Conference 7.286::digital

        Today, Digital leases the BUO facility.  Digital has the
        option of purchasing the facility.
        
        To the best of my knowledge, no decision has been made
        as to what will happen to the facility.  However, there
        are several groups (mine, for example), that will NOT be
        going to the new Corporate Education Center (and it was
        never planned that we would go there).
        
Jim Stratton
        

    Is the move to Boylston still on?  I haven't seen anything on a ground
    breaking.
    
    Marge

    What groups are moving to Boylston. Are these cutomer or employee
    ed. centers. Where in Boylston is this center going to be located.
    Just curious, I was one time resident of Boylston.

	Boylston will have both employee and customer training.

	Most delivery groups will move to Boylston.  Many support
	groups (like Jim's) will not.

	The property is at the corner of Rtes 140 and 70, where the
	Headmaster's House is located.

	The groundbreaking is scheduled for July, 1989, and occupancy
	for Spring, 1991.

	As Jim said, the future of BUO is still to be determined.
Frank

    As reported in the Worcester T&G, Boylston could not support the
    proposed facility's sewage needs. DEC made a deal with the city of
    Worcester that involved Digital paying for the upgrade of the pumping
    station near Lake Quinsigamond. I think that money is already commited
    and would be a loss if the construction didn't take place.
    
    Bob Mc

From:	NAME: ANN S. HURD                   
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	TEL: 297-7415             <HURD.ANN AT A1 AT MCIS3 AT MRO>
Date:	15-Aug-1989
Posted-date: 15-Aug-1989
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Subject: ATTACHED MEMO ON BOYLSTON PROJECT

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The attached memo on the Boylston project was sent to all Digital employees 
living in Boylston this afternoon.  Call if you have any questions.

Ann

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From:	NAME: ANN S. HURD                   
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Date:	15-Aug-1989
Posted-date: 15-Aug-1989
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Subject: BOYLSTON PROJECT UPDATE

To:	See Below

I thought it might be helpful to give you an update on the status 
of the Corporate Education Center (CEC) project in Boylston.

We were very pleased with the outcome of the Special Town Meeting 
on June 5.  The positive votes on the two warrant articles 
authorizing the Board of Selectmen to enter into an agreement to 
contract with the Upper Blackstone Water Pollution Abatement 
District on Digital's behalf were critical for the project.  

Since the Special Town Meeting, however, several events have 
occurred which have delayed the project.  Most significant was 
the denial of the Order of Conditions by the Boylston 
Conservation Commission.  Although the denial was issued on the 
basis of "insufficient information," we believed that we had 
provided adequate, thorough and well-documented technical 
information.  In addition, we were also concerned that the 
proposed Order of Conditions drafted for adoption by the 
Conservation Commission and read to the project team at a 
Commission meeting included several conditions which exceeded its 
jurisdiction.  

For these reasons, the decision was made to file an appeal with 
the state Department of Environmental Protection (formerly DEQE) 
asking them to review and evaluate our submissions and issue a 
superseding order of conditions.  This appeal process can take 
several months.  It was clear that we could not begin site work 
as planned this July.

Facing this delay, several business decisions had to be made.  
First, Digital will continue the process to obtain all necessary 
permits for the Boylston site.  The architectural and engineering 
firms, however, have been put on hold, and the construction bids 
received for the construction of the CEC have been released.  

We are very disappointed with the delay because the decision to 
expand the Boylston site to accommodate the CEC was driven by a 
real business need.  Because that need is still there, we are 
currently evaluating alternative sites for the CEC.  At this 
juncture, we cannot say categorically that even with all permits 
in hand, we will proceed with the project in Boylston.

At a meeting last night, the Board of Selectmen indicated that 
the "Concerned Citizens of Boylston" had submitted a petition to 
call another Special Town Meeting and place an article on that 
warrant that would "rescind" the votes taken at the June 5 
meeting.  The petition has been validated, and a Special Town 
Meeting has been scheduled for September 25.  

We are working with the Board of Selectmen to resolve outstanding 
issues with the Town and are hopeful of reaching agreement on 
them before that meeting.  I will keep you posted--and, of 
course, feel free to call if you have any questions.

