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912.1 | Promotions : Yes! | SLISST::VEALE | | Tue Sep 12 1989 12:55 | 5 |
| In St. Louis there have been promotions since the "freeze". One of
these promotions was of a delivery person. So at least in St. Louis
promotions are NOT tied to wages.
Ken
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912.2 | | COVERT::COVERT | John R. Covert | Tue Sep 12 1989 13:40 | 7 |
| In Engineering there have been promotions since the freeze (two in my group).
I thought the announcement specifically said that promotions would continue
as scheduled, and that salary reviews would continue as scheduled, but there
would simply be no salary increases during the freeze.
/john
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912.3 | | THEPIC::AINSLEY | Less than 150 kts. is TOO slow! | Tue Sep 12 1989 14:11 | 5 |
| Like a lot of things around here, the waqe freeze has been mis-interpreted.
I know of one person in our unit who should have had his performance review in
July. It still hasn't happened.
Bob
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912.4 | | VMSSG::NICHOLS | Herb - CSSE support for VMS | Tue Sep 12 1989 14:36 | 6 |
| I agree with all the comments. Do keep in mind that your manager may
simply be misinformed. My immediate reaction was to think "conspiracy"
It is much more likely to be simply misinformation/misinterpretation.
herb
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912.5 | | ARGUS::RICHARD | | Tue Sep 12 1989 15:30 | 12 |
| I don't know about promotions, but even though you did'nt get a
salary increase or promotion, did you at least get a P.A. (performance
appraisal)? A written P.A., when due, should have happened.
Getting nothing may be management's way of kicking your a** and telling
you what you're really worth. If you're interested in getting the
facts straight, then ask for a P.A.
If, on the other hand, you did get at least a P.A., and one that you
can agree with, then feel good that you ARE valued by your management
and they are being honest with you.
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912.6 | one group managers interpretation | CSSE::CACCIA | the REAL steve | Tue Sep 12 1989 16:19 | 25 |
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The way it has been explained to me by my management is:
promotions will continue if warranted
upgrades in level will continue if warranted,
transfer and/or relocation will continue as an as required with
approval basis,
wage increases will occur at scheduled interval PLUS end of freeze PLUS
length of freeze: ie. scheduled review is August (15mos. since last)
freeze officially ends October (add 2mos)
freeze started July (to October add 3mos)
total time time between last and next possible wage increase 20 MONTHS
for a six month freeze it would become 31 months between raises.
if your review period totally surrounds the freeze then your review
period is extended by the length of the freeze - whatever that may be.
(NOTE:::: these are just arbitrary numbers for this discussion only and in
no way reflect what may or may not actually happen.)
Like it has been stated elsewhere reviews transfers and promotions will
not stop nut they may be slowed a little. the only thing that stops is
the pay raise.
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912.7 | Your manager is WRONG | SMAUG::GARROD | An Englishman's mind works best when it is almost too late | Tue Sep 12 1989 16:27 | 10 |
| RE .0
Your manager is feeding you a line of bull****. It is perfectly
feasable to promote people. A manager can still submit an ECIF
specifying a promotion, the only thing that is prohibited at present
is submitting an ECIF that includes a salary change request. I'd
give your personnel person a call to get your manager straightened
out.
Dave
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912.8 | | COVERT::COVERT | John R. Covert | Tue Sep 12 1989 17:43 | 15 |
| > wage increases will occur at scheduled interval PLUS end of freeze PLUS
> length of freeze: ie. scheduled review is August (15mos. since last)
> freeze officially ends October (add 2mos)
> freeze started July (to October add 3mos)
> total time time between last and next possible wage increase 20 MONTHS
> for a six month freeze it would become 31 months between raises.
> if your review period totally surrounds the freeze then your review
> period is extended by the length of the freeze - whatever that may be.
The above is pure speculation.
The announcement from the Executive Committee specifically stated that what
would happen at the end of the freeze had not been determined at the time.
/john
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912.9 | maybe she would be below the new salary range? | DYO780::DYSERT | Barry - Custom Software Development | Tue Sep 12 1989 21:20 | 13 |
| Given that (at least in the Field) promotions do not trigger salary
increases, a promotion could certainly occur during a wage freeze
(as has been testified to several times already).
I'm wondering if getting promoted, though, would put Cindy (.0) below
the scale for the position she's getting promoted into? If that is the
case, then perhaps they can't promote her because they also aren't
allowed to have people earning below the scale.
(IMHO, this would be a smokescreen, too; they should still be able
to promote and then adjust her to within her range after the freeze.)
BD�
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912.10 | we all need to be valued | NUTMEG::SILVERBERG | | Wed Sep 13 1989 08:32 | 9 |
| I agree...the written info I got stated promotions are not effected
from an implementation point, just no salary modifications. In
these times, performance appraisals are not just scheduled and
performed as if there was no freeze, but should be considered
very important to insure employees know where they stand, how their
performance has been percieved, and if appropriate, how their
work is appreciated.
Mark
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912.11 | Speak up for your rights | PNO::KING | | Wed Sep 13 1989 18:17 | 13 |
| There is a tendency in DIGITAL for managers and supervisiors to tie
Salary Increases and Performanace Appraisals together. This is totally
aganist all Policies and Procedures in the Corp.
