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452.1 | | BIGMAC::JAROSS | | Thu Jan 28 1988 13:53 | 6 |
| The duke puts prisons in Concord too -- 2 of them.
I thought we weren't going to buy any more land in Mass. because
the duke wasn't willing to give us adequate tax relief? And that
we're just building facilities on land we already own.
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452.2 | | FIDDLE::RAICHE | Color me RED | Fri Jan 29 1988 13:44 | 8 |
| I hadn't heard that about no longer building in Mass other
than on property we already own. Anyone out there able to
confirm that?
I would comment on the prisons and Dukakis, but something
tells me that should be a seperate topic. Should we start
a topic on that issue?
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452.3 | Render unto Soapbox that which is Soapy | CVG::THOMPSON | Famous Ex-Noter | Fri Jan 29 1988 14:16 | 9 |
| > I would comment on the prisons and Dukakis, but something
> tells me that should be a seperate topic. Should we start
> a topic on that issue?
That is *not* a topic for this conference. Please feel free to
take it up in BETHE::SOAPBOX_1988 (KP7 etc) though.
Alfred Thompson
Co-moderator HUMAN::DIGITAL
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452.4 | one place to go | STUBBI::B_REINKE | where the sidewalk ends | Sat Jan 30 1988 13:24 | 3 |
| The Athol Orange Gardner areas are still economically depressed tho they
are improving..and there are a number of empty factories available
to be rented.
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452.5 | Oooooooooops! | FIDDLE::RAICHE | Color me RED | Mon Feb 01 1988 13:32 | 8 |
| RE:: 452.3
Sorry about that, I misused a term. I meant to say new "conference"
NOT new "topic"! I of course agree with our moderator that this
topic is inappropriate for this file.
My Applogies
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452.6 | | MORGAN::JELENIEWSKI | | Mon Feb 01 1988 14:05 | 11 |
| I agree, I do not understand why DEC continues to build up the
already overbuilt area inside Rt 495. In the Gardner, Athol,
Orange area the unemployment rates is still high. There is
plenty of land, the communities would love to attract a DEC.
Route 2 Eastbound in the a.m. and Westbound in the p.m. is like
driving on Rt 128, yet we continue to put up facilities inside
495 like there's no tomorrow.
Am I missing something?
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452.7 | Barre, now that's in the Boonies | CSSE::BAIRD_2 | Eyes of Taxes are Upon You | Tue Feb 02 1988 08:39 | 11 |
|
I have been involved in the Master Plan development for the town of
Hubbardston for some months. Numerous town officials have stated their
'dream' as having DEC locate an even marginal facility in the area.
Maybe DEC is missing out on the easy spots, while concentrating on
overbuilt areas that have other priorities.
(P.S. I'd love to be able to walk to work.)
J.T.B.
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452.8 | 495 is the edge of the world :-) | REGENT::EPSTEIN | Bruce Epstein | Tue Feb 02 1988 08:39 | 17 |
| Are we forgetting that Digital already has a facility in Westminster?
Note: Personal opinion follows...
I believe that one factor inhibiting the growth of Digital west of 495
is the attitude held by Boston area 'Y people' that route 495 is the
edge of the world. We have encountered that resistance in our group, which
is moving from Maynard to Westford later this year. Digital needs to
be able to attract and keep employees, so until the attitude of
the public changes...
Bruce
P.S. I used to work in Gardner, and it was extremely tough to attract
new employees (specifically engineers) to that area.
P.P.S. I still live outside 495.
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452.9 | Man from the Boonies! | DISSRV::RAICHE | Color me RED | Tue Feb 02 1988 09:25 | 26 |
| RE: .7
Boonies man here! Actually Hubbardston is out there too. I read
that Hubbardston is one of the five fastest growing communities
in Mass in direct competition with Cape communities. I agree that
it would be a wonderful location for DEC. It has much going for
it as a place to live/work. I'm afraid Barre is just too isolated,
as far as roads go, to be practical. Both Barre and Hubbardston
becomming bed room communities for Worcester and Gardner though
and that is fine with me. Cost of living is more reasonable and
there is room for more growth for DEC employees to live.