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    In the Friday, March 23, 1990 Worcester Telegram and Gazette, a banner
    headline proclaims, "DEC dumps Boylston project".

    The reasons ranged from the fact that Boylston's boards and commissions
    are part-time and couldn't keep up with our "fast-track pace" to some
    group called Concerned Citizens for Boylston who apparently didn't want
    it to go through.

    Neal D. Hannon, manager of corporate real estate for DEC stated that
    "the decision not to build in Boylston has nothing to do with the
    slowdown" in the computer industry and DEC.

    While DEC looks at other sites in New England, including New Hampshire,
    the plans for the "2.3-million-square-foot center" are on hold.

    The ever-obsequious mayor of Worcester, Jordan Levy, is already trying
    to encourage DEC to come to his city, instead.

    -joe tomkowitz

    OK, let's dump Boylston and move to Colorado. The Colorado Springs
    training center is now moving from CXO3 to CXN2. This new and 
    roomy facility can handle more of the software training courses that
    CXO has been offering to the field for some time now. There was a
    master plan made up for the site that called for a CXN3 building.
    Let's build it in a city that WANTS it, let's expand on a good thing
    and get out of the 128 belt-line. If CXN3 is built, it could start
    hardware training here in Colorado in a grand scale. 
    
    	Selling Colorado
    	Greg
    

    AMEN! Here's another vote for a centralized training facility in
    Colo.And I don't even live there!
    
    Ken

If DEC is going to have a centralized training facility then it should
be in a place like Chicago that is easy to get to.  Springs is
a real pain to fly to.  

John

	... Orlando!

    ... about halfway down Bourbon St would be nice...
    
    /harley

    Isn't there plenty of land to be had just South of Denver? You can fly
    to Stapleton from anywhere and you don't have the horrendous traffic
    you get around O'Hare.PLUS,Colo. spgs. and all it's support facilities
    are right down the road. Makes too much sense to put training there
    though...the higher-ups would never go for it.
    
    Ken

    I hear there is a (soon to be) (almost) empty building in
    Phoenix.

    Seriously though. What about other costs? How many people
    trained in Bedford are day students (ie. They go home rather
    then to a hotel after class.) How does that compare with how
    many would be day students somewhere else? If you figure in
    travel and other related costs I wonder if placing the main
    training center (for employees at least) outside of NNE makes 
    economic sense. Does anyone have real numbers to play with? I
    would hope someone would do a serious cost analysis.

    For either customers or employees you still have to figure on
    how easy is the place to get to (airports, roads, etc) and
    if there are enough local accommodations for people coming to
    stay. Now it may make sense to make more use of other (than NNE)
    locations but somehow I doubt that it would be cost effective to
    move the majority of employee training away from where the majority
    of employees to be trained are. Especially right now it seems
    to me that where we are trying to move people out of NNE we should
    at least train them here and then ship them out. Not the other way
    around.

    			Alfred

    Leominster, Mass.  at the intersection of I-190 & Rt. 117...new hotels
    & resturants in the area, access from I-190, Rt. 12, Rt. 117, Rt. 2,
    Rt. 495, 25 minutes from Worcester Airport, 300 acres of open land
    zoned light-industry...just right for a clean enterprise like training.
    
    Mark (member of Leominster Land Use Committee)
    

    Re: .16:   300 acres...just right for a clean enterprise like training.
    
    Or... a shopping mall.   (Isn't that the site that Pyramid is looking
    at?)
    
    Anyway, the Boylston site thing made it into Electronic News too
    (26-Mar, p. 13).

RE: .16
>    Leominster, Mass.  at the intersection of I-190 & Rt. 117...new hotels
>    & resturants in the area, access from I-190, Rt. 12, Rt. 117, Rt. 2,
>    Rt. 495, 25 minutes from Worcester Airport, 300 acres of open land
>    zoned light-industry...just right for a clean enterprise like training.
    
For those of us who are fortunate enough not to pay MA taxes, how far
away is the nearest Airport with direct flights to the 20 largest cities
in the U.S. and how much would a cab ride cost?

