Conference 7.286::digital

	I have a similar problem, in that there used to be a guy named Jack 
Cole working in the Mill on PDP-11 hardware, I think, and now that he is gone, 
I get random forwardings from the Mill mail room about the fancy new chips 
that are available!

	They said they have no way to stop it, they HAVE to deliver the mail
to SOMEONE if there is a match in ELF! 

When you were first employed by DEC, you put "Barth" in the "nickname" field
on your employee profile.

Go to your PSA and fill out the change form; put whatever you want in there,
and it will appear in the next directory.  (Actually, I think the deadline
is past for the next one, so it will be the one after the next.)

/john

    And how would be like to be the "default" Jim Williams for the
    corporation?  You learn about hazardous waste management, contract
    disputes with Japanese OEMs, get interesting postcards from places
    that think you buy video monitors, and hundreds of phone calls...
    
    /s/ "the" Jim Williams

We once had two employees of the same name at our site.  Folklore has 
it that one got the other's raise once, and they took so long to find 
it he got to keep it.  On the other hand, when one of them left, the 
other was accidently terminated instead (sigh).

       Ah! Modern Electronics.
                                            denny

RE: .2

Oh, were it that simple, John! My PSA had, in fact, put a nickname of Barth
in for me, by mistake, about a zillion years ago. When I took my problem
to her for the first time, she corrected the entry (blanked it out). Since
then my nickname at personnel has remained blank. And I have remained B.B.

Who do you suppose is actually IN CHARGE of phone book production? That's
one thing that's noticeably absent from the book itself...

K.

    Karl,
    
    I assume that you noticed the change form at the end of the blue
    pages in the book, itself?
    
    There is even an electronic address given of Directory @ MLO or
    MilVax: Directory (I suspect that they really mean MILVAX::DIRECTORY).
    
    Have a great time,
    
    Don

    re .6
    
    What /john was trying to say, is send in a change form with
    something different in the nickname field. Submitting a form
    with a blank in the nickname field will not get them to remove
    the current entry.
    
    This is actally a very common problem with data-entry. It all
    depends on how the file change/update software is written. If
    the data entry person simply bypasses the field because there
    is a blank space on the form, the old information remains.
    
    Bob Mc

    I can see it now... He submits the form with "blank" in the space,
    and becomes Blank Barth.   :-)

OK, I'll try the new nickname trick. We'll see how that does.

Don (.7) in case you can't tell, I've sent a myriad of those forms in.
The phone book folks apparently aren't able to fix this from the basic
change form.

Thanks to all.

K.

I heard of a case in the Air Force once (I'm sure someone will say Army). 

Before enlisting, a man had his name changed to use only the first letters of
his first and middle name. They must have been doozies. To save explaining,
when he filled out his enlistment forms he put down for first and last name: 

      Name
        First  R. (only)
        Last   Jones
        Mid.   B. (only)

For the rest of his enlistment he was known as Ronly Bonly Jones.

        Mike

ps Don't ask me if that's a true story. How should I know ;-)

      I work in the Mill, location code MLO 3-3; the phone book people
    are MLO3-4.  That means they are one floor above me and about 200
    feet down the hall.  If you can't straighten out this problem via
    electronic or print media, I can physically present your case to
    their manager.  
    
    Regards,
    
    Greg
    

  I think the hooker with the change form in the phone book, and the ones that
secretaries put thru, is that they are only good for phone numbers, location
codes, and mailstops, not names. Of course, nobody tells us this unless we
read this notesfile.
  Re Ronly Bonly Jones: That story has been around for at least 43 years. 

    Hi Karl!! (Or "BB" to his phone-book!)
    
    I think you have a fundamental problem here. Changing your location
    code, or phone number, or cost centre is relatively easy. But changing
    your NAME. Wow, thats a real problem.
    
    However, two alternatives come to mind:
    1) Get married. This seems to work pretty well.
    2) Quit, and get re-hired. This seems a little risky in the present
    climate.
    