One, and I must emphase the word, "RUMOR" has it that DEC looked
into the vacated plant in Athol, but turned the location down. As
I understand it, it was because of the Union mentallity that
pervades that area and is very strong. The mill that is vacant is
so as a result of a company moving due to a union strike. We all
know DEC's feelings about unions (to which I strongly agree) and
they decided they didn't need the aggravation of possibly dealing
with that issue. I believe that the workers there would try and
bring in a union, not that it is necessary, but simply because
they believe in it. Too bad, it's only 15 minutes from my house.
Can anyone shed some light (facts) on this?
Art
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452.10 | exit | DISSRV::RAICHE | Color me RED | Tue Feb 02 1988 09:34 | 21 |
| RE: .8
Bruce,
I haven't forgotten about Westminster, I am only
saying we can and should do more out there. That is one
plant out of how many in Mass? There is certainly room for
more.
I believe things are changing as far as attracting
professionals (engineers etc.) to the area. Judjing from the
growth in Fitchburg/Leominster/Gardner in recent years due to
the high cost of living elsewhere. I know many cars that I play
Tag with in the morning going down rte 2 that I pick up
in Westminster and keep going when I get off in Concord, not
to mention those that get off at the 495 interchange. It is
obvious to me that people are willing to drive further to work
from areas they can affors to live in more comfortably and that
obviously includes us at DEC.
Art
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452.11 | Gremlins, Munchies, Boonies Unite! | CSSE::BAIRD_2 | Eyes of Taxes are Upon You | Tue Feb 02 1988 10:20 | 16 |
|
Us boonies gotta stick together. I do like your thinking. I'd love
to be able to drive WEST in the A.M. instead of into the sun! Actually
I'm probably no more than 10 miles or so from where you live and
I drive to Stow each day. I'd gladly give the travel time to DEC
to increase my productivity in exchange for a closer location.
We relocated from Texas in 86 and between the crowds inside and
around 495 and the prices for housing, we were (pleasently) forced
to go looking in the north central section of the county. Now that
we're on top of a ridge, few and far between neighbors, clean air,
cleaner snow, and a good school system, what else is there?
Answer: A cross functional, multi-purpose DEC facility that
we can reasonably access and make big bucks for the company, while
enjoying the 'frontier'!!
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452.12 | Not always as good as it sounds | ULTRA::SEKURSKI | | Tue Feb 02 1988 12:11 | 29 |
|
A few things any company would have to consider before moving
to one of these towns are telephone, power and sewer requirements.
Many of these smaller towns are not equipped to handle the type
facilities that DEC and other hi-tech companies require. The
cost of planning and implementing the changes that would have
to be made are prohibitive for communities of relatively small
populations. Ask people that were in the BXB and LTN sites when
they first opened. The hoops that facility people had to jump
through inorder to get permits and sufficent electrical power
are and were amazing and this is right on rte 495. Ask people
in BYO in Boylston how there telephone service is like. ( Future
site of DEC University, I wonder if all the permits have been
straightened out for that ) There was/is a rumor that DEC has
bought the old Ray-O-Vac factory in Clinton. I live in Clinton
this is the first year since I lived there that we haven't had
a power outage every other day. I tried dialing in last night
from home it took me 4 tries to get connected to a PBX line using
an in town phone number. Several times I've had to run over
to the neighbors and use their phone to call the telphone company
to give my line a jumpstart because I had no dial tone. Moving
away from the cities is not always an attractive thing to do
for a large corporation that *needs* up to date town services.
Mike
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452.13 | | TOPDOC::AHERN | Dennis the Menace | Tue Feb 02 1988 15:11 | 15 |
|
Why not join, or form, a Digital Commuter Van pool. See the
PMRV70::COMMUTING conference. Press KP7 or SELECT to add.