John

    The trip to the CSC in Colorado Springs is always a plus for both
    customers and Field engineers. As we move more and more to remote
    diagnosis and automated call logging (SSP on Vax 9000) the center
    is a larger part of all of our lifes. The training center in the
    metro Denver area or Colorado Springs area would allow customers
    and field personal to visit this site. Sometimes engineers come
    out and man the phones for a week or two just to see how the center
    works. Something about walking a mile in their moccasins.
    
    People coming from Europe often try and make it out here to Colorado
    to see the center in this country. They may get back to the east
    coast for 3 weeks of training and then off to Colorado for a week.
    
    I admit there are some drawbacks to Colorado. Skiing on the weekends,
    blue sky, no traffic, inexpensive housing, not having to look both
    ways when crossing a one way street (Boston anyone?), rodeos, hiking,
    river rafting, the drawbacks go on and on. 
    
    	Living and Loving in Colorful Colorado
    	Greg

    Of course, this discussion is really just mental masturbation
    in light of the announcement that the Lancaster R&D center
    will not be built due to 'business issues'. That makes 2 new
    facilities squashed. Anyone heard of any others being put 
    "on hold'?
    
    Bob Mc

    Not to mention the oxygen depravation headaches for the first couple of
    days and the dehydration.
    
    (For us flatlanders, that is)
    
    /s/ Jim Williams

    While Colorado Springs is BEAUTIFUL, it is expensive to get to.  A
    round trip plane ticket from San Diego is 50% to Colorado Springs than
    it is to Boston (that's with all the discounts, non-refundable, etc). 
    And as mentioned earlier, just how many of the people who attend
    classes in Bedford really have to travel far to get there.  If all
    those classes were held elsewhere I suspect that a LOT more travel
    would be involved.  EXPENSE will drive the issue.

	Despite what all of you may think, we do not have our heads in
	the sand!

	I have been on the COmmittee for a new Training Center for
2 years, and I can tell you that a lot of reasearch has gone into where 
do the students come from (most employee students ARE day students), 
where are there airports with good connections, hotels, etc. etc. etc.

	The plans for Boylston were drawn up carefullly to take all that
into account.  Worcester airport is planning a major expansion soon.

	When Boylston began to look shaky and the decision was made to 
look for alternative sites, all new research was done.  The possibility 
of locating outside of N.E was considered but rejected, because the 
majority of our students sitll come from N.E.  However, thought is being 
given to having substantial regional training centers, but with a main 
center still in New ENgland.

	Sudies have shown that it is more expensive to retrofit an
existing building for quality classrooms than to build a new one
(assuming you already own the land).  Therefore, I would not expect
to see Ed Services moving into some shell in the Greater Maynard Area,
though I do understand there are some available

	Things have changed a lot in the last two years, in terms
of how our employees are situated and in terms of how training is
being used and implemented.  Training is increasingly being used
as a marketing tool and there are some joint efforts between Ed
Services and the Marketing world.  One of the thoughts is to build
a training and events center so that things like DECworld can be
held in a Digital facility.

	These days are not the best ones to go to the Board and ask for
big bucks to build a new facility, however, so I would not expect
to see anything in the immediate future.


Frank

	Isn't there a bunch of open space in the Merrimack, N.H. plant?

							mike

|#u    	RE: .24 Re-read .23 Mike. Retro fitting existing space is
    MORE costly than building from scratch. If the space you are
    referring to at MKO is the property (rather than a building) that
    could be a problem. The town has expressed displeasure at DEC
    building more there in the past. I doubt they'd give the ok
    for a new building now.

    BTW, elementary school class rooms run $70-100,000 a pop. I
    expect what we need would run a bit more. To say nothing of
    labs and other support space. Lots of money to spend these
    days.

    		Alfred

    BTW, MKO has been rebuilt inside once. It was designed originally
    for manufacturing but never (I don't think) used that way.

