| Title: | The Digital way of working |
| Moderator: | QUARK::LIONEL ON |
| Created: | Fri Feb 14 1986 |
| Last Modified: | Fri Jun 06 1997 |
| Last Successful Update: | Fri Jun 06 1997 |
| Number of topics: | 5321 |
| Total number of notes: | 139771 |
This week's edition of Business Week has two articles pertaining
to DEC. Actually its their main feature this week. One article
focuses on the company's future, has it cooled off due to the pc
craze? The next article deals with DEC's worldwide network, Easy-net
and there's even a little bit in there about notes!!
Interesting article!! I thought there were more than 24k nodes.
I have one question. If personal computers and networking them
is what the market is now demanding, why isn't DEC placing tremendous
emphasis on developing personal computers, network and software
products? Because it does seem logical that people want to have
the cpu and software on their desk as opposed to the back room.
Response time is faster and it is probably more reliable from their
standpoint. In other words it won't go down as much. I don't like
to knock the VAX. I think its one of the best machines I've ever
worked with. But the facts are the facts. People for the most
part want their applications and hardware on their desks or in their
office and they want to share that information with others.
DEC is sort of in the pc business still, I assume. Because pc's
are still being manufactured or re-furbished, but not aggressively
marketed. I could be wrong but that is my perception of the whole
DEC and the pc picture.
Not knowing the whole story behind Rainbow's, Pro's and DECmates
demise at the expense of the IBM PC. Not knowing fully what happened
in the early 80's when IBM stole the show from everybody with its
clunker. I won't say that I feel DEC was probably a little premature
in retreating from that segment of the market...
yet.
Bryan (a Mac+ owner for now.)
| T.R | Title | User | Personal Name | Date | Lines |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 534.1 | ~/~ | TSE::LEFEBVRE | Mona Lisa's sister doesn't smile | Tue May 10 1988 08:25 | 11 |
re. last:
> I have one question. If personal computers and networking them
> is what the market is now demanding, why isn't DEC placing tremendous
> emphasis on developing personal computers, network and software
> products?
Who says we aren't?
Mark.
| |||||
| 534.2 | Discussed Elsewhere | SDSVAX::SWEENEY | Patrick Sweeney DTN 352.2157 | Tue May 10 1988 08:41 | 5 |
If 534.0 interests you, you should be reading and/or participating in
the MARKETING conference on ASIMOV which has discussed just this topic
for 3 or 4 years. Indeed, this article got notice there last Friday.
If you want to sustain the discussion in two conferences, that's ok
with me.
| |||||
| 534.3 | VENOM::KING | Don't Litter | Wed May 11 1988 02:39 | 13 | |
Yes DEC is working on network products to allow different vendors
products talk to VAXes. And yes DEC is placing a great emphasis
on pc networks. But they are other vendors pc's. Right? Such
as the MacIntosh. Its a wise move considering that roughly 40%
of the VAX customer sites also have MacIntoshes and would very much
like to smoothly network their Mac's to the VAX. But what about
some machines that say Digital on the side? Why aren't they being
pushed harder into the marketplace. Or why aren't newer models
being brought to market? When was the last time you went to
Businessland and saw a VAXmate on display?
Bryan
| |||||
| 534.4 | Yes but.. | KYOA::CRAPAROTTA | Psuedo T7 | Wed May 11 1988 09:19 | 11 |
Although we have come out with PC's in the past I don't think we
ever really knew how to market them... By getting together with
Apple was a good move... Alot of the Fortune 500 people never forgot
that Ken said he doesn't want the personal market.. We can't forget
that alot of these high level types have the same computer at home
as the one on their desk at work...
Joe
[with my //GS at home]
| |||||
| 534.5 | ATLANT::SCHMIDT | Wed May 11 1988 12:52 | 19 | ||
There seems to be an implict assumption floating around here
that "PC" means Intel 80x86 architecture. *I* think it means
"Personal Computer". I've got one of those and its got a
Mega-pixel color display, 16 MBytes of MOS memory, about a
half a gigabyte of disk, and access to the Easynet. It's
also got a VAX-architecture processor. Ya know what I mean?
The only thing wrong with my personal computer is that the
particular model I'm driving as a bit pricey, but the declining
costs of the low-end VAXen along with the holding-steady or rising
cost of *CAPABLE* PCs should soon cause cross-over of the trend-
lines. Then, everyone's Personal Computer can justifiably be a
VAX-Architecture computer.
And I think we haven't gone back one iota on Ken's comments on
stand-alone PCs. They're practically useless here in the
networked future. If sneakernet isn't dead, it will be soon.
Atlant
| |||||
| 534.6 | MAADIS::WICKERT | MAA DIS Consultant | Wed May 11 1988 22:50 | 5 | |
re .5;
Amen!
| |||||
| 534.7 | VAXmate? | VIKING::BROWN | Wed May 18 1988 13:25 | 7 | |
Coming out with an unexpandable, monochrome, CGA, sort-of-compatible,
nightmare-for-field-service, $6000 oven (albeit networked) didn't
help the customer's view of DEC's PC commitment. Our sales force
has been bidding AST AT clones on contracts simply because the VAXmate
is inadequate.
_KB
| |||||
| 534.8 | "answer" to Business Week article | HUMAN::CONKLIN | Peter Conklin | Fri May 20 1988 18:50 | 158 |
MARKETING NEWSLETTER MAY 9, 1988
WHAT NEXT FOR DIGITAL?