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452.14 | Stuck in one place?! | DISSRV::RAICHE | Color me RED | Tue Feb 02 1988 15:43 | 13 |
| RE: .13
Nice idea if you can do it. First of all, my job requires me
to regularly visit different sites and that requires me to have
my car. I also have morning meetings and afternoon meeting that
are not in VRO where I work. Also, my day is long enough from
the time I leave to when I return without adding time for VAN
pickups/dropoffs, waiting for people to arrive etc. I leave
home at 7:00 am and if lucky arrive back there at 6:30 pm. I'm
not complaining as I choose to do it, just responding to your
suggestion.
Art
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452.15 | Notes entropy approaching... | REGENT::EPSTEIN | Bruce Epstein | Wed Feb 03 1988 08:47 | 8 |
| We seem to be straying from the topic (I know, I was guilty of it,
too :-). Let's avoid discussions of commuting, or 'this town is
better than that town because I live nearby', and continue discussion
of Digital's presence in North Central Mass.
Bruce
P.S. I'd just as soon see Digital move into Cheshire County, NH.
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452.16 | Lancaster | MPGS::MCCLURE | Why Me??? | Wed Feb 03 1988 12:35 | 11 |
| There is another topic in here, somewhere, that mentioned the
Lancaster land at Rt2 and Ft Pond Rd. For those of you that
may have missed this item, here and in the newspapers, the plan
still is to break ground this spring. According to the article
in the Fitchburg Sentinel, the 'official DEC' spokesperson
stated that the occupants of the site would be "people in leased
facilities in the Littleton and Boxborough areas". I take this
to mean LTN* and BXB*, but I could be wrong. This could give you
an idea of a group to look for a job in and cut down on your commute.
Bob Mc
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452.17 | It's better than nothing! | FIDDLE::RAICHE | Color me RED | Wed Feb 03 1988 13:09 | 18 |
| RE: .16
Lancaster is a lot closer to where we are, so that is a step
in the right direction. Some slots may open up in groups moving
there, but you have to have the right job. Some will move some
won't, but how many? Consider this; you live in the Boxboro area
or East of there and your job moves West to Lancaster. You now
have the commute situation we are looking for. You are going
West when most are going East in the morning and the opposite
at night. Sound like an improvement for most to me. Of course,
if you live close to where you work now, any move of consequence
will be negative.
I certainly will keep my eye on the Lancaster situation. My
commute would go from 55 miles down to about 30 - 35 miles.
Art
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452.18 | Athol mill? | ANGORA::MORRISON | Bob M. LMO2/P41 296-5357 | Wed Feb 03 1988 13:32 | 12 |
| I have no idea what kind of building the Athol mill is, but I can see several
problems besides the pro-union sentiment of the former mill workers. If the
mill is near downtown there may not be enough parking, and access may be diffi-
cult. No matter how many people live within walking distance, the majority of
the workforce will drive to work.
I don't think DEC has the motivation to convert another old mill to high tech,
as they did in Maynard. And Maynard was an unusual situation, with lots of land
available for parking and (relatively) easy access by car.
As for problems with phones and electric power in the "sticks", that is some-
thing to consider, but it shouldn't be a show-stopper. There are some small
towns in the "north of Quabbin" area that have good phones, and a well-run elec-
tric company can provide reliable power.
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452.19 | Why should DEC let *you* walk to work? Who are *you*? | SERPNT::SONTAKKE | Vikas Sontakke | Thu Feb 04 1988 08:50 | 14 |
| RE: .0-.18
Why should DEC be restricted to stay in Mass? Why can't it get out of
New England and move its operations, to, say Florida or Hawai? Or for
that matter why not Bombay, India.? I mean, then *I* can walk to work :-)
Just because *you* happen to reside in Western Mass, is no a reason for
DEC to move its operation there.
Remember, it was *your* decision to live where you are living now. You
make the decision where to buy your next place of residence based on
the job location(s). Job locations don't come out looking for you.