RE: .25

	I was just stating what I heard..

							mike

    
>    
>For those of us who are fortunate enough not to pay MA taxes, how far
>away is the nearest Airport with direct flights to the 20 largest cities
>in the U.S. and how much would a cab ride cost?
>
    I hope you say this in jest.  Contrary to public opinion and in the 
    opinion of those non-NE employees, the airport is the least enjoyable
    aspect of training in Boston.  I even once tried Worchester and got
    lost trying to miss my plane.

re: .27
>>For those of us who are fortunate enough not to pay MA taxes, how far
>>away is the nearest Airport with direct flights to the 20 largest cities
>>in the U.S. and how much would a cab ride cost?
>>
>    I hope you say this in jest.  Contrary to public opinion and in the 
>    opinion of those non-NE employees, the airport is the least enjoyable
>    aspect of training in Boston.  I even once tried Worchester and got
>    lost trying to miss my plane.

I was dead serious.  It would be silly to put a centralized training 
facility in a location where it is difficult to get for everyone except
for the residents the People's Socialist Republic of NE.

John

    
>I was dead serious.  It would be silly to put a centralized training 
>facility in a location where it is difficult to get for everyone except
>for the residents the People's Socialist Republic of NE.
    
    It's not only hard to get there by plane, how about those drivers. ;->
    
    

    I just left a meeting, conducted by Bob Good, where it was anounced
    (confirming some recent rumours) that Ed Services in Bedford is moving.
    
    The move will be to Parker Street.  PKO3 to be exact.  The current
    lease on the Bedford facility ends on Dec. 31, 1991, and the move is
    expected to occur between then and 18 months from NOW.
    
    A complete renovation of the second floor of PKO3, and its cafeteria
    was mentioned as being included.  
    
    He also stated that there will (obviously) be a "domino effect" which
    will necessitate moving many of the current occupants of PKO3
    elsewhere.  The "elsewhere" was not specified.
    
    Questions, such as "where will students reside while in training in
    Maynard?" were fielded with 'we're working on that... ' sort of answer,
    followed by the statement that the question has been given considerable
    consideration and that a survey was recently done of customers who are
    training in Bedford, and that, of those surveyed, the distance to local
    accomodations was FAR down the list.  
    
    Other questions, such as "are ALL the Bedford employees going" ...
    answers indicated probably yes; "will there be a change in total Ed
    Services headcount there (from what it is now, here)?" got a statement
    that the next year budget calls for flat growth, with an emphasis on
    "normal attrition".
    
    Several options, including a long rumoured move to Merrimack, NH and
    even purchasing the Bedford facility were decided against.
    
    So, unless things change (it never is written in stone, is it?), the
    facility at BUO will probably close its doors in the near future and
    relocate to PKO.
    
    tony

	... since my first classes with DEC in '76 were in PKO2!
Lordy, I haven't been to PKO in YEARS!!!

    I've been avoiding taking training courses in Bedford the last several
    years because of the horrendous traffic jams getting in and out of
    there - Parker Street can't be worse than that, can it?
    
    /Charlotte

Customers will like going to training in Maynard.

	... means less traffic, but if I remember correctly, isn't
there one of the infamous "rotarys" near PKO?  I could always find
a back way out of BUO, but you could die of old age in a rotary! :>)

    No, the rotary was taken out a couple of years ago and replaced
    with a system of lights. Works fairly well, better than the 
    rotary.
    
    Jim C.
    

    
    No problem with traffic there at all, really. Good move. PK03 has
    lots of floor space. 

    rep .30
    
    Doesn't Rosie still own all those places in Maynard?? 
    
    Ahhhh, I remember Crubury Court well.............
    
    

Some of my fondest memories of training come from Parker Street... the 
VMS System Seminar in 1981 taught by Ruth Goldenberg and other 
"legends" in VMS. I really liked being in the GMA for training, and 
would love to go to more there sometime.

Arlan

    Office Applications, part of EdServices, resides at PKO3.  There are
    eight classrooms here, with training for DECcies, although occaissional
    customers do arrive for training.
    
    Training includes ALL-IN-1, MAILbus, DOS, E-pubs, and other software
    relating to office use.
    
