source.
IBM goes one step further. It's HQ-office usually has two
executives, one always an American on rotation, the other a local individual
who has done service stateside.
Does this sound chauvinistic, or is it a worthwhile policy?
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1238.5 | re .2 | HERON::PERLA | Tony Perla | Mon Oct 22 1990 12:22 | 14 |
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You are right that complaining is the refuge of the impotent. It is also
a significant way of letting off pressure for an individual who thinks he or
she sees a wrong and suggests how to right it. Expressing either the wrong,
or how to right it, does not necessarily mean one can actually correct it.
In democracies, the right to complain is inherent (as in Conferences, I would
add). Mail to representatives is mostly complaints and is effective in allowing
them to sense the voter's pulse. It is also a right to vote towards effecting
change in democratic societies. Corporations are not democracies, however.
There is no right to vote change. This, indeed, is at the heart of the
complainer's frustration - the individual's powerlessness.
"Empower yourself" is a useless slogan unless the means exist.
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1238.6 | You Can Change It | CURIE::DIMAN | | Mon Oct 22 1990 17:53 | 37 |
| You in Australia are empowered to do something about 'digital today'.
Some suggestions:
Find out if you are paying a "corporate tax" to help pay for
Digital today.
- If you are - work with your financial people to reduce
the tax since you receive no benefit from the publication
or
- Insist on Australian space -(5% of digital today?) and
submit some local Australian articles to the editor
- If you are not:
consider it a freebee which just gives you
some ideas about what's going on in the U.S.
or
request cancellation of shipments to Australia
or
ask them to send something like a .PS file to save cost
on shipping paper
However, I do agree that it is insensitive of the editors
to make a pretense out of producing on "international" edition which
is not international.
d
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1238.7 | Maynard Last Week | LEMAN::DAVEED | What you get is how you do it | Mon Oct 22 1990 19:25 | 5 |
| FWIW the nickname for the newspaper in various non-Maynard locations
throughout the US is "Maynard Last Week". I think the problem is more
fundamental than whether it is international.
-dinesh.
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1238.8 | Points taken, thanks. | AUSSIE::BAKER | Everything is mutable,in its own way | Mon Oct 22 1990 21:56 | 23 |
| Ok,
point taken about the complaining. I merely wanted to open the issue
up for discussion since all too often a great part of the company is
ignored in communication. It is bogus to present yourself as an
international edition when you are plainly not. I have problems with
a company that states it is international and then does this. Either
proudly state we are "an American company operating internationally"
or "An International company based in the USA". The two are very
different, I have no problems with being part of either, as long as it
doesnt make the pretense of being what it isnt. A company that pretends
to be what it isnt cannot have respect from its customers or employees
in the long-term.
The issue here is mine to attempt to resolve, I'll start on that today,
after considering the feedback generated here. Hopefully people could
stop for a second before committing big dollars to something like
"digital today" and look at how the money could best be used to represent
the whole corporation, or decide what you are trying to communicate and
to whom.
regards,
John
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1238.9 | Only 2600 miles | DELREY::MEUSE_DA | | Tue Oct 23 1990 12:50 | 8 |
| John,
Don't feel bad, sometimes the folks on the west coast feel the same
way. "They do what back east?" "Is that the same Dec?"
Dave
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1238.10 | Please (sincerely), no "love it or leave it"'s | SVBEV::VECRUMBA | Do the right thing! | Tue Oct 23 1990 16:11 | 20 |
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re .2
> There's a few things you all can do in other countries.
> ...
> @ If you feel you're treated un-fairly, then maybe you should work for
> someone else.
Now and then I used to submit articles for our local newsletter, they
all got published -- no thanks to my literary prowess, though! So, later
on, when you suggest doing something about the problem, I agree.
I just wish you hadn't thrown in the "Digital: LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT",
I've really developed a bad attitude towards people who say that, plus
it's a little incongruous with the rest of your reply.
Remember, you don't have to love manufacturing in Massachusetts
(Westford, right?) to love DEC!
/Petes
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1238.11 | | AUSSIE::BAKER | Everything is mutable,in its own way | Tue Oct 23 1990 19:17 | 28 |
| r.e everybody
I received a telephone call from one of the senior people involved in
"digital today", by coincidence she was in Australia to give a training
course. I wont mention her name here.
Thanks to the person who forwarded my note to her, I do appreciate it.
We discussed the problems, usefulness and perceived value of the paper
and the realities of the cost of producing it. Also whether indeed it
is possible to produce a paper with worldwide appeal and if a paper is
indeed the best medium for distributing news to the Corporation at
large. There are much larger questions about who gets to own a concept
like this and how best to achieve its longer term aims. I'll concede
its new and this means it will require feedback to develop the idea.
Think I'll hold the fort on it and reappraise it in 3 months time.
Given the responsiveness and sympathetic ear my concerns received, I
dont think I'll follow the advice of Mr. .2 and "work for someone
else" just yet. This is always on any person's option list but I
think their could have been 50 things I could have done before it
really is that critical in this case, and that included "living with
it". The "if you dont like it, leave" syndrome is one of the reasons
why things are so hard to change in this company, people do leave all
the time Mr .2, others stay and make it better because they care. I had
one gripe, I'm sure everyone in the corp has one gripe, should we all
leave?
John
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1238.12 | just a thought | BIGUN::SIMPSON | end Management By Parable! | Sun Oct 28 1990 23:01 | 4 |
| John, perhaps Digitalk should expand its focus a bit and incorporate
those stories from Digipravda that are of general (international)
interest. That way we have our SPR publishing people handling this issue
and we get a more relevant magazine.
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1238.13 | I18N (with an s) not just for products. | AUSSIE::BAKER | Everything is mutable,in its own way | Mon Oct 29 1990 17:34 | 26 |
| r.e 1238.12 by BIGUN::SIMPSON
>John, perhaps Digitalk should expand its focus a bit and incorporate
>those stories from Digipravda that are of general (international)
>interest. That way we have our SPR publishing people handling this
>issue and we get a more relevant magazine.
I think this may be the only strategy, where locally produced magazines
pick up the relevent information. At least I read the local magazine,
it fits well with the character of the Corporation in this part of the
world and does pick up relevent worldwide communications when they
pertain to us (Digitalk is the SPR magazine).
I have seen the local mags from other areas of the world and they are
different in character and definitely reflect the issues and way of
communicating and doing business in the respective countries. The most
important thing is that they are well read by their user base. Even
major mass-market publications saw the need to tailor for local content
and produce different issues depending on where in the world you are.
I think on the whole David's suggestion may be the only effective way
of ensuring content that is relevent across the whole Corporation.
John
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1238.14 | | SDSVAX::SWEENEY | Patrick Sweeney in New York | Tue Jan 08 1991 08:16 | 1 |
| This seems to have ceased publication.
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