| T.R | Title | User | Personal
Name | Date | Lines |
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| 988.1 | Ask your manager | CURIE::POPIENIUCK | | Tue Dec 26 1989 08:38 | 7 |
| I had a situation once exactly as you described. Presumably the reason
you did all the traveling was for business reasons and directed by
someone of higher authority. If so, I'd ask that "higher authority"
to cover the expense. (Or at least to split it.) In my case which was
exactly the same as yours, my CC manager was willing to pick up the
cost of the course fully. I think any good manager would see this as a
business tradeoff.
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| 988.2 | Pass for $$$ | CIVIC::FERRIGNO | | Tue Dec 26 1989 08:50 | 1 |
| You must pass a course in order for Digital to reimburse you.
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| 988.3 | ain't the way I heard it.... | MELKOR::KLEIN | | Tue Dec 26 1989 11:49 | 6 |
| Strange. I was reimbursed for my course fees and book costs as
soon as I was able to show that I had disbursed them. When the
course was complete, I simply had to give them a copy of my grade
report to close the file.
D. Paul
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| 988.4 | | CALL::SWEENEY | International House of Workstations | Tue Dec 26 1989 12:32 | 12 |
| According to my understanding of the letter of the law, an incomplete
that is later altered to a passing grade will meet the technical
requirement in order for you to be reimbursed.
Now as I see it, you failed to get a commitment from your management up
front that you would not be required by your job to screw up your
attendence at this course, and this point to a deeper problem: a lack
of planning and/or a lack of commitment to stick to the plan.
As an instructor, I am generous with incompletes but for a student that
attends only one or two classes (out of 10), I require that student to
attend six classes next semester and turn in the required homework.
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| 988.5 | Which was it? | SERENA::DONM | | Tue Dec 26 1989 13:03 | 19 |
| : I enrolled in a college course this semester, for which DEC paid the
: tuition and book costs. It was job related, (actually required).
:
The answer to your problem lies in the resolution of the apparent
contradiction above. Was it "career related", or was it "job
required"?
If your Application for Education and Training was completed
with "Job Required" checked, then you're off the hook. Pass, fail,
incomplete... doesn't matter, as long as you actually disbursed
the funds to the college.
If your application was completed as "Career Related", then
you probably owe the money, UNLESS your manager can be convinced
to come up with the $350 to cover you since it was his or her business
that caused you to fail or incomplete the course.
It's all very clear in the P&P.
-Don-
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| 988.6 | My understanding of the policy... | ULTRA::GONDA | DECelite: Pursuit of Knowledge, Wisdom, and Happiness. | Wed Dec 27 1989 13:20 | 21 |
| RE: .0, I was also under the impression similar to .-1 that for
an JOB required course the grade is not required. But have been
unable to confirm my understanding with the presonnel. I suggest
you read the ORANGEBOOK policies properly and ask for a person
who has clear understanding of the specific policy (and not depend
on somebody you think is just telling you their interpretation).
I had been told this by my previous management you I am not sure
that they were right either.
The section on GRADES says that grades should be satisfactory to
the standards of the institution if you are taking the course for
*ACADEMIC CREDIT*. Clearly it can be argued that you are not taking
this course for academic credit which I interpret as taking the
course for credits towards a degree progam. (If you are taking the
course for academic credit then by definition the course is career
related.) And so the GRADES section to me seems relevant only if
you are doing a career related course. BTW, just because you are
getting credit from the institute does not imply that you are getting
academic credit because you are not accruing it towards any degree
program (assuming this is the case).
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| 988.7 | problem resolved! | FSTTOO::BEAN | Attila the Hun was a LIBERAL! | Wed Dec 27 1989 16:30 | 14 |
| I have spoken with the instructor, and he understands my problem. He
has decided that he will give a "C". This relieves me of the problem I
was concerned about.
I agree, that since the course was "required"... and since I am not
enrolled in a degree seeking program, and since ... blah, blah, blah,
that *I* should not have to re-imburse DEC... but, since I was unable
to *find* the answer in the Orange Book, and virtually everybody I knew
had the opinion that I *had* to pass...or pay, I thought I'd check it out
here.
Thanks, one and all, for the suggestions.
tony
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| 988.8 | | PRAVDA::JACKSON | King Cynic | Thu Dec 28 1989 08:47 | 25 |
| RE: .6
Grades are "required" for all courses, it's just who requires them
that's different when the courses are classified.
On Job related, Petty cash wants to see the grade (passing of course!)
on the education form before they will dispnense the money.
On Job required, Petty cash wants to see the CC manager Signature on the
line that says "I approve of this course and have determined that this
employee has satisfactoraly completed all carreer related courses taken
during the most recent semester attended (if any) or has reimbursed
Digital for unsatisfactorily completed courses"
This means that the CC manager has checked the grades, and then Petty
Cash will then give you the money.
-bill
Who's turning one of the Education forms today, so I just happened
to have one handy
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