    Bo

re: .30:

Perhaps "distance to accomodations" wasn't a factor because there are many
decent hotels close to Bedford.  Also, because it's near Rt 128 and I-93,
it "seems" close to Boston.  Surveys are funny creatures: people don't
notice things that work well.

Martin
(whose first classes were in the parochial school and how survived Rosies.)

>    No problem with traffic there at all, really. Good move. PK03 has
>    lots of floor space.

    Tell that to the folks getting kicked out to make way...

    Mike (whose wife's group is going to be moved for the third time in
    two years)

Re: .30, .37

Rosies! What memories! Used to stay there and catch a shuttle to PKO2
for classes... watched B&W TV with a coat-hanger antenna... could look
out the back and see the 'mighty Assabet'... Torys  (now T.C. Landos
uptown)... tramping through the mill at night...

Re: Classes moving to PKO

Maybe we're going back to our roots. About time.

Lee

    Can't wait t'ill training moves back to bldg. 11 in the Mill. Then
    we'll *really* be back at our roots.
    
    Ken

    	Lodging -- 
    
    	Maybe HJ on rt 2?  Actually, when people travel from my
    	group here in CXO to BUO, they often stay in Concord.  (Our
    	group won't spring for Stouffers.)  Concord is not that
    	far from PKO.
    
    	Joe Oppelt

    
    
    
    other reasonably ;-)n close lodging would be * could be
    
    Sheraton Boxboro (20 minutes)
    Holiday Inn  Marlboro (20/30 minutes)
    Sheraton Tara Framingham (45 minutes)
    Some new place on Rt 20 in marlboro (20/30 minutes)
    Colonial Motel Concord (20 minutes)
    Maynard Motel Acton (15 minutes)
    
    All times approximate and vary according to your driving habits,
    traffic conditions, the weather, and the whim of the gouvenor.     

    RE: .45: "Some new place on Rt 20 in marlboro" probably refers to the
    Park West Hotel.  I've heard good things about it.  Plus, it seems
    they're building new places in Marlboro every day.  So...it's really
    not THAT bad on lodging.  Certainly better than the traffic at Bedford,
    IMHO.
    
    

    
    Ah yes - the Holiday Inn in Marlboro. While attending the VMS System
    Seminar in '82 (at PKO, of course) someone tried to steal my 2 week old
    Trans AM in the parking lot. Ever tried getting a car, which most
    dealers haven't even gotten their first one of, fixed 300 miles away
    from home? Kinda reminded me of our Field Service - the Service manager
    at the dealer it got towed to (they screwed it up well enough that it
    wouldn't start!) said, and I quote, "Gee, this is our first chance to
    work on one of these, wonder if we have any parts...".
    
    Never drove to GMA again!
    
    Actually kind of sad to see BUO shutdown. I attended my first class
    there back in, I guess, '78. It had only been open about 2 weeks and
    they were somewhat disorganized (even more than today!). Such fond
    memories of doing RSX-11M sysgen after sysgen on an PDP-11/60 for the
    entire weekend between the two weeks of class. Those were the days -
    took real guts to install a system :-)
    
    What memories...
    
    -Ray
    
    (guess I'm getting older than I realized - should have grand kids
    around the knees for these, huh? Maybe it's the sword hanging over
    everyone's heads that make it's easy to look back...)

Yup, 1978. I attended a class the final week that classes were held in
PKO2 before the move to BUO. RP02/RP03/RP11C class. Halls were loaded
with boxes of books & prints being trashed.

I got two giant magnets out of an RP02 positioner that was being raped.
Had an interesting (but successful) time figuring out how to get them
home on the airplane without erasing my RK05 pack or boogering up
somthing on the airplane.

Those were the days.

Today is/are the daze.

Lee

    RE: Several.
    
    	Well, I attended PK2 back in 1973, but then I lived out east
    and worked in Westminster. Never had the chance to visit Rosies
    but heard plenty of stories. It would have been an experiance to
    attend training in the Mill. 
    
    	Worked in PK3-2 from 1977 to 1979 when I moved to Colorado. 
    At times you could NOT find a parking spot if you arrived after
    08:30 in the morning. Remember the speed bumps? 
    
