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Conference 7.286::digital

Title:The Digital way of working
Moderator:QUARK::LIONELON
Created:Fri Feb 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5321
Total number of notes:139771

354.0. "Parking Problems in Cities whilst on DEC Business" by STKHLM::OBERG () Wed Jul 29 1987 09:25

	Hello.

	My name is Anders �berg, and I work in FS Stockholm
	as Tapespecialist.

	My (and the rest of the FS people) have a big problem
	with parking. Digital in Sweden *NEVER* pay a ticket.
	No matter why You get it.

	A ticket in Sweden cost from ~$30 and up.

	Today have I looking/waiting for a parkplace i 2 hours,
	with the customer waiting.

	What shall I do if the DEC-service is timing out?

	The only way I know is, go back to the office and 
	order a cab. (Dec pay this) But I think this will be
	more then $30. 

	My question to the world is: How is the situation in
	other contrys? Must You pay yourself?

		All info. is welcome.

	Anders			:-)

	
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354.1Is there any other answer??REGENT::GETTYSBob Gettys N1BRMWed Jul 29 1987 10:1013
                I think the only proper answer to this is obvious.
                
                Digital would never condone breaking the law. If it
        wasn't against the law, you wouldn't get a ticket. Therefore a
        reasonable assumption is that you would be breaking the law.
        Thus Digital would not (and should not) pay your ticket. 
                
                In fact, if your vehicle or you are identifiable to the
        general public as being part of Digital, you would not be
        presenting the company in a good light. This would also be
        against Digital policy (or should be).
                
                /s/     Bob
354.2Next time just take the taxiCAADC::MANGUWed Jul 29 1987 11:128
    
    
    Perhaps you should just take a taxi for 2 good reasons. You don't
    have to spend 2 hrs looking for a parking spot and 2) you get there
    on time or closer to time. Besides you did say that DEC will pay
    for the taxi (even though it might cost more than the parking ticket).
    
    
354.3LESLIE::ANDYCSSE M.E. for Digital's OSI ProductsWed Jul 29 1987 12:178
    I would tell the customer that they must either provide you with
    a legitimate parking space or be prepared to wait until you can
    find one. If their need is excptional and they can't find you a
    parking space, then talk with your Unit Manager about charging Taxi
    costs to the customer.
    
    I'll bet they find somewhere you can park!
354.4Who is paying whom?2B::ZAHAREEMichael W. ZahareeWed Jul 29 1987 12:318
    re .3:
    
    Asking the customer to excuse being late for an appointment due to
    parking may be reasonable on the first visit to a site, but demanding
    they provide you a parking space is loosing sight of who is the
    customer.
    
    - M
354.5LESLIE::ANDYCSSE M.E. for Digital's OSI ProductsWed Jul 29 1987 12:536
    Mike
    	there are customers in the central areas of big cities. FS need
    to take their tools in somehow and I'd expect the customer to be
    aware of that and not expect us to break the law.
    
    Andy (In Ex-FS mode)
354.6Why break the law?TALLIS::ILESMike Iles - Advanced Vax DevelopmentWed Jul 29 1987 13:2122
    
    Theres never a need to break the law to fulfill a commitment to
    a customers contract. Public transport/taxis is the reasonable answer.
    
    FS in London has operated this way for years. They have contracted
    a cab company to take parts, tools and engineers around. Mostly
    the engineers take the public transport with a minimal tool kit
    and fulfill the response time. The cab company brings kits and extra
    stuff. Its the only way to do it, certainly in London.
    
    Mike (ex FS engineer, in London, for too_many_years)

    BTW, I also agree that Digital should not encourage the gathering
    of parking tickets by paying them. However I did get one once when
    a dire emergency required me to take out some parts to somebody
    else.
    
    My supervisor wouldn't authorise paying it, though he did suggest
    I took a good meal that evening, and he wasn't interested in seeing
    the receipt [ ;^) ]. I am NOT advocating that we run an organistion
    on this basis, just an interesting aside and a reflection on the
    way Digital works.
354.72B::ZAHAREEMichael W. ZahareeWed Jul 29 1987 13:255
    re .5:
    
    Er... right.  I forgot about all the tools.
    
    - M
354.8ZEN::WINSTONJeff Winston (Hudson, MA)Wed Jul 29 1987 23:403
I know nothing about the field - but I would think that most companies 
have routine provisions for welcome visitors (i.e., private lot, etc). 
Is asking to take advantage of these provisions unreasonable?
354.9COVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertThu Jul 30 1987 00:3314
>I would think that most companies have routine provisions for welcome visitors
>(i.e., private lot, etc). 

A small company in the middle of a large city?

I would think that the best thing to do the next time you get stuck is to park
in the nearest public parking lot (DEC will pay for that) and take a taxi the
two or three blocks necessary (DEC will pay for that, too).

The only parking ticket I got while in the field was a campus parking ticket
for parking in a staff slot.  I just sent it to the customer (a prof at the
University) and told him to take care of it.

/john
354.10><Do the **RIGHT THING** ><ODDSON::BOURNEDyslexia Lures KO!Thu Jul 30 1987 05:1224
    Re: Various..
    
    It is obvious that some of the replies to the base note are from
    people who have not faced the problem!(With the obvious exceptions)..
    
    It is unreasonable to expect any of the following:-
    
    1. A small customer in a big city who has NO parking even for staff
    to provide parking for the *occasional* service engineer.
    
    2. DEC to pay parking fines(as stated by several replies)
    
    3. Customers to wait beyond their contractual response time due
    to parking problems. (They don't cause the parking problems and
    we don't exclude parking problems in the contract)
    
    At the end of the day an engineer (I was one for 9 years) has to
    do the *right thing* and that depends on the circumstances. In the
    case of a possible missed response time then a taxi seems to me
    to be the right thing to do. This gets you to the customer on time
    saves wasted time looking for a parking space and solves the problem
    of the parking fine!
    
    Jim