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Conference 7.286::digital

Title:The Digital way of working
Moderator:QUARK::LIONELON
Created:Fri Feb 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5321
Total number of notes:139771

1012.0. "Car Plan B depreciation" by BOSTON::DAGOSTINO () Sun Jan 21 1990 14:21

    Regarding the reimbursement details of Car Plan B:
    
    I understand that car plan B participants are reimbused $200 a month
    and .08 per mile for gas, maintenanace etc...
    
    Does this reimbursement pertain to depreciation ie the amount of time
    thepersonal car was used for business? I called fleet and they didn't
    have a notion.
    
    I remeber a pamphlet put out by fleet ( I think) that described the
    tax applicability of Car Plan B.
    
    Would anyone have that pamphlet and/or care to comment on the
    depreciation issue?
    
    Thanks
    
    Joe D.
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1012.1LAIDBK::FRIEDMAN_MIDon't be happy; worry.Sun Jan 21 1990 16:2127
    My understanding is that Fleet Administration adds the total
    of the $200/month payments to Box 10 on the employee's W-2
    Form.
    
    This is the worst possible place for Digital to report
    the $200/month, because now the employee has to pay
    taxes on it.  You cannot subtract the $200/month from
    your income because Form 2106 "Employee Business Expenses"
    says "Do _not_ include any amounts that were reported to you
    as wages in Box 10 of Form W-2."  The only way you could
    have subtracted the $200/month from your income is if
    Digital had separately identified the $200/month on Form
    W-2 as employee business expenses.
    
    It seems to me that the best you can do on Plan B is to take
    the difference between the IRS's allowed $0.255/mile and
    the $0.08/mile that Digital gives you and use that as an
    itemized deduction.  However, the deduction for employee
    business expenses is subject to the 2% floor:  You can
    only deduct that amount that exceeds 2% of your adjusted gross
    income.
    
    If someone knows a way that the Plan B $200/month can be
    "adjusted" out from one's income, I would be very interested
    in hearing how it can be done. 
    
    
1012.2It helps to have a good Tax Accountant...PERRYA::COLEMANI'm the NRAMon Jan 22 1990 10:0539
Well, I won't profess to be a Tax/Accounting expert, but I've been on Plan B
for almost six years now and have some experience with what goes on.  Basically,
you have two choices:

1) Use the 22.5�/mile - fairly straight-forward method, but may not help you.

2) Calculate business expenses as a function of the percentage of business 
miles.

I use #2 because it allows me to deduct x% (x% is calculated as Business Miles
divided by Total miles driven) of vehicle expenses.  Valid expenses include:

	a) Fuel charges
	b) Maintenance
	c) Insurance
	d) Registration/Inspection Fees
	e) Depreciation (different methods can be used to determine 
	   depreciation.)
	f) Others (I can't think of anything else off the top of head, but this
	   gives a general idea.)

Anyway, you need to get rid of the $2,400 that is added in box 10.  Let's say
that you drove a total of 18,000 miles for the year.  Of that, let's say that
6,000 miles were business (note that you *cannot* count commuting to primary
place of business as commuting mileage.)  In this case, your percentage of 
business use is 33.3%.  That means to offset the $2,400, you need to have at
least $7,200 total vehicle expenses.  

If you lease the vehicle as opposed to buying it, you may get some other 
advantages, but I'm not real sure.  My advice would be to find a good 
accountant and talk it over with him/her.  It is well worth it (and it's
still deductable!!!)  Also, bear in mind that to use method #2, you will need
to keep every receipt *and* have some documentation available regarding your
business use of the vehicle in case you ever get audited.  Again, an accountant
can help you with that.

I hope this is of some help.

Perry
1012.3Plan B is a JOKE....KYOA::CRAPAROTTAPhysical T5-Virtual T7Mon Jan 29 1990 08:167
    Although I always wanted to go on plan B, is just wasn't worth it in my
    circumstance... I really think that Digital doe not want you to go on
    Plan B.. It's probably more avantageous(sp) for Digital to have the
    write off.. The $$$ they give for plan B is a real joke...
    
    Joe
    
1012.4Bad News -- IRS Confirmed itLOUIS::GOEKEIf I only had a brain ...Wed Feb 28 1990 17:5120
   re: .1

>    This is the worst possible place for Digital to report
>    the $200/month, because now the employee has to pay
>    taxes on it.

   This is where the IRS requires Digital to put it.

>    If someone knows a way that the Plan B $200/month can be
>    "adjusted" out from one's income, I would be very interested
>    in hearing how it can be done. 

   I confirmed it with the IRS this morning.  You _have_ to report your employee
   business expense on Schedule A, Misc. Deductions section (subject to 2% AGI
   floor).  This is a change this year.  

   "No new taxes", eh?  They just got a few hundred dollars more out of all of
   us on Plan B!

   Gerry