    	I've been back to Bedford for several classes and always had
    trouble getting in or out of the place. 
    
    	I'm now living in Colorado Springs and CXN2 does a lot of software
    classes. Would be nice to see some Hardware classes being taught here
    but, it's always been put down by someone. 
    
    	Back to work. 
    	Greg

Fond memories in the late 70's and early 80's...

Of going to Bedford every year for two weeks of training.  I knew a couple 
of instructors who enjoyed working odd hours and playing in the labs.  In 
the field we just didn't have access to computer resources at all in those 
days.  The Bedford lab was the next best place to heaven, and we'd 
spend the nights and all weekend DECnet-ing together every lab system we 
could and then transferring data all over...  I learned as much (or more)
after hours as I did in the training courses.

Anybody remember TJ's (or was it JT's?) in Sudbury, where you could get all 
the lobster you could eat for something like $14 or $17?  We'd get a whole 
group together and go there and eat lobster for four or five hours 
straight.  No wonder the place went out of business... ;')

Steve

    Re .50
    
    	I was JT's.  I think it was my husband that made them go out of
    business, single handedly.  He could easily eat 14 lobsters in one
    sitting.  The trick is not to drink anything except water or iced tea
    (not the long island variety), until well at the end of your meal.
    
    	Too bad it went under.  That place was THE BEST!
    
    					Kathy

	It was "JT's Shore Buffet", Rt20 in Sudbury.  Best money I ever spent 
on food!

The eminent domain process has started.
The town meeting is 2-Feb-97 ( I think ) to vote on the
go ahead to spend the ~2.4m needed to take the land.
Two different commercial property appraisers have set a value that
the town will use to compensate Digital.

Most of the open land left in town is either way out of the way
(and rock,swamp, and ledge to boot), or owned by the MDC. The MDC
will allow you to do passive recreation only and only at their
convenience and under their rules.

Planned uses are a police station ( we have the worst in the state),
recreation fields, more town office space, and green space for the
community. (Future MDC rules look like they will outlaw even passive
use of their land.) 

According to the papers their is a commercial developer that has
expressed an interest in buying the land to build houses.

I would expect that once the town has had it's meeting then Digital
will come out with a press release to inform us of their position.
==================

As to what happened a few years ago with the training center - 
 A town is just like a company. Lots of little groups, each with 
 their own agenda. Some like change, some want no change. Some
 want someone else to clean up their mistakes. Everyone wants
 the bill paid by the "other guy".

So you get a town and a company like Digital together and it's not
surprising that no agreement could be reached. Hell it's surprising 
that they even agreed on the shape of the table to sit down at.

/jon

town resident and DEC employee

I was out of town on Monday and arrived home in time to catch the
last few minutes of the discussion on cable just before the vote.

The town voted 180ish to 30ish in favor of taking the land. So by
now the lawyers in Real Estate and Construction are following up
on their plan. Only a real small article in the Worcester Telegram
and Gazette and that down in the local news section. 

/jon

  This morning's Worcester Telegram had an article indicating that Digital
  would take this action to court to prevent Boylston from taking the
  property. Digital has argued for some time that the property is worth
  considerably more than the $2.4M that Boylston is willing to pay.

  It seems that even the Boylston assessors office agrees; the property
  taxes have been based on an assessed value of $3.8M! 
 

The Worcester Telegram and Gazette has the full article on line
at their web page ( www.telegram.com). The news is refreshed every
day at 10am so get there quick if you want your copy.


The way it was explained at the town meeting by the assessors was
the the $3.6m assessment was done when the property was being used.
The statement was that property being used is worth more than property
that was idle. Perhaps this means they have been paying too much tax,
or perhaps the tax assessment is right and the $2.4m eminent domain is 
too low. In any case it sounds like the court will let us know what they
consider the answer.