A Performance Appraisal "should" be given to each Employee a Min. of
every 12 months. The Appraisal also should be given each time there
is a change in Manager or Supervisors.
Managers and supervisiors do not like to write Performance Appraisals,
They use excuses like the pay Freeze or the extended pay increase
times (from 12 mo. to 15 and 18 mo.) to avoid writting Performance
Appraisals. Don't let them get away with this, Speak up!!!!!!
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912.12 | Official MEM statement | SMAUG::GARROD | An Englishman's mind works best when it is almost too late | Wed Sep 13 1989 19:16 | 103 |
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Attached is an OFFICIAL memo from MEM Compensation and Benefits.
It clearly states what is and what is not allowed during the salary
delay. I am an engineering supervisor and I received this message
from my personnel rep so I take what is in it as gospel.
Dave
PS To the notes police/paranoids (you know who you are). This memo
was not tagged 'Restricted Distribution', 'Digital Personal',
'Digital Confidential' or even 'Digital Internal Use Only'. I
assume it is 'Digital Internal Use Only'. If it was meant to
be more restricted than that it should say so. I am using my
common sense in posting it hear for viewing by ALL Digital
employees. By default anything in this notesfile is
'Digital Internal Use Only' so anybody who distributes it
outside the company should deservably be fired.
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! d ! i ! g ! i ! t ! a ! l ! I N T E R O F F I C E
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TO: MEM Comp Mgrs DATE: 29 June 1989
FROM: Kathy Acierno/Larry Plutnicki
DEPT: MEM Comp & Benefits
EXT: 223-9348/4573
LOC/MS: MLO1-5/A98
Subject: FY90 Salary Program Delay
As you well know the salary delay starts on Monday, July 3rd. There have been
several questions raised over the past few weeks related to it. Please review
the following and let us know if you have any further questions:
Promotions ----------------------------------
We expect that during the delay period employees will be changing jobs and
receiving promotions. If the employees' work has changed and a promotion is
justified then the job code change may be made during the delay period.
However no increases may be processed for these employees during the delay.
During the next salary planning process increases may be planned for these
employees (along with all other people) within the constraints of the increase
budgets for your groups and they may receive their increases when the delay is
lifted and the program starts up again. Also be aware that although these
promotions may have occurred during the delay period, there will be no
retroactivity allowed for their increases. The earliest a person may be
granted an increase is the first month of the program re-start. However this
must consider that the frequency metric (not a guideline this time) will be 12
months plus the length of the delay for your organization.
Secondly, we will be monitoring promotional activity during the delay period.
It has been agreed that the promotion metric for the year will be 15% for
exempts and 20% for non-exempts, unless the organization has an approved
manpower plan that justifies a higher internal promotional need. Since the
period of the delay is yet unknown we will be reviewing our actual promotional
experience to set guidelines for each quarter.
Retroactive Increases -------------------------------
On July 3rd, no increases of any kind will be able to be input through the Paws
stations. Since the first communication, people have been aware of the
importance of processing June reviews on time and we fully expect that all will
have been processed by that time. However, we do realize that there will be
extraordinary situations where a June plan was missed and that in fairness to
employees they should be processed. If you should have one of these cases the
following process should be followed:
The following documents should be sent to Larry Plutnicki for exempt, or Kathy
Acierno for non-exempt:
1) The original Employee Data Change Form with the normal approval signatures
(a copy should be retained by the appropriate PSA).
2) A copy of the approved performance appraisal form.
3) A short memo indicating the reason for retroactivity to June and approved by
the appropriate Group Personnel Manager.
Please be aware of the following when considering applying for this:
A) There must have been a plan in place.
B) The organization's overall final spending had to be within their approved
FY89 plan.
When approved by MEM compensation the documentation will be forwarded to
Corporate Compensation to be centrally processed in Personnal Administration.
Personnel Administration will notify the PSA when the increase is processed.
None of the submitted paperwork will be sent back to you, thus please keep
copies of the paperwork submitted.
The above process will end on July 28th, no retroactivity will be allowed
beyond that date.
Please let us know if you have any questions.
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912.13 | FWIW | EAGLE1::BRUNNER | VAX & MIPS Architecture | Wed Sep 13 1989 22:53 | 3 |
| I recently got promoted. Personnel and management told me the reason
I was allowed to be promoted was because my current salary was within
the range of the level I was being promoted into.
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912.14 | UK OK | WAR750::PAINTER | Philip Painter @OLO | Sat Sep 16 1989 06:41 | 4 |
| Here in UK promotions are going apace. Two colleagues in my unit
were recently promoted.
Philip.
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912.15 | | COVERT::COVERT | John R. Covert | Sat Sep 16 1989 09:45 | 4 |
| re .14
I don't think anyone is surprised that promotions are continuing in the U.K.,
since salary increases are moving right along there, too.
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912.16 | promises, promises... | RAVEN1::DANDREA | I shot the Deputy... | Wed Oct 18 1989 16:08 | 12 |
| RE: basenote....
I was curious; you said you were "scheduled" for a promotion. When I
have done my annual salary planning for my group, I "planned"
promotions where appropriate, but I NEVER informed the employee being
promoted until review time, and the review was signed by all approvers.
I guess I'm curious as to how you know you were to be promoted. Given
the volatility of this business, I find the situation where a manager
makes promises he/she can't keep totally unacceptable. I hope that is
not what happened to you!
Steve
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