[Authors : Edmund H. Muth and Monica Walker]
Introduction:
The cover story of the 5/16/88 issue of Business Week asks "What
Next for Digital?". This article is not wholly negative but it
is certainly less than wholly positive. The purpose of this
newsletter is to suggest some issues you may want to have in mind
if a customer, prospect, or consultant wants to discuss this
article with you.
If you go through the article and look just at the section
headings, the following are highlights:
o "DEC has cooled off ..."
o "Behind the times ?"
o "'Snake Oil'"
o "UNIX abounding"
The article does have some positive things to say; it notes our
successes in new industries (financial services, retail), the
improvement in performance/price ratio with the VAX 62XX family,
the importance of our excellent implementation of
multi-processing, our success in worksystems, and the unequaled
connectivity and compatibility of VAX systems.
Nonetheless, the basic themes of the article are as follows:
o PC's are an important part of the market and something
at which a "full service" computer company must be
successful; Digital has failed in the PC market and
therefore cannot be considered fully successful
o Everyone is going to RISC and UNIX; our VAX/VMS strategy
is neither RISC nor UNIX and, thus, at question for the
long haul
o The industry is catching up to Digital in connectivity
and/or getting ahead of Digital in areas like
performance/price metrics
Articles like this may shake consumer confidence by raising doubts
(in my view unfounded) about Digital's competitiveness.
We all need to remember that DIGITAL has enjoyed its share --
perhaps more than its share -- of positive press over the last two
years. We would be unrealistic, indeed, if we established
"unqualified praise" as the benchmark against which we compare
each incremental article. Handling mixed press is something we
have to do for a living as part of account management. You should
read the article in its entirety and be prepared to discuss it
non-defensively, if the subject comes up.
As I see it:
This article misses more issues than it hits. In fact, it sounds
to me as if it was written (or at least the authors' conclusions
formed) before we announced the VAX 88XX and 62XX families of
processors (which dramatically improve our position in commercial
data processing workloads and improve performance/price ratios).
While multiprocessing and the new VAX systems are mentioned, their
impact on our long-term profitability, commercial capabilities,
and competitive positioning seem poorly understood -- or at least
under-appreciated -- by the authors.
The article is peculiar from another point of view, as well. As
a business article, not a technical analysis, it is odd that the
focus is so light on the business issues a firm might value in
selecting a computing partner -- such as cost of ownership,
availability of software, world-wide service, application
development speed, strength of partners, positioning on
international standards, investment protection, and quality.
Instead, the article tries to discuss technology issues like RISC
technology.
In my experience, thoughtful business people do not care whether a
computer company uses RISC (reduced instruction set computer) or
CISC (complex instruction set computer) technology. If a vendor
can achieve superior price/performance, reliability, or investment
protection through RISC, then RISC has business value; if not, a
business person should not (and usually does not) care. This is
definitely not the tone of the Business Week article, however.
I'd suggest the following might be a more objective world view:
o By any objective measure, we are winning not losing:
- We are winning in the mid-range against all
vendors, especially IBM.
- We are winning in worksystems with the very
real prospect of passing Sun Microsystems
within the next 18 months (having already
passed #2 Apollo).
- We are the #1 UNIX vendor in the industry,
obtaining over $1 billion in revenues from
this market.
- Our revenues are up 17% year-to-date, gated
not by demand for our product but rather by
our inability to manufacture and ship enough
of our hottest products (like workstations and
uVAX 3500's).
Analysts still expect us to be up 20-21% in
revenues for the year, with record profits.
o In terms of CPU performance/price ratios, we are not the
lowest priced machine in the industry. By any objective
and complete analysis, however, we are a good value.
"Good value" can be defined as inexpensive relative to
IBM but somewhat more expensive than some other
companies. Let's remember than many of these "other"
vendors may not be in the business ten years from now,
in part because they have pricing models which assure
inadequate research and development spending.
If we had a performance/price ratio problem, the uVAX
3XXX, the VAX 62XX family, the repriced 8550, and the
repriced RA-82/SA-482/RD-54 solve that "problem".
Its not credible to your customers to criticize the article; that
would appear defensive, not analytical.
Focus your attention (and theirs) instead on any or all of the
following -- the issues that really affect business people and
business advantage :
- industry expertise,
- cost of ownership,
- availability of software and solutions,
- world-wide service,
- application development speed (C.A.S.E.),
- strength/diversity/quality of ISV's,
- leadership in standards and networking,
- product compatibility,
- architectural and product stability,
- technological superiority through massive
($100M/month) R&D spending and control over
key technologies (disk, chip)
- investment protection,
- hardware/software/people quality,
- distributed style of computing.
GOOD SELLING !!!
| |||||
| 534.9 | ATLANT::SCHMIDT | Mon May 23 1988 13:29 | 23 | ||
I think it's startling to read the latest Forbes 500 lists in the
context of looking for where our traditional "competition" is to
be found compared to Digital. With the exception of Hewlett-Pack-
ard, our traditional competition is either nowhere to be found or
way down on the list.
And the magic IBM/DEC ratios are starting to look a lot closer
to 1:1 than a lot of us had dreamed possible in years gone past.
Sales is about 5:1. Unfortunately, profitablity was (I think)
more like 8:1.
This bodes well for the "Still around later" sort of argument.
Next time someone is running down the VAX Architecture because
it's getting into its teens, point to the venerable /360 archi-
tecture which (with major enhancements) survives to this day.
Another point that may be worth investigating is our (and IBM's!)
commitment to the Open Software Foundation. (Apparently, this
was not public knowledge at the time the BW article was prepared.)
Unix may or may not turn it to be snakeoil, but it may also turn
out to be superfluous.
Atlant
| |||||