/jon

    A few strategically placed leaking 55 gallon drums in the woods
    with some funny colored liquids oozing out should be enough to
    change the town's mind about taking the property. ;-) 

>                      <<< Note 797.62 by PCBUOA::KRATZ >>>
>                          -< owner's responsibility >-
>
>    A few strategically placed leaking 55 gallon drums in the woods
>    with some funny colored liquids oozing out should be enough to
>    change the town's mind about taking the property. ;-) 


Yep 
In Theory such an action would definitely lower the property values,  then of
course the original owner has to clean up the waste left behind, the epa  (do
the words superfund come to mind) would want to know if the  original owner had
the proper permits (say fines), the MDC might go  after the polluters for
potential contaminants (say more fines) of the  metro Boston water supply.

Then since the material might have moved across a state boundary there
is the RICO conspiracy laws. That would mean the FBI has jurisdiction
until the original owner proves there was no conspiracy. Seeing the
original owner is a multi-national with a past history of being involved
in the attempted smuggling of supercomputers to a proscribed country, 
there might be reason to suspect that they are involved with inter-state 
movement of material.

In the end Boylston would still have the land, and at a  much lower
price. Don't know about the state your in, but in Massachusetts it's
the polluter that pays the cost. When property changes hands the original 
owner is assumed to be responsible for all material on the property 
unless the original owner can prove otherwise. So Digital is the responsible
party in this theoretical example.


Now mind you - This is in Theory. 

Minor nit...

> Don't know about the state your in, but in Massachusetts it's
>the polluter that pays the cost. When property changes hands the original 
>owner is assumed to be responsible for all material on the property 
>unless the original owner can prove otherwise. So Digital is the responsible
>party in this theoretical example.

I thought these were actually federal regulations, but it is the responsibility 
of anyone who's owned the property since the time the pollution occured.  Not
just the party that owned it at the time of the pollution. 

    And you can be held responsible for the complete cleanup cost no matter
    how small your involvement in the pollution was.  
    
                                    August G. Reinig

Personally, I would have thought twice before posting something like
797.62.

    i thought it was humorous.  oh well ...

I was thinking that the oozing substance could be something like jello.  Not
a tough cleanup job...

re:

"I was thinking that the oozing substance could be something like jello.  Not
a tough cleanup job..."


No sugarfree Jello!  Aspertane(sp) supposedly causes brain tumors. 8^)

    >No sugarfree Jello!  Aspertane(sp) supposedly causes brain tumors. 8^)
    
    Aspartame (trade name 'Nutrasweet' [I think]) supposedly breaks down to
    carcinogens at temperatures > 70�C - also, seems to have been linked
    to "CFS-like" symptoms in some people.
    
    H
    
    (CFS - Chronic Fatigue Syndrome)

>    	I guess in the end it was a blessing.
>  [that Digital didn't build its education center in Boylston]
>  We didn't need the facility anyways.
    
  I agree. There would have been all the disruption of this facility being
built, while Digital was shutting down plants elsewhere. It made a lot more
sense to build it at PKO and move some operations from PKO to vacant Digital-
owned space elsewhere.
  I think the town did the right thing by taking this property. The last thing
the town needs is more ugly tract homes on this site.

    
    
    Hey wait a second !  What is all that about aspartame ? MY preferred
    mints I've been gobling endlessely for the past years contain
    aspartame. Could somebody give me a clue, or website where I can gather
    more information ? 
    
    Actually I'm feeling a bit tired (CFS ?)  ;^)
    
    Michel.

Try AltaVista advanced search - aspartame near carcinogen*

I have heard that aspartame breaks down to wood alcohol (causes 
blindness) and amino acids at high temperatures.


							-Paul

    Great. Dannon Yogurt 'Light' contains Aspertame. Proudly displays 
    this fact in large letters on the front of the package.  I guess it's 
    a sugar substitute. 

... and slightly off topic ...

wouldn't George Orwell have been proud of whoever decided that
an "oil refinery" product like aspartame should go to market
with the name Nutrasweet?

Nutra? Huh?

    There's a loud anti-aspartame lobby out there that is fond of
    putting out press releases about putative health hazards. Most of
    the warnings I've seen tend to come from the same group. Most of the
    evidence that I've seen appears to be anecdotal or non-causal (e.g.
    incidents in brain tumors started to increase about the same time
    that aspartame hit the market -- actually a bit before, but who's
    counting? -- but no population studies to establish any actual
    correlation).
    