- Vikas
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452.20 | I'm Digital | CSSE::BAIRD_2 | Eyes of Taxes are Upon You | Thu Feb 04 1988 09:57 | 28 |
|
Maybe I missed the happy face in he last reply, but I'll assume
it wasen't there.
I'm a recently transferred employee who was 'steered' to his current
living environs mostly by price. The fact that the area is a very
nice place to live is an extra bonus. I'm not asking DEC to MOVE
it's facilities. DEC is expanding throughout the area and this note
asks the question "As long as you're expanding, why not consider
north central Mass., as opposed to continued 'cramming' in "hi tech
alley?" (Sorry, maybe that should be "in addition to" rather than
"opposed to."
My particular function in rooted in Stow, but my job, with a few
exceptions, could be performed out of several differing facilities.
If the company were to relocate my function (and me) elsewhere the
cost considerations of housing, open space, schools, etc. would
still exist.
So many DEC employees have located in the area in question that
a discussion of "some type of facility" is well within reason. If
another area has the level of activity existing here, the workforce,
the agreeable city/town attitudes, etc. maybe that area should have
a topic of it's own.
The arguements for north central Mass. are far from singular to
me. They are, however, encompassing enough to include me. That's
who *I* am.
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452.21 | Clarification | FIDDLE::RAICHE | Color me RED | Thu Feb 04 1988 11:16 | 20 |
| RE: .19
The response .20 made the point very well as to the original
reason for this topic. No one is saying "only" expand in Mass,
my point is that if Mass is the choice for expansion why not
Northwestern Worcester County? I hope that also helps clarify
where we are coming from.
I am not complaining about my commute. I have been doing a
long commute for over seven years. I went from traveling to
Maynard (43 miles) to Concord ( 55 miles ). I love where I
live and work at DEC because I love it ( 15 years and not
going anywhere ) too, so I go where the jobs are and accept
the commute. All I am saying is that it would be real nice
if something were closer to me and "many" other DEC employees
now living out my way due to the cost of living. Given all
that, why put a new site in a horribly congested area of the
state?
Art
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452.22 | more on the mill in Athol | STUBBI::B_REINKE | where the sidewalk ends | Thu Feb 04 1988 12:43 | 17 |
| in re .9 I had heard the exact same rumor about the old
UTD mill in Athol. The story has gone around the town that
some (unnamed) business(s) had been interested but had decided
against it because of the problems resulting from the Union
and the long striked that helped to close the mill.
re .12 Indeed one of the major problems that the local chamber
of commerce has been working on in the Athol Orange area is the
bad phone lines. I believe that Athol still uses mechanical switches.
re .18 There is a large parking lot.
I live about 10 miles north of Athol and would love to have a
major high tech company (preferably Dec) locate a branch in
the Athol Orange area.
Bonnie
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452.23 | Believe it or not, we have inside plumbing too! | DISSRV::RAICHE | Color me RED | Thu Feb 04 1988 13:22 | 19 |
|
THe area we are addressing has two major electric power
transmission lines passing though it. One of tem goes right
through Athol into Orange, Barre and points South. I would
guess it would be fairly easy to tie into it (them).
Phones are another matter, that is unfortunately true. I
suspect the Athol Chamber of Commerce would love to see
DEC for that reason as well. DEC seems to be able to get
what they need when building a facility. An example is the
off-ramp (road) from 290 right to the driveway for the
Hudson facility. They agreed to build only after the state
agreed to the road. They are now working a similar issue in
Marlboro for an expansion there. I'll bet something could
be worked out. A large industrial user might be just the
economic incentive the phone company needs to improve the service
out that way?
Art
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452.24 | | COOKIE::WITHERS | SN*W is a 4-letter word! | Thu Feb 04 1988 14:30 | 8 |
| Well, according to yesterday's Gazette, Digital is looking to buy
about 150 acres
in northern El Paso County
in Colorado ... is that far enough outside I495? :-)
BobW
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452.25 | A bit far to commute! | FIDDLE::RAICHE | Color me RED | Fri Feb 05 1988 11:32 | 9 |
| Hi Bob,
Well, I was waiting for that :-) Actually I have visited CXO
and the place is beautiful, but not enough trees and green
for me. I just can't find a place as nice as New England.