    I recall a story about one of our leading ALL-IN-1 customers who
    had an addressing problem using names, and looked to Digital for
    a solution. We couldn't help (DDS was still a glint in someones
    eye..), and so the CEOs mail would still end up in the hands of
    one of their store-clerks, with the resulting furore! When they
    learnt we couldn't provide an immediate solution they came up with
    a workaround........
    

    They fired the store-clerk!!
    
    Let us know how you get on (assuming you're still on the Net!!).
    
    ;-)
    

The change form in the book is for phone numbers only.  Everything else,
including location code, comes from the personnel file.  Put Karl in the
nickname field on your personnel form; that will fix the problem.

/john

    The way I read the story of R (only) B (only) Jones... the 
    initials R B were the name that his parents gave him. This was
    (I think) originally in the Readers Digest back in the dark ages.

Don't you just love people who tell you they have heard that one before? :-)
With Notes, it only comes after you have told the whole thing! They can't stop 
you in mid story.

You are probably correct.

...and It was probably a WWII story.

I may have confused the story with facts about a girl I knew in high school.
She did not like her given names so she somehow went to court and was
officially known as R. J. Lastname. (Name withheld to protect the innocent.) 

I remember that so well as she was one of the more attractive...

But that is another story.

    My uncle, my father's older brother, now around 75, had NO middle
    name - my grandparents didn't give him one (I guess they learned
    their lesson, since my father had a middle name, and so, I think,
    does their younger sister - not positive about her).  This caused
    the army no end of grief during WW II.  Eventually my uncle decided
    to legally change his name to include a middle INITIAL - no middle
    name, just a single letter, since that is what the army wanted on
    their forms.  So, he is legally "Dale W Richardson".  He explains
    that this simplified his life and didn't particularly bother him
    one way or the other, since he had no particular attachment to not
    having a middle name.

    To continue the rat-hole, I am currently involved in the military
    personnel area. The customary method of entering names, is last,
    first and/or middle name/initial. Where you use initial versus
    name, depends on the legal nature of the document. Insurance forms
    and survivor benefit forms absolutely must have the full middle
    name or have the variation noted and initialed. We would fill in
    Doe, John (NMI) or Doe, John B (without period and with handwritten
    JBD next to it. I think you can see how this can really foul up
    a system that automatically assUmes that everyone has a middle
    name. And if you really want some fun, try to figure out what
    happens to a person of spanish descent that hasn't got a middle
    name and uses one of his family names in there or a person with
    hyphenated last name. It took me 45min to figure out if the guy
    was Hector Ruiz Lopez or Hector Lopez Ruiz. Because his file had
    it both ways.
    
    Bob Mc

RE: .18

Thanks for the news! I'll wait patiently. Just knowing it's been changed
is great news.

Cheers,

K.

    Another piece of trivia, for those of us who use first INITIAL,
    middle NAME.  I'm D. Gregory Scott, because my parents told me,
    at age 5, that from that day forward, I should go by "Greg" and
    not "Danny" or "Daniel".  Don't ask me why - it was a looooong time
    ago and I didn't ask why, I just said OK.  Anyway, in the early
    70's, I put the "D" back in the front of my "official" signature,
    and I've been "D. Gregory Scott" since then.
    
    So Digital Equipment Corp, the 2nd largest computer company in the
    world, the company with the most state of the art equipment in the
    world, the company that provides unheard-of computer solutions to
    the most demanding of customers, says my name is "D G SCOTT"
    
    I get corporate mail things addressed to "D", and I think I remember
    seeing at least one "Dear D" over the years.
    
    
    Oh, yes, and there is another Greg Scott that works for DEC, I think
    in Marlboro.

    - The REAL D. Gregory Scott, from Minneapolis

    Greg,
    
    I had success getting my name in. You need to enter a change as
    
    D Greg (no period after the initial.
    
    Regards,
    
    C John
    

    I have never gone by my first name, Debra.  I am called Jodi
    which is a nickname given to me shortly after I was born. 
    On my checks, Digital profile and various other documents I
    am listed as D. Jodi Newell.  Somehow a few years ago I got 
    on a mailing list that juxtaposed my name with my employers
    name and now I get junk mail from several sources to...