    So a link may be there, but I've seen nothing convincing. In any
    event, this isn't the conference for the topic ... VMSZOO::MEDICAL
    is probably more appropriate.

    
         My vote is to let the people who blindly accept Aspartame as safe
    be the guinea pigs.  If they don't grow third eyes by 2005, I'll give
    it a taste.
    
                                      Greg

    
    
    In the meantime (waiting for 2005) I've switched to mints that don't
    contain aspartame. Next step I go back to smoking. After all it is much
    more satisfactory than sucking mints, and apparently you run the same
    risks ;^) (joking, only joking).

    Continuing with the rathole, some tv news magazine did a report
    on Aspartame.  It sounded like the FDA had accepted some really
    shoddy testing work from the manufacturer, and ignored opposing
    results.  I haven't bought diet soda or Equal since.
    

    I don;t undrstznd whct the fuzs iz al abut ... I' been useng Equal
    (aspertame) for yeaars now, and Iit hand't affictd me at alll.

    
    	Wow, looks like Eikvn McCabe broke into Jim's account.
    

    Re: .82
    
    Eiknv, last time I remember.
    
    Easier to sort letters than spell with
    them }8-)}
    
    Bill
            

	I thought it was Nassar..

							mike

    
    	RE: .83
    
    	Well, I always used Eikvn because it flowed better than Eiknv.
    
    	But I'm sure you're right.
    

    Anyone know where he is...the turkey man????

I figure it's probably him:

"
Subject:      Protected Images must be installed error. How to fix?
From:         [email protected] (Nabbasi123)
Date:         1997/01/10
Message-Id:   <[email protected]>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Newsgroups:   comp.os.vms
X-Admin:      [email protected]

Hello,

The above is an error message I've seen before but do not remember now
how to fix.

I am trying to run PCA (performance coverage) on a program. I compile and
link in debug. Then type

$define lib$debug pca$collector

Now, when I try to run the program I get this error:

$RUN foo
%DEBUGBOOT-W-PROTINSTALL, protected images must be installed
%SYSTEM-W-RESIGNAL, resignal conditiont to next handler.

I looked at the manual for this error message, and it says to install
some shared image as /protected. The thing is,  I am not sure
what shared image I need to install ?  

This is an applications that was build on VMS 7.0 on ALPHA, it uses
UCX among other things..

Any idea what I am supposed to do now to be able to run this
program under PCA control?

Please post the answer here or feel free to email me to
[email protected],

thank you
Nasser
"
				/AHM
P. S.  He got 3 answers the same day, including one from Jerry Leichter.

That may or may not be our /nasser, but I'm quite sure this one is.  The
clue is the chess reference in the .sig.

Subject:      Re: Math is empirical
From:         [email protected]
Date:         1996/09/21
Message-Id:   <[email protected]>
References:   <[email protected]>
Organization: Perkin-ELmer
Newsgroups:   sci.math

In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>
..
>For example, if I think that it is Tuesday, then it is Tuesday in the
>universe I�ve created. But for the great majority, it will be Saturday.

How can it be tuesday for you, and saturday for everyone else?

is this a trick questions? or some sci-fiction type of thing? like
parallel universe and all that?

>Do you agree?

Soory, I can't. The only way the above might happen is that you are using
the wrong calender, or your watch has stopped working for few days. I think
myself that it is better to apply math to some real world type of problems.

Nasser
--
Nasser Abbasi. Perkin Elmer - Applied BioSystem division.
Development of DNA and Protein analysis software. C/C++/UNIX.
email:  [email protected]   MSEE, MSCS, MSCE, Fide chess master (FM).

"I think there is a world market for maybe five computers."
Thomas Watson,  chairman of IBM, 1943

"There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home."
Ken Olson, president, chairman and founder of Digital Equipment Corp., 1977

    
    	99% chance that that is our /nasser, yes.
    
    	I reserve the other 1% as semi-doubtful because I practically
    	understood that response.  8^)