Of course we have things like mosquitos while you have more
snakes!
Art
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452.26 | in town, not out | CNTROL::GANDARA | | Fri Feb 05 1988 12:38 | 21 |
|
re .24
I thought El Paso county was in Texas.
must two of em,
I would like to see Digital open a plant in Cambridge, around freshpond
or tech square.
Both places would attract a lot of quailifed people .
This way I wouldn't have to drive out to Hudson everyday, I could
sell my car, quit making car and insurance payments so I could afford
to buy in the area. Taking the T is much safer than having to drive
in that stuff we had yesterday.
It doesn't make sense to have a plant that you cant reach by public
transportation.
Rob
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452.27 | Re: Gadna | CUPOLA::HAKKARAINEN | I hear some noting downstairs | Fri Feb 05 1988 14:46 | 8 |
|
The stories circulating from the late 60s had it that Digital wanted to
locate in the Chair City, using on vacant land that is now the East
Gardner Industrial Park. The City, however, wouldn't give an
appropriate set of tax breaks for the siting. As a result, Digital
located in Westminster, just a few miles down the road, and the
industrial park was the home for woodchucks for the 1970s.
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452.28 | Cambridge will have a site | DENTON::AMARTIN | Alan H. Martin | Sat Feb 06 1988 09:53 | 4 |
| Re .26:
See topics 377 and 421 for information on DEC's Cambridge lab.
/AHM
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452.29 | Cambridge plant | PLDVAX::MORRISON | Bob M. LMO2/P41 296-5357 | Sun Feb 07 1988 15:54 | 11 |
| > It doesn't make sense to have a plant that you cant reach by public
> transportation.
Right on! This is the first time I have seen a comment like this in a notes
file other than Railroad. This is almost impossible near and outside I-495,
where there is no public transportation to speak of. But the LTN and CFO plants
can be reached by commuter rail.
The earlier notes don't have an address for the Cambridge plant, but it's in
the phone book. It is at Kendall Square, short walk from the red line station.
However, I don't think it's the kind of plant .26 had in mind. It is a research
center and I doubt that anyone without a PhD could get a job there.
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452.30 | And the price of eggs in Tibet is... | CSSE::BAIRD_2 | Eyes of Taxes are Upon You | Mon Feb 08 1988 11:05 | 50 |
|
<This Boony Boy's setting Low Flame On>
> It doesn't make sense to have a plant that you cant reach by public
> transportation.
When Public Transportation makes sense I'll consider it. But...
for that to happen some social engineer will have to figure out
how to make the public make sense!
> -< Cambridge plant >-
> Kendall Square
Gee, am I glad. But, since the topic is:
"DEC - Northwestern Worcester County?"
I fail to see the connection of yet another facility buried in the
morass of Boston being appropriate here.
<This Boony Boy's setting Flame Off>
***
So far this topic has produced, by my reckoning, the following:
In favor of Northwestern Worcester County:
A Digital employee population of some (undetermined) size.
Favorable attitudes of town officials toward DEC building.
(New administrations and agendas rendering past roadblocks
into mostly non-issues.)
A willing workforce to provide for staffing of unskilled and
semi-skilled positions.
A good quality of life environment in terms of clean air and
water.
In question in Northwestern Worcester County:
Support facilities and the potential for improvement.
(Electricity (?), telephone, roads, sewage treatment)
Public transportation to/from the area.
Not yet discussed is the type of facility that might be best
suited for location in the area. Any thoughts?
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452.31 | Cottage Industry Anyone?? | WRECKS::BLAKE | Learning Every Day, Growing All The Time | Mon Feb 08 1988 12:48 | 27 |
| re. .30:
The type of facility would, most likely, be engineering. The "work"
could be easily "communicated" via net and a helipad would facilitate
easy movement of people like product managers. In my experience,
customers don't spend alot of time with the *pure* engineering function
as much as base product marketing and product management.