    Digital J. Newell.   It's kinda fun :^)
    
    Jodi-
    
    

re: 469.18

>    and you are currently shown as Karl Barth with no nickname.  Location:
>    IVO.  I do not know when your entry was changed, so I don't know
>    whether or not it was changed in time for the March Directory.          

According to the March directory, "Barth" Barth still works for us.  But it
could be worse.  The first three people I tried to find somehow no longer
exist in the directory, but still do exist in ELF (and in their offices,
which haven't changed from the last directory). 

Ray

    My Grandfather's real name was C L Driskell  -  took him several
    tries to get any organization to accept that.  When he applied at
    the post office - the repeatedly returned his application demanding
    that he put down his entire name. I little wonder the frustration
    builds when dealing with a computer - he was only (and a few times
    in person) trying to convice people.   What I dont' understand is why
    organizations have a problem accepting an "initial" as a name when
    there are certainly some more unbelievable names floating around.
    
               
    Jodi

    re .26
    
    Think about how you would write a program to accept or parse a
    name field in a string of data. What would you use to delineate
    between first-middle-last, so that any possible combination would
    be correctly read? EG, Cal W. Williams, C.W. Williams, C. William
    Williams, Cal W. Vince-Williams Jr.

    And let's not forget about foreign names such as ...
    Carl J. van der Horn or Alex de Honing.
    
    -- John

    re. 20 - No middle name
                                                      
    To know me is to love me.  As it effects my whole existance.
    The only people I trust and or call back are those who call me by MY
    name,nickname or Order of Birth(family joke). Physical description will
    be taken in an emergency only. 
    	                                     
    Position=#1  First=Mary Ann   Middle=None  Last=Schlitzer Maszerowski
    
    I have no middle name either do my sisters. It drives people/computers/
    keypuchers/schools/telesalesman nuts. They don't know how to handle
    it.  I get mail addressed to M.A. Noneschlitzer, M.None.
    SchlitzerMaszerowski,M.N.Maszerowski, AM N. Maryann and at least
    100 other variations. I have a folder of them as it is real intresting
    to see who sells your name.
                              
    I live at  20 Brightwoods Lane  (1987,88)
    aka.	8 Brightwoods Lane  (1981-87)
    aka.       14 Woodsmeadow Lane  (1970-81)
    aka. 	Old Laraby Farm     (pre 1970) 
     (same house same lot - as they built more houses and added more houses
      on smaller lots the good old post office had to renumber the street
      and change the name when the street circled back to itself, this
      drives loan officers, credit card applications and CrissCross 
      Directories nuts)
    
    I have 8 brothers and 3 sisters our dad applied for all our SS#'s
    at the same time for our bank accounts, the last two digits vary. 
    I can see this happening this year with the new IRS filing rules.
    
    Sister # 3 = Mary Beth Schlitzer
    Sister # 4 = Mary Ellen Schlitzer
    Sister #12 = Mart Jean Schlitzer
    Sister In-Law = Mary Kay Schlitzer    
    Sister In-Law = Mary Jo Maszerowski                     
    Brother # 5 = Tom Schlitzer
    Husband = Tom Maszerowski
    Step Brother In-Law = Tom Maszerowski                      
    
    Grandmother (mom's side)= Mary  (Yes folks this is where it all started)
    Grandmother (father side)= Ann	(ditto)
    Great Grandmother = Jean 		(ditto)
    Great Grandmother = Beth 		(ditto)
    Great Grandmother = Ellen 		(ditto)
     
    We all live within the Rochester Post Office area, it seems someone
    moves every year lately as we all finish college/buy homes etc.
    
    7 of us went to the same college and spent countless hours in the
    bursars office / regisration office due to mistakes with SS#'s/names on
    records. 
    
    However I know of a sister who hated Gym class and never
    went but got credit because the teacher never realized she had a sister
    in her other class who had and had similer SS#. 
    