Being in employemnt I see a large % of applicants from northern
and western parts of Worcester county asking the same question.
When I think about the Barre Wool mills (sewage, phone,etc all in
place) I wonder why not. I own land in New Braintree which I'd love
to build on, may anyway. The commute to MLO would be 58 miles one
way versus the 6 miles I am now doing, I am not a glutton for that
type of commute, not yet, anyway.
Just a thought: If you put your ear to the rail you'll hear noises
like "cottage" industry now and then. If AT&T, GTE, MCI do actually
upgrade their "nets", I could see individauls doing work from home
and meeting once or twice a week at some central point to discuss
progress, scheduels, etc. Think of the gasoline, alone, it would
save, the day care issue would virtually vanish...... I could see
the side of the debate that says the system would be abused, or
at least be a strong temptation, but I'd vote for a pilot pogram.
It would be easy to set up and easy to measure..... who knows???!!!
Bill who-left-his-heart-in-western-Massachusetts
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452.32 | "Cottage" | TSE::LEFEBVRE | Birth...School...Work...Death | Mon Feb 08 1988 14:58 | 5 |
| re .31...
Bill, not to go off on a tangent, but do you read Alvin Toffler?
Mark.
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452.33 | DIGITAL has it now! | CVG::THOMPSON | Famous Ex-Noter | Mon Feb 08 1988 15:13 | 8 |
| RE: .31 There is a notes conference dedicated to tele commuting.
It's at ALIEN::TELEWORK (or BEING::TELEWORK). There are some very
good stories about people who are working from home right now. DEC
does support telecommuting already. Not as often as we could but
perhaps now that VAXes cost so little there will be more of it soon.
Alfred
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452.34 | | ULTRA::SEKURSKI | | Mon Feb 08 1988 17:49 | 25 |
|
Back to power again... The towns with old wool mills probably
have very old power generating/distribution equipment that are
woefully outdated and never designed to provide the power
that modern day computer rooms suck up. The problem comes trying
to convince the local power company that DEC or some other company
with similar needs will generate enough profit to make the costly
upgrade worthwhile.
The wool mills were constructed probably before many, if any,
building regulations/codes were required so that many costly
renovations may be required before an occupancy permit will
be issued. Then there's increased traffic on local roads so
the town has to consider spending more money road upkeep. In order
for the town to do many of these upgrades it would have to raise
property taxes for which a majority of the residents maybe
oppossed to. DEC or any other hi-tech company would have it's
hands full with fulfilling mandatory regulations and renovations
it would probably be looking for a tax break so I'm not sure
how helpful the corporation would be in that position.
Mike
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452.35 | power in partic��ular not in general | STUBBI::B_REINKE | where the sidewalk ends | Mon Feb 08 1988 22:46 | 8 |
| The particular mill that has been underdiscussion here is a recently
closed tool manufacturing mill which had should not have had a power
problem. There is another mill next to it which has its' own generating
plant and there is a power grid right next to the plant.�
However, the author ��of .34 is correct in most cases. And this
note is showing some of the phone noise problems.
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452.36 | Barre Woolen Mill | FIDDLE::RAICHE | Color me RED | Tue Feb 09 1988 11:50 | 16 |
|
The question of the Barre Woolen Mill is an interesting one. I didn't
bring up the mill because of the problems mentioned in .34 and I
have commented about the road situation in Barre. The access,
especially for trucks, is terrible. I can't see DEC in that facility.
Coincidentally, I was talking to some Barre folks this weekend and
the topic of the MIll came up when we were discussing the sewer
system being installed in town. A resident who lives in South Barre,
which is the actual location of the mill, told me it has been purchased
by a local businessman and he is hoping to remodle it into a variety
of uses; supermarket, small shops and businesses and some rental
units or condominiums. It will be interesting to see what happens
to it.
Art
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452.37 | <Lunatic from Beverly> | CELICA::KNELSON | | Wed Feb 17 1988 16:58 | 8 |
| How about us loonies who live on the North Shore? I live in Beverly,
work in Concord, drive 128 every day (yes, I *am* loony), and enjoy
my job. Gossip has it that our group is supposed to move to Bolton
in 18 months to 2 years...I'll cross that bridge when I come to
it, of course, but it does give one pause to think...
BTW, we bought our house long before I joined DEC!
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452.38 | Bolton??? | ULTRA::HERBISON | Less functionality, more features | Thu Feb 18 1988 10:51 | 10 |
|
> Gossip has it that our group is supposed to move to Bolton
> in 18 months to 2 years...
Bolton doesn't sound right, it has highly restrictive zoning
laws and I can't see the town allowing a DEC facility. Could
the rumor be Boylston (the site of the future training facility)
or Lancaster (future MSB location)?
B.J.
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452.39 | Isn't the "T" Public Transportation?? | WELKIN::STRONACH | | Thu Feb 18 1988 14:49 | 7 |
| In response .26 --
But there is public transportation -- the "T" runs thru to Gardner from
Boston -- goes thru towns such Concord, Littleton, Ayr, Shirley, Leominster,
Fitchburg, etc. etc. :>)
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452.40 | M.A.R.T. makes the connection | CSSE::BAIRD_2 | Eyes of Taxes are Upon You | Thu Feb 18 1988 15:57 | 6 |
|
Re: -1
Close, but.... The 'T' stops at Fitchburg. It's a bus trip to Gardner.
J.T.B.
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452.41 | DEC in Bolton? | ANGORA::MORRISON | Bob M. LMO2/P41 296-5357 | Thu Feb 18 1988 16:17 | 6 |
| Re public transportation in northern Worc. County: Yes, it does exist but it's
very limited compared to what's available in Greater Boston. I'm not suggest-
ing that DEC should build plants closer to Boston to take advantage of public
transportation.
Re future DEC plant in Bolton: A plant is going up on the south side of 117,
0.2 mile west of I-495. Maybe that is where DEC is going.
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452.42 | | NAC::NOURSE | | Thu Feb 18 1988 19:36 | 25 |
| > If AT&T, GTE, MCI do actually upgrade their "nets"...
Hah!!!! In Bolton, not that far west, we don't even have touch-tone,
let alone equal access (or any access to GTE or MCI, "we don't serve
that exchange"). What we do have is an ancient mechanical phone
exchange and a 3-town local calling area. We also have lots of }}}}}}}}
and the ever-popular ~~~, rubouts sent to the system, and sometimes,
UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU (noisy line puts modem into test mode,
time to hang up). I have had better luck dialing up Littleton from San
Francisco than from Bolton. When we call long distance (everything)
we dial 1 and hear an earsplitting clunk followed by either HISSSSSSSS
or several more clunks and a dialtone back again (try again some
other time). My DEC modem does not recognize the dialtone in our
exchange as a dialtone, by the way.
Coming soon, eleven pulse-dialed digits to call Boston from Bolton.
When I complained to the phone company about the quality of the phone
service, the 'service representative' said, "If you want modern
telephone service you will have to move to a more urban location."
Now if that building that is being built right next door to me
(really) is for DEC, that may help convince the phone company
to upgrade the phone exchange here.
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452.43 | Changes in Bolton | ULTRA::HERBISON | Less functionality, more features | Fri Feb 19 1988 09:51 | 20 |
| Re: .12 & .42 (Phone service in Clinton and Bolton)
Both the Clinton and Bolton phone systems are scheduled for
some sort of conversion/update, Bolton on 26 February 1989
and Clinton on 3 November 1990. However, the customer service
representatives don't know what the conversion will involve
(and claim the exact change has not been determined yet).
Re: .41
> Re future DEC plant in Bolton: A plant is going up on the south side of 117,
> 0.2 mile west of I-495. Maybe that is where DEC is going.
No such luck. I called the Bolton Town Clerk's office to check.