    I almost failed to graduate because #4 brother (Larry similer
    enough to someone looking at a list on a screen) transfered to another
    school and they processed my records as having left. I found out 1
    week before graduation only because my proffesor investigated why I 
    appeared on his class list at the beginning of the quarter and not at
    the end. 
                                         
    In our life it is a no no to say Mary, Tom  or move (the post office 
    forwards all the M. or Mary anything mail to the person who has moved)
    
    However, if you lookup and Maszerowski or Schlitzer in the phone
    book you will eventually get connected to the right person. 
                                             
    That's Life,
    
    M.A. (my name is to long, so I answer to M.A.)

    For the record: Karl Barth @ IVO is listed in the July 1988 phone
    book.

Thanks for the news - I haven't gotten mine yet.

FWIW - This went all the way up to the manager of the group who
produce the phone book. So I'm told by the Area Personnel Manager,
who had to handle it personally.

K.

PS One of the earlier suggestions was to put my real name into the
Nickname field. My PSA told me that the system kicks non-nicknames out.
Ie, if it's the same as your first name it says "no can do."

>PS One of the earlier suggestions was to put my real name into the
>Nickname field. My PSA told me that the system kicks non-nicknames out.
>Ie, if it's the same as your first name it says "no can do."

    I don't know about the Phone book but ELF shows my nickname as
    Alfred which is remarkably the same as my first name of Alfred.    

    			Alfred

The PSA who told you that your nickname and first name can't be the same
is wrong.

Putting in your first name as your nickname is the way to get the phone
book to not list your middle initial.

/john

    Has anyone else had difficulty with people being omitted from the
    July '88 directory?  We had some cost center changes processed here,
    and most (but not all!) of the people changed were deleted from
    the new phone book.  The person we called about it said that we
    should have put in an Extension Notification Form for these people,
    even though their phone numbers and mailstops remained the same.
    
    Seems strange to me.  She said a "no print" order gets issued when
    the cost center changes.
    
    Are we the only ones experiencing this?
    

    No, you're not the only ones.  I was deleted, too, apparently as
    a result of a CC changed (I changed CC's last December).  I had
    sent the change information (via VAXmail) to the address given in
    .18 of this note.  Maybe that's the problem?  Think I'll send the
    hadcopy form this time.

    RE: .35,.36
    
    Omigod...I just changed cost centers. This doesn't mean all the
    effort is for 1 directory's worth of correct listing, does it?
    
    :^)
    
    K.

        Well, now that you've got the correct listing, it sounds like
        you've got to make sure the form goes in to make sure the good
        listing is printed in future directories.
        
        It all sounds sort of silly to me, especially in cases where
        the cost center changes (an administrative detail) but nothing
        that's printed in the phone directory changes.  This happens
        from time to time, as groups get restructured.  I suspect that
        most people (including secretaries) don't realize that if the
        change form doesn't get sent in, the directory listings will
        get dropped.
        
        Tom

  Is there anyone in the phone directory group who is reading this and can
answer this: HOW do the directory folks find out that someone's cost center
has changed and therefore they get an 'unlisted number'. Is there a document
someplace that says people should be delisted in such a case, or is this a case
of 'we've always done it this way'?

    Hot damn!  Guys, I wish I had your problems;  you see, I transferred
    out of a support group back around Christmas, and since then I've
    gotten calls from several people I *used to* deal with (the most
    recent was *YESTERDAY*!), all looking for a hand fixing their problems.
    
    Then again, given that the aforementioned group has lost many of
    its experienced people (hm, that coincided with a re-org and mgmt.
    changes, oddly enough), it might be a reflection of the quality
    of work that group (or what's left of it) is doing.
    
    Dick

    Re: 469.39:  "HOW do the directory folks find out that someone's
    cost center has changed..."
    
    The woman who talked to us said it ties in with the Personnel Master
    File (where everyone's changes are processed).  Of course, if it
    *really* ties in with the PMF, wouldn't it then make sense that
    all other changes (mailstops, etc.) on the file would also change
    without having to fill out those annoying little telecomm. slips???
    I guess that would be too simple!
    
    I got the impression that the de-listing was some sort of automatic
    thing the "computer" does when someone has a change.  I don't know
    the purpose.  Of course, it's much easier for the Telecomm. people
    to "blame it on the computer" rather than the operators!  [typical!]
    

    
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