The building is owned by Flatley and all 100,000 square feet are
leased to Yankee Atomic (a company based in Framingham). Some
representative from Yankee Atomic stopped by a few days ago to
introduce himself to the town officials.
B.J.
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452.44 | At some point in time.... | WRECKS::BLAKE | Learning Every Day, Growing All The Time | Fri Feb 19 1988 21:49 | 8 |
| re. .42:
You CHOSE to live in Bolton, clearly, based on average home prices
in Bolton, you had mega alternatives. .43 is correct, your phone
system will get upgraded soon. So relax, enjoy your ecology, your
Rebook and be patient.
Bill.
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452.45 | A bit of the real phone story | NAC::PLOUFF | LANsman Wes | Fri Feb 26 1988 00:41 | 22 |
| re: .last few
The phone company visited Bolton Selectmen's meetings twice in the
last few months. The planned upgrade is to carry local calls via
fiber to a huge exchange just north of Worcester. This new exchange
will apparently serve most of the small towns in the north part
of the county, while another in Auburn will handle the south part.
The small local exchange plants will disappear.
The Bolton exchange was installed in 1955, and the last local operators
left in 1958. I suspect that most of the smaller exchanges in
Worcester County were installed within a few years of those dates,
and New England Telephone has not exactly kept its capital spending
high in the interim.
Getting information not in the script from the phone company is
tough, but doable. Try talking to Community Relations types in
Worcester and Boston as a starting point.
Sorry to digress so far from the original topic, but it appears
that phone service will NOT be a strike against facilities outside
Rte. 495 after the next few years.
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452.46 | Mabel, get me Finnegan's hardware store, please! | COVERT::COVERT | John R. Covert | Fri Feb 26 1988 10:05 | 7 |
| > The Bolton exchange was installed in 1955, and the last local operators
> left in 1958.
BTW, what this doesn't mention: Up until then, Bolton, and most small towns
outside 128, had only "number-please" service, no dial telephones at all.
/john
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452.47 | Unofficial Scorecard Update | CSSE::BAIRD_2 | Eyes of Taxes are Upon You | Fri Feb 26 1988 12:48 | 39 |
|
Much better gang. So after the last 15 or so responses it seems
we have one less item in question and one more item in favor.
Baring any new questionable items, this would work out to about
60 or so more notes to make Northwestern Worcester County a very
hard place for Digital to overlook.
I reversed the order of my previous entry (.30) with this update and
in spite of my nature to be sarcastic, I really am more interested
in the drawbacks rather than the benefits.
************************************************************
So far this topic has produced, by my reckoning, the following:
In question in Northwestern Worcester County:
Support facilities and the potential for improvement.
o Electricity (?)
o Roads
o Sewage treatment
Public transportation to/from the area.
(Not yet discussed is the type of facility, beyond 'cottage,' that
might be best suited for location in the area. Any thoughts?)
In favor of Northwestern Worcester County:
A Digital employee population of some (undetermined) size.
Favorable attitudes of town officials toward DEC building.
(New administrations and agendas rendering past roadblocks
into mostly non-issues.)
A willing workforce to provide for staffing of unskilled and
semi-skilled positions.
A good quality of life environment in terms of clean air and
water.
>Quality phone service on a consistent basis is rapidly(?)
becoming a reality. (At least it's being worked.)
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452.48 | New sites!? | DISSRV::RAICHE | Color me RED | Mon Feb 29 1988 13:29 | 17 |
|
In case some of you haven't heard of some other buildings
going up, here are some I came to know about recently:
2 new buildings in Westford
1 new building in Maynard (like they really need another one)
1-2 in Chelsmford
MR4 in Marlboro
VRO6 (just moving people in)
Merrimack is building another
Littleton - another at LKG facility (seems like there is one on
every road in that town
I am sure there are more than this as well. Do you believe it?
Art
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452.49 | Another one | REGENT::GETTYS | Bob Gettys N1BRM 223-6897 | Mon Feb 29 1988 15:55 | 4 |
| And you missed the one in Littleton just across the
street from the LTN complex.
/s/ Bob
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